VAR favouring top teams

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Premier League refs have always favoured the bigger clubs, that's where the money is.
not trying to start something here as i agree there is a bias (more being a devils advocate as i am intrigued in your argument’s logic)... but what interest do the FA/PL/referees have in ensuring the ‘big’ teams win week in week out? and why would money come into it?
 



not trying to start something here as i agree there is a bias (more being a devils advocate as i am intrigued in your argument’s logic)... but what interest do the FA/PL/referees have in ensuring the ‘big’ teams win week in week out? and why would money come into it?
Just much more profitable for the Liverpool, City, Man U, Chelsea etc to be winning football matches than Us, Bournemouth, Brighton etc.
 
Just much more profitable for the Liverpool, City, Man U, Chelsea etc to be winning football matches than Us, Bournemouth, Brighton etc.
im just wondering how its more profitable for the league for big teams to win? sure its profitable for big teams to be part of the league with tv revenues, but i cant see any revenue dropped this season because tottenham and arsenal are lower down the table? does this have much bearing on the revenue to the PL or FA?
 
What is the association with Leicester and pork?

Unless it's some kind of racist comment towards our high population of muslims?

The "pork" reference relates to our neighbours across the city, whom we call "Pigs."
They use the same derogatory term for us. Bit weird, but it is what it is.

It's likely you're being accused of being a Wednesday in disguise as you seem to have become quite a contrarian on the forum. I really enjoyed your contributions when talking about Leicester's recruitment, but you do seem to be getting sucked into some petty squabbles on here now.

On the VAR argument, we've had the most goals disallowed by VAR in the league (7/8ish) & have only had one major decision go our way. We've also been robbed by hawkeye & had a referee tackle one of our players for a goal at Man City. We genuinely have been on the end of some absolute stinkers this season.

Do I believe there's an institutional conspiracy? No. Do I believe individual officiators in the game are more scared of the high profile clubs & therefore have some sort of unconscious bias towards them. Yes, probably.
 
The "pork" reference relates to our neighbours across the city, whom we call "Pigs."
They use the same derogatory term for us. Bit weird, but it is what it is.

It's likely you're being accused of being a Wednesday in disguise as you seem to have become quite a contrarian on the forum. I really enjoyed your contributions when talking about Leicester's recruitment, but you do seem to be getting sucked into some petty squabbles on here now.

On the VAR argument, we've had the most goals disallowed by VAR in the league (7/8ish) & have only had one major decision go our way. We've also been robbed by hawkeye & had a referee tackle one of our players for a goal at Man City. We genuinely have been on the end of some absolute stinkers this season.

Do I believe there's an institutional conspiracy? No. Do I believe individual officiators in the game are more scared of the high profile clubs & therefore have some sort of unconscious bias towards them. Yes, probably.

I'd like to believe that my praise/agreement on certain topics has been at least equal to if not more so, the criticism/disagreements i've had.
It's possible to believe that Wilder and the club have done a terrific job, laying the foundations for a potentially very successful period for the club, but still be of the opinion that the decision and precedent set in the proceedings with West Ham are not something I believe in, but back to the main topic.....


With regards to VAR and 'Top club bias' in general, it is just an extension of the argument that the larger clubs in the country get more favorable decisions from institutions who are supposed be no neutral.....And based on what i've seen with my own eyes over the past few years of being in the Premier League, i've not witnessed it.
The worst refereeing performance i've seen involving ourselves and a larger club was our first game back at this level against Manchester United. Clattenburg may as well have been wearing a blue shirt in our 5-3 win over them, his decision for both our penalties and the red card for Blackett were very very questionable. The problem is that football fans, of all clubs, create a siege mentality with their own bias which makes the decisions that clearly go against them, as well as the ones which are more debatable/subjective, almost the same.
It's easy for me to sit here and claim we were robbed of a chance of 2 more points last night because we should have been awarded a penalty for an obvious handball the last kick of the game, or we should have had a point at Anfield if not for a dodgy penalty given right at the end of the game.....But it's far more difficult for me to recall a subjective incident which went in our favor.
Football fans would rather win 'unfairly', than lose 'fairly'.....There's an argument that many Sheffield United fans would love to win 1-0 at 'The pigs', with a 98th minute dodgy penalty, after being dominated for the 90+4 minutes of actual added time given, instead of a comfortable and deserved 2-0.

I think the 'Big club bias' which the media shows is a much more valid argument.....But also a different one.
I believe clubs like Manchester United/Liverpool generate a much larger amount of global TV revenue than Sheffield United/Leicester, but, all 4 of those clubs earn equal revenue.
There's an argument there that the 'smaller clubs' benefit more financially than they should....
But once again that argument is never put forward by the either of our clubs because it is not beneficial to themselves.
 
I‘m a bit old school as that aint handball in my book but the daft rules these days say it is.
My point is it wasn’t spotted in normal play, only picked up by VAR which is what you‘re all so against as you never benefit from it.

Why would you think that pointing out one time it went in our favour would change anyone's opinion on how bad VAR has been?

Overall it's left us worse off, but yes, against West Ham it went in our favour. On the other hand, it's a new rule that seems only to have been brought in to show off VAR.

VAR also went in our favour when Basham's red got overturned. It's still been shit. I'm not calling it a conspiracy against us, it's probably back luck as much as anything given some of the arbitrary decisions VAR makes, but it's been shit. It adds stoppages to the game, ruins goal celebrations, and so far we haven't seen any tangible benefit in terms of quality of decisions made. But if all you're here to do is point out that VAR has occasionally gone for us, there's no conversation to be had there. People already knew that before this thread and formed their opinions.
 
Can someone clear it up then,(re villa game ),if there is no signal from hawkeye,does that mean the ref can't give the goal in any circumstances?
 
On what grounds can you submit a FOI? That'd be one way of getting Hawkeye to show what they have/proof that it wasn't even turned on.
 
Can someone clear it up then,(re villa game ),if there is no signal from hawkeye,does that mean the ref can't give the goal in any circumstances?

If you read the VAR protocol on the Premier League website “VAR has a short window to view unseen incidents” which should cover the incident at Villa. No one in authority has said the incident is not covered under this heading (and if it weren’t then I am sure they would have said so.).

Also under that protocol it makes clear that rectifying “clear and obvious mistakes” only applies to referees’ subjective decisions. That’s why minuscule offside decisions don’t have to be clear and obvious. They are regarded as matters of fact......either a player is offside or he isn’t.

A millimetre either way doesn’t have to be clear and obvious cos it’s a fact. Not saying I agree with it. I don’t believe technology is that accurate but it is what the protocol says.
 

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