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Board / Club
Prince HRH Prince Abdullah bin Mosaad bin Abdulaziz Al Saud
Really hard to discuss him in some way as he is never here and we never hear from him but I have to give my analysis based on what the board (with him as the owner) have offered in the last 12 months. He does get a lot of criticism for not being here visibly and is pretty much a ‘silent’ owner. It is frustrating as we do not hear anything from anyone really and after the managerial changes, we do not even see or hear from the CEO Betis until a small statement right after the Forest defeat. Yusuf Giansirasuca was the acting chairman and he came to the press conference back in November but did say that we would never see anything from him or the Prince and he has been right! You kind of have no issues with no words if actions are being taken and there is clarity on our direction but do not get the sense, we see that. The last few months have been very quiet (aside from the takeover speculation which has not come from within the club) and you wonder day to day outside of Betis how much influence the Saudi Arabian contingent are having on decisions – maybe that is incorrect and they sign off on absolutely everything but the bizarre press conference suggested either that are not that bothered anymore to get actively involved in the day-to-day stuff (not major stuff) and/or their interests and commitments seem elsewhere. I do not get the sense there is the huge drive to get the club moving back in the right direction.
The lack of movement on facilities and key areas of the club suggest we are kind of treading water. I worry hugely if we fail to go up next season as then the cut backs come and you get the sense they may pull the plug if they could get a decent amount of cash for the club? I might be reading the room wrong but I think they have realised that to stay in the Premier League and all the cash that comes with it, you have to speculate to accumulate and maybe take some risks (Villa for instance). They have realised they probably do not have the money to have a proper go at it and maybe the Prince will just hope we can get up and have another few years to ensure he sees a more sizeable income coming in again?
Of course, suddenly the mood changed completely around Easter as we then we had all the rumours of a sale with both Ashley and an American Henry Mauriss were linked with the club but it was unclear how close either were and whilst the latter reportedly had a bid accepted, the Prince downplayed this saying there was a less than 50% chance of it happening. It does seem reading between the lines he is open to offers and getting out, whether that is just SUFC or the whole of his United World Group. We will wait to see what happens with this pone. You worry about any new owners and even though I am not sure we can move forward much with the Prince at the helm, there are worst fates that could await us so it is a quandary.
Going back to analysing the Prince for his efforts this last season is difficult. Firstly, in terms of on the pitch, we probably spent a fair bit on securing Jokanovic but then he did not back him with transfers really – albeit we did sign some expensive loans but maybe that was in reaction to the poor start. The strategy seemed to be to move away from the muck of nettles Wilder type approach and embrace a different style of play and maybe transfer strategy but then we did not follow it through and we almost gave up after only a few months and went back to the old approach. It seemed very muddled to me. You could argue we did not sign anyone but we did not sell many either, whether it was the lack of interest in our players and that only Arsenal put up decent money for Ramsdale, forcing our hand. However he kept hold of Berge and the rest of the squad and did put up a sizeable amount of wages for new players who will not have been cheap. There was the narrative we did not back Slav but maybe it should have been in the summer instead of late August or scrambling round to bring in new players after the season started? Davies, Hourihane, Gibbs White, Olsen etc will not have been cheap though.
We have recently had the accounts and from a financial perspective we seem to have made some smart decisions and the fact salaries have come down in accordance with relegation. The headline was we made a profit but surely you expect that after two years in the top flight. The worry over borrowing remains but most clubs do this and the TV money was the obvious thing to do wasn’t it? The biggest concern is what happens if/when we do not go up but that is the same for all Premier League clubs. I got the sense when the loan signings we signed did not see the big upturn, that is when he started pulling things back and the sort of signings we made (Davies, Goode, Uremovic etc) were more in line with Championship type wages I would reckon?
Off the field there is merits for discussing that we have not really build on the supposed things that Abdullah clearly had earmarked. It seems an age ago, that there was talk about possibly improvements to the ground but now other than minimal work to the visual look – any bigger work will surely now be on hold. I am not sure it is a priority. The stadium is fine for size – we did not even fill it some weeks in the top level (granted ticketing policy did not work). The Kop is tired and the facilities here are beyond basic but it is still a better ground than most at Championship level and I think any work here is now not a priority.
You cannot say the same about the training ground / Academy. A few years ago, we had rumours of a move to the Norton Aerodrome site as the current Academy is not big enough and for us to attain Category 1 status (more pitches/facilities/accommodation/changing/gym/pool/hydrotherapy etc) then we will have to move from the small and outdated Shirecliffe site which may seem new to some but we have been here for over 20 years now. It seems the Norton thing is dead in the water and Betis spoke about issues finding land. It has gone really cold on this and also with the training ground not having the improvements. We were supposed to have a temporary facility with a new two-storey building, comprising of a gym, training area, physiotherapy and hydrotherapy zones, as well as office facilities. The structure was to sit between the two existing buildings, on the perimeter of the current first team training pitches. You wonder now if it ever will happen? This has to be a priority really in terms of the facilities, training ground and getting the higher Academy status.
The current first team training ground and facilities are not really fit for purpose. We have 2 pitches and then a hut/old working man’s club that has been upgraded but the behind-the-scenes videos show how poor it is. There are some clubs at National League level with better facilities. It is embarrassing how bad it is and new players will surely not be impressed. We have heard we may level a few pitches off but that is nowhere near enough. The big praise is the academy and development teams though continue to impress despite the facilities and that is down to having the right coaches and recruitment in place down the levels so the board deserve some praise for those appointments and the work there.
Some cite the Prince extending the United World as being a negative of course and feel that this is funds that could be spent on us. Of course, many fans said the same about McCabe when he made forays abroad. We now have fairly small teams in India, Saudi Arabia, Belgium and now France. None of these are being very successful. Beerschot have got relegated with fans frustrated about the running of the club (a game was abandoned when many came on the pitch at the end of the season and it was rumoured due to the crowd trouble that Abdullah was considering his involvement) and the others are in such small regional or poor leagues. Of course, fans get frustrated when these clubs have announced plans for new facilities/training grounds. At the moment the benefit of the link has been non-existent to United in terms of on the pitch. Maybe in time we will see rewards but we never really did under McCabe’s links. People do forget that when we criticise the Prince and how we are operating.
The hotel is no nearer to being reopened and the Blades Enterprise Centre on the other side seems to lack occupancy. Both seem to be having to be maintained but with no cost coming in to us but maybe the cost of doing both facilities up and the losses we were making on them means there is little point? Maybe they get pulled down at some point?
I worry the overall direction of the club and the muddled managerial/playing staff moves in the last year or so does not give the sense of this clear plan with pillars, that they referred to last year. I think a change of ownership may be imminent but there is a lot of murky water and concerns with any change. Some say we just need anyone else who will invest more but others are more cautious. I always wonder why millionaire businessman want to get involved in second tier football clubs? They won’t make money (the Prince might ironically). What is their motive?
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The rest of the board are officially:
H.H. Prince Musa'ad bin Khalid Al Saud (Chairman)
Yusuf Giansiracusa. He seems more of an advisor than a ‘money man’. Specialising in representing clients and commercial and corporate transactions but he was a key man at the court case and often is seen with Abdullah and was also seen before in the meetings with Wilder. He seems like very much a key aide for the Prince. He was seen in some of the pictures when we were looking at the new training ground and after the Chairman resigned, he was put in the role of the acting chairman but he has been acting chairman now for over 18 months! Yet he said he would not be here and we would not see him. He was quite patronising or dismissive of the fans I felt when he spoke in November. He failed to realise that they have overseen the managerial changes, the poor signings and the decline of the club, not us! He seemed to suggest they had it all under control and it was all part of a bigger plan – everything we have done – which has changed quite a bit in 18 months. I am not convinced. Him disappearing and not being seen is a concern. Granted lots of businesses operate on conference calls these days but I am not sure other than Betis, McCarthy and Reeves, who runs things day to day. Seems a very small number to be in charge running the vast numbers of staff we employ and to have no board members present or there to oversee decisions day to day seems incredulous to me and smacks of them not being interested. Many (most) other clubs now have overseas ownership or involvement but normally you see some of them in the stands or they discuss matters related to the club, even if it not every week. Our set up seems bizarre to say the least. It seems like everything day to day would be done by Betis. Granted that may be the role of a CEO but not sure his remit is to do absolutely everything from signing off on transfers, to discussing tickets or issues with the training facility?
Jan Van Wincklel has been here a while now but we don’t actually know what he does still but his name and the supposed role he plays or may play has come into the limelight more due to the reports that we were supposedly looking for a Director of Football a few years ago? This has now seemingly changed with all football matters according to Giansirasuca being made by Heckingbottom? Van Winckel, who holds a UEFA Pro License was a technical expert for FIFA and led the Saudi Arabian football team, as chairman of the technical committee, to the World Cup in Russia. He also held several coaching jobs and was for several years the assistant manager to Marcelo Bielsa at Olympique de Marseille in France. I thought when Wilder went, they may put him in charge but then maybe the Prince knew that would have been a disastrous PR move at that time. He seems to be involved in meetings and conference calls and maybe the Verrips, Berge and the Coulibaly signings he had a role especially them all having Belgian/Dutch links? What I found odd was that after Wilder left why was not more involved in day-to-day matters or the managerial search but was alluded to as having a role when we named Jokanovic? He seemed like he had at least had football experience and a background/history rather than Bettis and the Prince. I have still to be convinced what he offers to the club or the group as we do not see us tapping into many overseas signings (granted the Uremovic one came out of the blue) or do we see or hear of him being involved day to day. Yet he remains on the board?
Princess Reem Bint Abdullah Al Saud I believe is the chairman’s wife and the Prince’s daughter? We don’t hear much from her or what her role is? Apparently, she is involved with the women’s team but we do not hear anything from her? She remains on the board.
Abdullah Alghamadi – works for a company called Amos holdings and is group CEO where Abdullah’s son also has a role. Alghamadi is Group CEO. He is listed also as a Financial and Investment Advisor as well as being a Sheffield United Board member and a Beerschot board member.
Board / Club
Prince HRH Prince Abdullah bin Mosaad bin Abdulaziz Al Saud
Really hard to discuss him in some way as he is never here and we never hear from him but I have to give my analysis based on what the board (with him as the owner) have offered in the last 12 months. He does get a lot of criticism for not being here visibly and is pretty much a ‘silent’ owner. It is frustrating as we do not hear anything from anyone really and after the managerial changes, we do not even see or hear from the CEO Betis until a small statement right after the Forest defeat. Yusuf Giansirasuca was the acting chairman and he came to the press conference back in November but did say that we would never see anything from him or the Prince and he has been right! You kind of have no issues with no words if actions are being taken and there is clarity on our direction but do not get the sense, we see that. The last few months have been very quiet (aside from the takeover speculation which has not come from within the club) and you wonder day to day outside of Betis how much influence the Saudi Arabian contingent are having on decisions – maybe that is incorrect and they sign off on absolutely everything but the bizarre press conference suggested either that are not that bothered anymore to get actively involved in the day-to-day stuff (not major stuff) and/or their interests and commitments seem elsewhere. I do not get the sense there is the huge drive to get the club moving back in the right direction.
The lack of movement on facilities and key areas of the club suggest we are kind of treading water. I worry hugely if we fail to go up next season as then the cut backs come and you get the sense they may pull the plug if they could get a decent amount of cash for the club? I might be reading the room wrong but I think they have realised that to stay in the Premier League and all the cash that comes with it, you have to speculate to accumulate and maybe take some risks (Villa for instance). They have realised they probably do not have the money to have a proper go at it and maybe the Prince will just hope we can get up and have another few years to ensure he sees a more sizeable income coming in again?
Of course, suddenly the mood changed completely around Easter as we then we had all the rumours of a sale with both Ashley and an American Henry Mauriss were linked with the club but it was unclear how close either were and whilst the latter reportedly had a bid accepted, the Prince downplayed this saying there was a less than 50% chance of it happening. It does seem reading between the lines he is open to offers and getting out, whether that is just SUFC or the whole of his United World Group. We will wait to see what happens with this pone. You worry about any new owners and even though I am not sure we can move forward much with the Prince at the helm, there are worst fates that could await us so it is a quandary.
Going back to analysing the Prince for his efforts this last season is difficult. Firstly, in terms of on the pitch, we probably spent a fair bit on securing Jokanovic but then he did not back him with transfers really – albeit we did sign some expensive loans but maybe that was in reaction to the poor start. The strategy seemed to be to move away from the muck of nettles Wilder type approach and embrace a different style of play and maybe transfer strategy but then we did not follow it through and we almost gave up after only a few months and went back to the old approach. It seemed very muddled to me. You could argue we did not sign anyone but we did not sell many either, whether it was the lack of interest in our players and that only Arsenal put up decent money for Ramsdale, forcing our hand. However he kept hold of Berge and the rest of the squad and did put up a sizeable amount of wages for new players who will not have been cheap. There was the narrative we did not back Slav but maybe it should have been in the summer instead of late August or scrambling round to bring in new players after the season started? Davies, Hourihane, Gibbs White, Olsen etc will not have been cheap though.
We have recently had the accounts and from a financial perspective we seem to have made some smart decisions and the fact salaries have come down in accordance with relegation. The headline was we made a profit but surely you expect that after two years in the top flight. The worry over borrowing remains but most clubs do this and the TV money was the obvious thing to do wasn’t it? The biggest concern is what happens if/when we do not go up but that is the same for all Premier League clubs. I got the sense when the loan signings we signed did not see the big upturn, that is when he started pulling things back and the sort of signings we made (Davies, Goode, Uremovic etc) were more in line with Championship type wages I would reckon?
Off the field there is merits for discussing that we have not really build on the supposed things that Abdullah clearly had earmarked. It seems an age ago, that there was talk about possibly improvements to the ground but now other than minimal work to the visual look – any bigger work will surely now be on hold. I am not sure it is a priority. The stadium is fine for size – we did not even fill it some weeks in the top level (granted ticketing policy did not work). The Kop is tired and the facilities here are beyond basic but it is still a better ground than most at Championship level and I think any work here is now not a priority.
You cannot say the same about the training ground / Academy. A few years ago, we had rumours of a move to the Norton Aerodrome site as the current Academy is not big enough and for us to attain Category 1 status (more pitches/facilities/accommodation/changing/gym/pool/hydrotherapy etc) then we will have to move from the small and outdated Shirecliffe site which may seem new to some but we have been here for over 20 years now. It seems the Norton thing is dead in the water and Betis spoke about issues finding land. It has gone really cold on this and also with the training ground not having the improvements. We were supposed to have a temporary facility with a new two-storey building, comprising of a gym, training area, physiotherapy and hydrotherapy zones, as well as office facilities. The structure was to sit between the two existing buildings, on the perimeter of the current first team training pitches. You wonder now if it ever will happen? This has to be a priority really in terms of the facilities, training ground and getting the higher Academy status.
The current first team training ground and facilities are not really fit for purpose. We have 2 pitches and then a hut/old working man’s club that has been upgraded but the behind-the-scenes videos show how poor it is. There are some clubs at National League level with better facilities. It is embarrassing how bad it is and new players will surely not be impressed. We have heard we may level a few pitches off but that is nowhere near enough. The big praise is the academy and development teams though continue to impress despite the facilities and that is down to having the right coaches and recruitment in place down the levels so the board deserve some praise for those appointments and the work there.
Some cite the Prince extending the United World as being a negative of course and feel that this is funds that could be spent on us. Of course, many fans said the same about McCabe when he made forays abroad. We now have fairly small teams in India, Saudi Arabia, Belgium and now France. None of these are being very successful. Beerschot have got relegated with fans frustrated about the running of the club (a game was abandoned when many came on the pitch at the end of the season and it was rumoured due to the crowd trouble that Abdullah was considering his involvement) and the others are in such small regional or poor leagues. Of course, fans get frustrated when these clubs have announced plans for new facilities/training grounds. At the moment the benefit of the link has been non-existent to United in terms of on the pitch. Maybe in time we will see rewards but we never really did under McCabe’s links. People do forget that when we criticise the Prince and how we are operating.
The hotel is no nearer to being reopened and the Blades Enterprise Centre on the other side seems to lack occupancy. Both seem to be having to be maintained but with no cost coming in to us but maybe the cost of doing both facilities up and the losses we were making on them means there is little point? Maybe they get pulled down at some point?
I worry the overall direction of the club and the muddled managerial/playing staff moves in the last year or so does not give the sense of this clear plan with pillars, that they referred to last year. I think a change of ownership may be imminent but there is a lot of murky water and concerns with any change. Some say we just need anyone else who will invest more but others are more cautious. I always wonder why millionaire businessman want to get involved in second tier football clubs? They won’t make money (the Prince might ironically). What is their motive?
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The rest of the board are officially:
- Yusuf Giansiracusa (Acting Chairman)
- Jan Van Winckel
- H.H. Prince Musa'ad bin Khalid Al Saud (Was Chairman – is he still on the board – I am guessing not?)
- Princess Reem Bint Abdullah Al Saud (assume she is still on the board)
- Abdullah Alghamdi
H.H. Prince Musa'ad bin Khalid Al Saud (Chairman)
Yusuf Giansiracusa. He seems more of an advisor than a ‘money man’. Specialising in representing clients and commercial and corporate transactions but he was a key man at the court case and often is seen with Abdullah and was also seen before in the meetings with Wilder. He seems like very much a key aide for the Prince. He was seen in some of the pictures when we were looking at the new training ground and after the Chairman resigned, he was put in the role of the acting chairman but he has been acting chairman now for over 18 months! Yet he said he would not be here and we would not see him. He was quite patronising or dismissive of the fans I felt when he spoke in November. He failed to realise that they have overseen the managerial changes, the poor signings and the decline of the club, not us! He seemed to suggest they had it all under control and it was all part of a bigger plan – everything we have done – which has changed quite a bit in 18 months. I am not convinced. Him disappearing and not being seen is a concern. Granted lots of businesses operate on conference calls these days but I am not sure other than Betis, McCarthy and Reeves, who runs things day to day. Seems a very small number to be in charge running the vast numbers of staff we employ and to have no board members present or there to oversee decisions day to day seems incredulous to me and smacks of them not being interested. Many (most) other clubs now have overseas ownership or involvement but normally you see some of them in the stands or they discuss matters related to the club, even if it not every week. Our set up seems bizarre to say the least. It seems like everything day to day would be done by Betis. Granted that may be the role of a CEO but not sure his remit is to do absolutely everything from signing off on transfers, to discussing tickets or issues with the training facility?
Jan Van Wincklel has been here a while now but we don’t actually know what he does still but his name and the supposed role he plays or may play has come into the limelight more due to the reports that we were supposedly looking for a Director of Football a few years ago? This has now seemingly changed with all football matters according to Giansirasuca being made by Heckingbottom? Van Winckel, who holds a UEFA Pro License was a technical expert for FIFA and led the Saudi Arabian football team, as chairman of the technical committee, to the World Cup in Russia. He also held several coaching jobs and was for several years the assistant manager to Marcelo Bielsa at Olympique de Marseille in France. I thought when Wilder went, they may put him in charge but then maybe the Prince knew that would have been a disastrous PR move at that time. He seems to be involved in meetings and conference calls and maybe the Verrips, Berge and the Coulibaly signings he had a role especially them all having Belgian/Dutch links? What I found odd was that after Wilder left why was not more involved in day-to-day matters or the managerial search but was alluded to as having a role when we named Jokanovic? He seemed like he had at least had football experience and a background/history rather than Bettis and the Prince. I have still to be convinced what he offers to the club or the group as we do not see us tapping into many overseas signings (granted the Uremovic one came out of the blue) or do we see or hear of him being involved day to day. Yet he remains on the board?
Princess Reem Bint Abdullah Al Saud I believe is the chairman’s wife and the Prince’s daughter? We don’t hear much from her or what her role is? Apparently, she is involved with the women’s team but we do not hear anything from her? She remains on the board.
Abdullah Alghamadi – works for a company called Amos holdings and is group CEO where Abdullah’s son also has a role. Alghamadi is Group CEO. He is listed also as a Financial and Investment Advisor as well as being a Sheffield United Board member and a Beerschot board member.