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Finally Sheffield United got back to winning ways with their first victory since the opening day of the season. United saw off 10 man Port Vale after former Owl Daniel Jones had been sent off for two bookable offences. United went ahead through a Neil Collins header but the Blades should have been out of sight long before Vale levelled just before half time with a freak cross from Yates ending in George Long’s goal. In the second half United struggled to create as many opportunities but gradually they were able to apply more pressure and skipper Michael Doyle scored from a shot from the edge of the box to restore the lead. After this United were able to see things out and in doing do get off the bottom of the league table.

Acting manager, Chris Morgan, made changes from the side that finished so well at Sixfields after starting so poorly. In came two goal Lyle Taylor and Stephen McGinn with Tony McMahon restored at right back. Jose Baxter was out with an injury and there was no place in the match day squad for Ryan Hall. Joining Westlake, Coady, Howard, Lappin and Cuvelier on the bench was fit again Shaun Miller.

Port Vale’s management team was led by former Blades Micky Adams and Robert Page. Vale included the prolific Tom Pope alongside the veteran Lee Hughes. Robertson and Lines both with Sheffield connections also started.

The game began with United starting with a 4-4-2 with Taylor partnering King. United were very much on the offensive and Taylor nearly got on the end of a Collins knock down and then a raft of free kicks and corners saw a number of half chances. Vale had been penalised for a series of offences that led free kicks but Taylor and McMahon twice could not test Neal. Maguire headed wide from a dangerous cross from McGinn. United had been very active in the final third and had penned Vale back who were struggling to keep the score level. The pace of the attacks was far quicker than
anything we had seen this season with Brandy and Flynn seeing plenty of the ball.

Eventually the deserved lead came when from a corner kick, the ball bounced around before Collins nodded down and eventually after it bounced through a body of players into the corner via a post. It was a scrappy goal but one United merited and saw COLLINS join Maguire on two goals for the season.

United were dominating and Brandy’s trickery and low sense of gravity was causing all sorts of problems and the winger jinked and then curled just over. Vale had not been in the game at all Loft had a rare chance but was a long way off target. The visitors struggles to get any kind of foot hold in the game was punctuated by a series of fouls and bookings and Jones after already being booked brought down Flynn rather cynically. The second yellow was not a surprise and he trooped off putting Vale in a real hole. Vale’s total lack of professionalism carried on as Myrie Williams was taken off and had a slanging match with manager Adams in full view of the South Stand. Soon after
Robertson and Pope clashed with each other and were very fortunate to escape yellow cards. It seemed Vale were the team at the bottom of the league rather than United such was the disarray they were in.

United could not get the second goal despite lots more play in and around the box with Neal looking uncomfortable as he pushed away a speculative effort from Maguire. Then soon after nice link up play involving Hill led to a chance for Taylor but Neal saved from close range. Vale did create a chance when Pope got in but he could not repeat the feat of last season and shot wide after holding off Collins.

United were back on the attack and Flynn fed Taylor whose shot was blocked and drifted out for a corner and then Collins finish from the subsequent corner lacked power and Neal held.
United had been in total control but were stunned just before the break. McMahon was remonstrating over a decision and let YATES receive a quick free kick but the full backs speculative cross was never intended as any kind of shot as it drifted into the far corner of the goal.

The half time whistle was greeted with appreciation from the United crowd despite the late sickener.
After the break United began with a couple of opportunities as Taylor struck a low free kick just wide before Flynn’s effort lacked power to beat Neal. Despite these early chances the game was more even in the opening to the second half and Vale forced a trio of corners as they seemed to be adapting to their numerical disadvantage better. Doyle and McMahon fired badly over before Miller was introduced for King to a large ovation from the home crowd. Hill had a long ranger over as United were now struggling to create meaningful chances.

Vale were more of a threat on the break and another corner saw Robertson head over. The game was drifting into the final 15 minutes when finally United got back in front. Flynn who had been busy second half was involved and eventually the ball found DOYLE who took a touch and drilled low past Neal into the corner.

United had a series of chances to seal the game with McMahon’s low effort parried away rather uncomfortably before Flynn took too long before being denied by the keeper. Then Miller was denied a returning goal as his finish one on one was saved by Neal after good work from Collins.
Westlake came on for Flynn to give United a bit more defensive protection and then Coady replaced Brandy. As the game entered stoppage time, a long ball into the box was cleared by Maguire after Long could not claim and then Coady had an opportunity to seal it but Neal saved again. The final whistle came soon after and United could celebrate that winning feeling again.

United – It was much better today. We began well and created more chances, played higher up the field and were pressing and more committed. The tempo of the game was significantly higher than we have seen since the opening day win. The first half was really good as we pressed Vale back and really forced the initiative with the pace of our attacks at times relentless even if the final ball and chances created were not always clear cut.

I felt at times we made poor decisions in the final third and really should have been more clinical. I had a feeling poor crosses/finishing would cost us and they got level. After this I felt we were not as good and the frail confidence of the side was shown again as the second half was more even and United struggled to get into the vital areas and create as many chances. Despite this over the course of the game Neal must have made 9 or 10 saves (many may have been routine). We had 17 efforts with 9 on target which is significantly more than we have had in most if not all games this season.

It was nice just to see some action and chances. We were not brilliant and at times some of the play and final decisions were really poor. The opposition were woeful much of the game and should have been beaten easily but hung around and got a lucky goal. After this we became more like the poor, clueless side without ideas that we have seen much of the season but got the winner. It was not scintillating but overall a better performance and at least you could say it was a game with things happening and some excitement of some note. We were better and we won. In short this was an improvement and something to build on.

After we went one up and they had the red card; I felt we should have gone on to win convincingly but it became a real struggle after they levelled and the side struggled to get beyond the ten men who packed the middle of the field. When we got it wide we did not get beyond and crossed from way too deep and it meant we kind of become restricted to long range shooting. It was the sort of game Baxter or maybe Cuvelier could have made a difference in terms of threading the needle as it was left to Flynn out wide, Brandy trying to create chances or long rangers from Doyle. I was concerned the game might peter out or even worse the way the season has gone, for Vale to nick it on the break. The second half became scrappy and I was pleased Miller came on to give us a lift. He looked busy but we still were not creating many clear chances. The goal was a real relief when it came and as poor as Doyle had been at least he kept taking responsibility and trying not to hide.

Hopefully now some confidence will be restored. Miller back is a boost and gives some competition. With McGinn improving the midfield, and Baxter, Coady and Cuvelier not starting we may have some completion finally. King needs to get fit as he won’t be much of a factor if he plays like he has the last two games. He has looked slow and disinterested. The full backs are still a concern both defensively and going forward but at least the centre backs were better today (albeit against two slow and immobile players – Peterborough will give much more of a threat in the week with power and pace akin to Coventry’s front two). Nice to get off the bottom and hopefully something to build on but we have a really tough game in the week. Anything we get is a bonus. By next Saturday we hopefully will have the new manager in. All signs still point to it being Clough (watched next Saturday’s opponents yesterday) but it does need to be sorted sooner rather than later preferably.
 

Port Vale – Thought they were a really poor side. I felt this last year in the cup and today I saw nothing different. Of course they are higher in the league and have had a better start but as pessimistic as I am; I would be flabbergasted if we finished below them despite Adams comments about us being a poor side. If we are poor then I am not sure what that makes them. In fact I will put my neck on the line as say I think they may go down. They were not only poor in general play (even before the red card we dominated) but they were totally undisciplined with players arguing with manager/coaches and each other! However they must have been doing something right so far this season. I look at their side and as bad as some of our players are; they are a real mixed bag of journeyman and lower division players with no real stand outs. Pope scored a lot of goals but was quiet today. Hughes will always nick the odd goal but looks nearly done and spends most of the game complaining and trying to referee. They had a number of big, robust players that often were overly aggressive but this approach has worked for them, to get promotion and be mid way in the league so far. The keeper made a number of saves, some decent, most you would expect to save but never looked totally convincing and his handling was not the best. He was left badly exposed though and if United had been 3 up at half time you could not have argued.

Fair play second half as they re grouped and actually made a real game of it and had a few half chances and corners. They maybe thought they had done enough as they restricted our chances but the goal came and was fair on reflection of the whole game. If they had taken a point it would have been undeserved after they had been given a working over first half. The goal was also incredibly fortunate and maybe they only real shot on target they had all game (stats said 3 but I can’t remember the other two?).

Long 6/10 – I heard a few people blame him for the goal but not sure what he could have done. It went right into the top corner and I felt he had little chance. In the rest of the game he did not have that much to do. Second half he bizarrely went with his feet when he could have caught and a few other less than convincing punch attempts meant like his counterpart Neal, he did not have his most comfortable afternoon albeit it he was the least troubled of the two.

McMahon 5.5/10 – A really frustrating player to say the least. Quite hard to like him as he really is a niggly so and so who spends more time moaning and complaining than just playing football. On the goal he was arguing when they got it and scored. Second half he too was guilty of trying to wind up the man rather than get on with the game. His free kicks were not of usual standard today and he also was wasteful when he did get in forward positions and often made the wrong decisions or put in poor crosses/shots. Sadly for all above he is still preferable to Westlake.

Hill 6/10 – As above he kind of starts by default as all the other left backs are even worse! He is clumsy and poor in possession. When he does go forward he is very predictable and he often puts the same high, flighted cross in that often drifts away or straight into the keepers hands. He did ok defensively and I suppose at least he did get forward and try and support the attack. He was better than last week.

Maguire 7/10 – He was better today but obviously playing against a much weaker forward line than Coventry’s. He was on the front foot and I felt both him and Collins attacked the ball more and were not waiting. I will temper any praise with the obvious fact they only had 1 direct up top for long spells so did not have to play much but it was nice that he came out and tried to attack. He had 2 or 3 efforts on goal today.

Collins 7/10 – Scored a header; albeit scrappy but he got it on target which of course all you can ask. His defensive player, like Maguire’s was far better as United were on the front foot and he was a big part of that as he came out of defence, won the first ball and was generally more dominating than he has been all season.

Doyle 5.5/10 – I felt he was pretty abject most of the game. Misplaced passes, bad touches and some awful shooting. He then scored and everything was forgotten! He had a number of sighters to score but was nowhere near on most until he finally kept one down. He got the winner so his mark moves up slightly but it did mask another poor performance really. I would have actually taken him off as we needed more attacking impetus (maybe brought Coady on) but then he scored! He seemed to have a bit of a go at the crowd by cupping his ears as he celebrated after a few groans at his poor play earlier in the game. His shooting up to that point had been shocking but I suppose he at least kept having a go!

Flynn 6.5/10 - He was busy throughout and I felt at least tried to be a threat even if his final product often petered out. Still came inside too often. To be fair in the second half he saw a lot of the ball and got down the wing a lot. His choices when he got into good positions were not the best with some poor crosses and weak shots punctuating some decent build up work. At least second half he was lively and did get on the ball and try and make something happen.

McGinn 7/10 – I quite like him. He is neat and tidy and generally keeps the ball well. I know he had a poor game at Brentford but after his decent game v Notts County, I think he has been very unfortunate to not get more starts in such a poor team/season so far. His corners were a mixed bag today and most were poor (after saying how good they were last week) with many not beating first man.

Brandy 7.5/10- He was a threat all game with his close control and trickery. His final product was not always the best and that is one knock on his game. It has been an issue all season as he has rarely made a goal or scored one. Also he seems to struggle to stay on his feet (sometimes diving ridiculously and other times his boots seemed like ice skates) – his choice of studs was clearly wrong.

King 3/10 – Thought he was our worst player today and never in the game. The ball did not stick at all and he looked slow and disinterested. He looks way off the pace and is clearly unfit. He could have gone off a long time before he did. Needs to sharpen up as Miller now will be banging on the door for a start.

Taylor 7/10 – Unlike King he put lots and lots of effort in. He never hides and does work extremely hard. He had a few half chances and at times his touch was mixed but he will probably get some goals just through sheer effort and persistence. He does not to get physically stronger though as often gets pushed out of it a little too easily.

Subs

Miller – Looked busy. Needs more games of course. Should have scored with a good chance but keeper saved well. Linked well with others. Hopefully start on Tuesday.

Westlake – Came on at end to protect right hand side.

Coady – Had one chance at death as he came on in stoppage time.

Morgan rating 7/10 – He brought in Taylor and McGinn after they changed the game last week and he made sure we were at it from the off today. There was a huge difference between the game last week where we were on the defensive at the beginning. Morgan made sure we were on the front foot and faced with lesser pace he made sure each compartment of the team played 5-10 yards higher up. We pressed more and were generally more urgent and showed greater desire. After we went one up and they had the red card; I felt we should have gone on to win more but

Officials – Referee: Tim Robinson. Not easiest game to referee due to a number of niggly fouls and some that were more than niggly and quite cynical. The red card for me was obvious. He had already been booked rightly and then the second he dragged his boot down Flynn’s calf. It was moronic so early in the game and made a hard job even harder. Vale fans mocked some of his decisions and whilst they could maybe query a few of them a lot of them were right. In short Vale were filthy most of the game. I heard many around me refer to them as a ‘set of animals’ such was their overly physical approach. They were the same last year in the cup and they got three (four with red) bookings and should have been many more. Hughes was taken off before he was sent off.

Crowd/Atmosphere – The crowd was boosted a little (not by as much as the club maybe would have hoped) by the season ticket offer. Vale brought around a 1,000 fans which was considerably less than last year in the cup but they were quite noisy (although many outside seemed a little worse for wear and almost spoiling for a scrap – same as last year – do they have a known ‘hooligan’ following amongst them?). It was a better atmosphere than it has been with the negativity of games when Weir was here; especially towards the end of the tenure; removed. The crowd just seemed buoyed by seeing some passion and chances. The football as not brilliant but we actually had lots of attacks and some chances. That was more than we had seen. Second half things became a bit nervy as poor decisions and choices led to some frustration but overall the crowd were supportive and tried to will United to victory.
 
marks about right , thought doyle was more a 6.5 than 5.5 as he was nt as bad as usual , King was abject and needs replacing immediately , Collins was happy not to be confronting the pace he looked so weak against coventry with , McMahon , had left his shooting boots on the dressing room peg and his passing boots and his tackling boots
 
Good stuff Deadbat.

My own thoughts:

While United deserved the victory, we made it far to hard to hard for ourselves in a number of ways. In the first half, we bossed the game, got the breakthrough and had the luck with the ref seemingly giving us everything. We had four free kicks in shooting range, the best of which resulted in the 'Keeper picking up a daisy cutter, and of course the Vale player got himself stupidly sent off with a shocking tackle for someone already one a booking. Yet for all that we contrived to go in at Half Time level. The team completely switched off (McMahon should be fined a week's wages every time he loses the ball or his man due to complaining to the officials) allowing what was admittedly a fluke goal to give Vale the equaliser. Unbelievable, even after nearly everything went our way we still couldn't stay ahead!

The second half started poorly but Morgan made the right changes. Miller got a fantastic reception, which was nice and he soon repaid the crowd with his fantastic intelligent movement. I think you were a bit unfair DB when you said we still didn't make many chances. After Doyle put us in front, Miller had his one on one which normally he'd have scored, he got in down the right and had his cross turned away by the 'Keeper's leg, Doyle should have had another very similar to the one he scored but took an age to bring it down and of course Coady missed that late one on one.

A few notes on some the players, it was a joy to watch both Collins and Maguire bring the ball forward. Just after we scored the first, Maguire wonderfully beat his man and slipped in I think McMahon down the right, but no-one was in the box to attack his cross. Collins also went on a few runs in the second half, driving their entire team back. Against stronger teams with quicker forwards these forages might get punished but it was great to see them. Flynn as we all know has some big limitations, his inability to skin a man being chief among them, however he can be excellent at driving into space as shown with the second goal, carrying the ball a good distance, exchanging passes with McMahon and playing it into Doyle. I thought he had a good second half generally.McMahon looked much better second half, often flying down the wing to give Flynn an option outside. He needs to do this more often. Doyle clearly has a decent shot in him (yesterday, Burton, that cracker at Rochdale) but all too often shoots when he's off balance or isn't set right. When he has time to compose himself he can be a real danger, so don't just swipe at it Michael!
 
Decent report, a couple of harsh marks in there. Overall very pleased with yesterday, we looked more up for it and showed a lot more urgency in our general play. Despite a well taken goal I still don't feel Doyle does enough as a Captain and I would be looking to play a different pairing in the middle. I'm also not a big fan of Flynn although he did ok yesterday and does work hard. I would personally like to see this:-

Long
McMahon Maguire Collins Hill
Brandy Coady McGinn Cuvelier
King Taylor

Throw Miller and Baxter into the equation and you have some options.
 
I think it's just good to finally register a win. They played about as good as they have done the past few games, though there was certainly more forward movement. Maguire, Doyle and Flynn all had a good game, from what I saw. Vale never had much going forward and we should've probably put the game to bed before the hour mark, but at this stage a win is massive. Lots of room for improvement, but it's a step in the right direction.
 
Get rid of King, put Miller in and we have a chance of a few goals. King is not as bad as Porter, Beattie, etc but he is bad.
Doyle was poor yesterday and he only contributed the excellent goal. Morgan got the poor side playing moderately well.
They went soft on Vale after the dismissal of the ex pig, and inevitably Vale scored.
We should have had 5 goals and been out of sight by half time.
Still we have massive problems and again no striker scored, but I am happy for the 1st time since notts county match.
Well done Morgan , it is an improvement.
 
hes only of use if hes prepared to look interested

I really didn't see a lack of interest personally. Nothing really fell his way and when he tried one or two things they didn't come off. Just an average display for him on the day and not one of his better games. Think your view is a bit harsh but you're entitled of course.
 
Thanks Deadbat, great report as usual but I think you are hard on Flynn. The best player on the pitch yesterday, involved in almost everything we did. Took advantage of the weak opposition but you can only play the team they put out, however useless. Peterborough will be a big test for all of them, especially our dodgy back four.
 
Agree with the above, thought Flynn was one of the best players, certainly better than Brandy. He get a lot of stick last year despite getting, I think, the most assists. He was certainly better than Brandy yesterday, he is often all front and lacks substance but obviously has something good. If Flynn and McMahon can get a good understanding then working down the right could be a good move for us. Brandy drifted in far too much and I'd like to see a left footed/both footed player down the left or at least someone who has a good shot cutting in.
 
Interesting opinions on Flynn. On other message boards many said he was garbage. I was somewhere in between. He saw a lot of the ball and technically assisted on the winner with a sideways pass to Doyle. However he had umpteen chances to get decent balls in, attack the full back or get shots in and I cannot recall one good cross or shot. He had a few bobbled efforts both crossing and shooting and often came back inside or he and McMahon did not take advantage of clear 2 on 1's down that side. He was involved a lot but when he got the ball I cannot recall many great runs at the full back, good balls in. He sort of jogged along, played it to McMahon and then it went back inside. There was only once he went towards the line/goal and he had that really weak shot that was saved quite comfortably.

He was ok but against ten you would expect more of a threat down the flanks. I always felt Brandy would do more and they knew this as they still often doubled up on him. Flynn was often against 1 or even no players and still could not really penetrate.
 

I'd argue it was more than a 'technical' assist for Doyle's goal, Flynn set up the entire move by picking the ball up deep and driving forward. On the TV highlights it looks like Flynn just received it from McMahon and played it square to Doyle but of course Flynn had carried it a long way before and passed it into McMahon.
 
Interesting opinions on Flynn. On other message boards many said he was garbage. I was somewhere in between. He saw a lot of the ball and technically assisted on the winner with a sideways pass to Doyle. However he had umpteen chances to get decent balls in, attack the full back or get shots in and I cannot recall one good cross or shot. He had a few bobbled efforts both crossing and shooting and often came back inside or he and McMahon did not take advantage of clear 2 on 1's down that side. He was involved a lot but when he got the ball I cannot recall many great runs at the full back, good balls in. He sort of jogged along, played it to McMahon and then it went back inside. There was only once he went towards the line/goal and he had that really weak shot that was saved quite comfortably.

He was ok but against ten you would expect more of a threat down the flanks. I always felt Brandy would do more and they knew this as they still often doubled up on him. Flynn was often against 1 or even no players and still could not really penetrate.


Flynn needs much more upper body strength.

He is weak and get eased off the ball too much for my liking.

Get him pumping iron and see what difference that makes.
 
He saw a lot of the ball and technically assisted on the winner with a sideways pass to Doyle.

Still unbelievably blinkered with Flynn, I see. He ran virtually the length of the pitch to set up that goal and you dub it a "sideways pass" and say that "technically" it was an assist. Good grief.

I suppose crosses into the box are just sideways passes, aren't they?
 
I thought the main difference in the performance was that we were slightly more direct, played at a higher tempo and pressed them a bit more. I didn't think we were that good to be honest but we created a few chances and I reckon people are getting overly excited because we haven't seen that for a while!

Let's face it, they were poor and we made it very difficult for ourselves rather than them making it difficult for us with 10 men. Yes, it was a fluke goal that we conceded but we switched off and got caught out by the quick free kick that lead to it.

I thought Flynn had a good game, and his work for the second goal was excellent. He is weak physically but I think he needs to have more conviction when he's running with the ball. He's not THAT fast, but he's quicker than alot of defenders in this league and should try to take advantage of that more often.

The 3 points was all that mattered though with a tough game tomorrow night. But, if we can start picking up points at home we should start to climb into mid-table. The sooner a new permanent manager is appointed the better, but I don't think Morgan should be the man. He's good to have at the club but he has alot to learn before he can have a crack at a full time manager's job for me. He makes us more hard working but we don't have a great shape, which is why we've struggled away whilst he's been caretaker.
 
Agree with the above, thought Flynn was one of the best players, certainly better than Brandy. He get a lot of stick last year despite getting, I think, the most assists. He was certainly better than Brandy yesterday, he is often all front and lacks substance but obviously has something good. If Flynn and McMahon can get a good understanding then working down the right could be a good move for us. Brandy drifted in far too much and I'd like to see a left footed/both footed player down the left or at least someone who has a good shot cutting in.

This is a joke, right? Can't believe you were at the same game as me.
 
No one's mentioned Neil Collins as our stand out player? I thought he was virtually faultless on Saturday and had a fresh determination about his play. Carried the ball forward well (as did Harry M) and dealt with Pope comfortably, (again, as did Maguire). Maguire was much improved and both are clearly at ease marking the more physical forwards.
Hill is a player I have much time for as he shows that attitude can cover for shortfalls, one of the first names on the team sheet if fit.
Doyle? No secret that I like this bloke for similar reasons to Hill, can never understand the 'crap captain' and 'hides' jibes? Michael Doyle is just not the sort of player to hide in any situation, again a must in the team and anyone favouring a Coady?McGinn axis aren't quite with it when it comes to the minefield in central midfield in Div 1!
Marlon King's attitude was appalling imo on Saturday, he's taking the piss at the moment.
 
This is a joke, right? Can't believe you were at the same game as me.
No Flynn tracked better, got an assist, got a man sent off, and gave his full back an option. Brandy is good, probably better than Flynn, but not on Saturday. He drifted in far too much, never went past his man, as Flynn is often criticised for, and rarely made an impact. It's not all his fault, I think we need to get it to him higher up the pitch, I think I saw him play in a front 3 for Walsall.
 
I, like a lot I guess, prefer a proper winger to the modern wrong winger which Is why when fit I think McFadzean should play. Get down the wing and get a ball in, not necessarily a big looping cross as we haven't exactly got target men but just getting the ball in the box is bound to create goals eventually.
 
No one's mentioned Neil Collins as our stand out player? I thought he was virtually faultless on Saturday and had a fresh determination about his play. Carried the ball forward well (as did Harry M) and dealt with Pope comfortably, (again, as did Maguire). Maguire was much improved and both are clearly at ease marking the more physical forwards.

Agreed - Collins was outstanding & Maguire did well too - but whenever they come up against pace they struggle. Not many teams are as slow as Port Vale...apart from us, obviously....
 
Agreed - Collins was outstanding & Maguire did well too - but whenever they come up against pace they struggle. Not many teams are as slow as Port Vale...apart from us, obviously....

True, but you can deal with pace through good organisation. Against Coventry (first half) we were all over the place, distance between players all wrong, losing challenges and giving them too much space to play in.
 
Still unbelievably blinkered with Flynn, I see. He ran virtually the length of the pitch to set up that goal and you dub it a "sideways pass" and say that "technically" it was an assist. Good grief.

I suppose crosses into the box are just sideways passes, aren't they?

I've also been critical of Flynn, but agree he had a pretty good game despite them trying to bully him.
 
True, but you can deal with pace through good organisation. Against Coventry (first half) we were all over the place, distance between players all wrong, losing challenges and giving them too much space to play in.

Agreed. You can combat anything if you know how. Good coaching and smart players helps.
 

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