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Sheffield United were beaten at home yet again as their awful run of form continued as they were beaten by high flying Norwich City at Bramall Lane. It was a better performance from the Blades yet again and the effort and hear cannot be faulted but despite this it was a similar ending to many of the games this season and yet another defeat. Once again United players and fans alike blamed officials for their latest loss but the reality is two more sloppy goals were conceded and their inability to score goals at one end and stop them at the other end means that it is difficult to see where the next victory is coming from despite the improvements in application and tempo.

United began with a relatively attacking line up with Cresswell and Ward down the flanks supplanting second time debutant Marcus Bent and Evans up front. There were home debuts for Mattock and Lowry. Norwich began the game well with Holt’s aerial presence causing problems. Lowry did well to clear twice from the big front man showing his no nonsense approach and Mattock also showed well in the early stages. Holt had one header off target before Ward was off target for United at the other end. United began to get a hold of the game with a series of biting tackles from Montgomery and Quinn leading to the Blades getting the ball forward. Bent was showing his leadership qualities up front and combined well with Evans to give United territory and opportunities to test Ruddy. Evans was off target with a volleyed effort and then Ward again was able to get a shot away but it was a weak effort saved by Ruddy.

United were quicker to the ball and the crowd were appreciative of their efforts. The best chance came when after Ward’s free kick fell to Evans; the Welsh striker’s low shot was turned away by the feet of the Norwich keeper. Quinn was then brought down but Evans shot was wide of Ruddy’s left hand post. Cresswell ought to have done better when he headed over when well placed from another corner. United ought to have led but had spurned the chances they had created and it seemed Norwich were aware of this as they came back into the game just before the break. They forced a spell of corners and then won a free kick when Lowry was adjudged to have brought down Martin. The same man hit the set piece but it hit the top of Simonsen’s crossbar and it was a fortunate let off for the Blades who would have been mightily unlucky to have gone in behind.

The second half began with Cresswell’s shot over the bar and then Holt tested Simonsen as the game became more of an even contest. City were picking up more of the loose balls and forcing United further back. From one such opening the ball was turned forward and Bartley appealed for a foul when Jackson sprinted to evade him but as the United centre back hit the floor the referee signalled for a corner kick rather than a foul for the Blades. From the resulting corner from Fox, Simonsen failed to gather or get a convincing enough clearance on the ball and as the ball dropped CROFTS volleyed it into the corner of the net through a crowd of players. United’s goalkeeper was booked for his appeals after the goal but yet again United were behind.

Cresswell headed over again when well placed and then was moved to a central striking position when the tiring Bent was replaced by Yeates. It was not long before United were level and it came from Simonsen’s long free kick. Cresswell and Whitbread competed for the high ball and as it fell, EVANS was able to hold the ball up against Barnett and turned well before drilling the ball across Ruddy and into the corner. United were deservedly level and it was a well taken goal from the resurgent front man.

United looked determined to now try and win the game but it was city who had the next chance. Sloppy play from Yeates saw the ball transferred forward quickly and Lappin’s low shot was well saved from Simonsen. United were not able to get the ball into the last third and if anything City were looking more threatening but it was alarming how the second goal came about with just under ten minutes left to play and it came in identical fashion to the first. A corner from the left hand side was not dealt with by the keeper nor the defence and as the ball dropped CROFTS once again was on hand to smash the ball home. United once again protested for a foul ; this time for a push on Evans but once again referee Haines waved away the appeals and this time cautioned Quinn for his remonstrations. United were stunned yet again and seemed unable to respond with City now controlling much of the play.

Kozluk came on for the Blades and was used immediately for his long throws but United were struggling to make much headway and the second goal seemed to have really knocked them and the fight they seemed almost resigned to their fate. Bogdanovic came on right at the death but United were unable to muster any real chance of note and Norwich killed time rather comfortably with the additional four minutes being played in United’s third of the field rather than the other end. United’s supporters applauded the side off but once again it was a rather too predictable result and ending for their side who are now right in the mire at the wrong end of the table.

Norwich – They were pretty poor for the most part but we have said this about so many side; Scunthorpe, Ipswich, Watford, Hull etc and most have left with a win. We cannot keep saying this. The reality is that these sides put the ball in the net; we don’t. We make stupid mistakes; we don’t. I think in general possession, tackling, passing etc we have not been great but have not been bad; especially recently. We have matched teams but oh so often we just keep losing and almost in similar circumstances. It is happening more than often for it just to be unlucky or down to referees. Norwich were really ordinary. Holt tussled up front and was quite cynical with elbows and arms flailing everywhere. Jackson was lively up front alongside him and caused a few problems with his pace. I also felt Martin him looked a good footballer as evidence by a few decent efforts on goal. I felt we bossed the midfield in the first half but then Fox, Lappin and Hoolahan then got the better of us in the second half. At the back I felt the number 6, Whitbread looked really poor and that Evans and Bent caused him lots of problems. Indeed, I felt we could have got beyond them and caused them more problems but overall do not think we tested them enough in the second half.

I do not think they will go up and actually think they may struggle to get in the playoffs but then I have not seen many good sides this year so someone has to go up or get in the playoffs. The fact that they are third says it all about the division and the fine margins between success and failure. We have looked no worse than most sides but the basics of defending and attacking have been neglected and other teams are much more ruthless. I cannot remember many goals we have scored like the two Crofts did today. They were scrappy but they were taken well as they took advantage of sloppy keeping /defending.

United – It was another decent performance with good battling spirit in evidence. We fought hard and won a lot of tackles and loose balls. For the first 45 minutes I felt we were the better side and should have been winning at the break but then in the second half I felt we did not win as much of the loose balls and individual battles, Norwich squeezed up and they were the better team. Still we did not deserve to lose the game and on another day we would have got a point, or maybe three.

However, we keep saying this week in, week out. The reality is that despite the better efforts and application; we are still losing most game and giving away daft goals. We are struggling to create/score much at the other end and the net result is as I say; we just keep losing. I felt the newcomers, Mattock, Lowry and Bent were an improvement and gave us more solidity all over the team. We looked less of a soft touch and looked more solid. Sure, we did not play scintillating football but we still looked more like a side and I felt we were competing also winning a lot of battles. However, we failed to get a goal in the first half that maybe we deserved and then in the second half they were probably better in possession and won more of the loose balls. Still even after the daft goal we got level and I felt maybe we could go on and win it, but like so many other games we chuck away another goal and after this barely registered an attack of note as Norwich saw out the game comfortably for the final ten minutes. There is a real lack of leadership in the side and I feel we do not have anyone who can get hold of the side and will them forward.

Whilst there were improvements defensively and the whole back four did ok, silly mistakes led to stupid goals and it means if a player does well for a game; it matters little if a goal is tossed away. In midfield we had basically scrappers in the middle and little creativity from Ward and Cresswell who were both poor. Yeates was even worse when he came on. The team is crying out for creativity and pace in the final third as for all the improvements in the performance I cannot remember many clear cut chances despite us playing fairly well. We do not have the ability to dissect defences or players to go at them down the flanks, beat defenders for pace and get crosses in. Evans and Bent linked well but both of them are just honest workers and neither is dominating in the air nor have the pace to stretch defences making balls to them having to be precise to then bring others into play. I thought we mixed things up nicely in the first half and played some decent football along with some good direct football. In the second half we resorted to the most part to lumping it and relied on long throws and set plays. I cannot remember many moves of note outside the goal where we got through them and despite the goals being scrappy for City and the fact they were not exactly threatening, I just felt they had much more control of the game and we looked a bit clueless.

We have some tough games coming up and with the wretched home form too I cannot really see where the next win is coming from. Despite the changes of personal we keep tossing goals away and failing to score many at the other end. This basically leads to further defeats. It seems like the team has basically forgotten to win games and at the moment it just seems all too predictable how most of the games go. I cannot hammer the team nor the manager as they are clearly trying and certainly do not deserve to lose some of the games they are but the reality is they are losing most of the games and for all the commendable talk and honesty from Adams it has been a really poor start for him. You usually get at least 1 or 2 wins from a new manager off the back of a change but it is now 0 wins in 5 games since he came which is really poor however you dress it up. I am not blaming him in any way but things have got no better since the change of manager. If anything we are even more embroiled at the bottom of the table than we were before. I am really fearful and my gut feeling at the moment is that we will probably go down unless we can bring in 2 or 3 experienced players and some leaders who can get the team by the scruff of the necks. Quinn and Monty are sadly a long way from that. With all of the bottom three to play too it is going to be a real fight but if we do not get a win soon we are going to be trapped and it will be too late.

Simonsen 3/10 – From hero to zero. Last week he won us a point. This week he maybe cost us any chance of any. He made a few standard saves and missed a punch from a corner in the first half but had nothing to really unduly worry about until the second half. Then he failed to deal with a corner that led to a goal and after we got level repeated the trick from an identical situation. The appeals for fouls seemed a bit desperate. I just thought they were two bad goalkeeping mistakes and cost us the game. Sadly with Richard ‘I only can play one half’ Wright and a set of kids behind him we are stuck with him.

Parrino 7/10 – I think he had a solid game today. He was not spectacular and at times still was not tight enough for his man but he got stronger as the game went on and actually defended solidly and sensibly. He also got forward when he could. Still think he needs to adjust to the pace of the English game but when he does and if he tightens up defensively he might make a player.

Mattock 6.5/10 – Began the game well, winning two or three tackles and making solid clearances. He did not get forward much at all but did the basics of a full back I expect. Second half he made a few mistakes in possession of the ball and lost his man a few times but overall he was an improvement on what we have seen from most of our left backs this season.

Bartley 7/10 – Solid enough. He did not do anything wrong and won headers and clearances most of the game. Looked better alongside a centre back that actually attacked the ball which meant he could use his strengths of mopping up and covering in behind with his pace.

Lowry 7/10 – Quite impressed. A no nonsense Morgan type centre back that chucks himself at the ball to head/kick it clear. He often took the man out aswell as the ball and did not mind the physical contact at all! Was harshly booked when the man appeared to dive near the end of the first half but then I thought he could have been booked earlier for a few rash tackles that went unpunished. He is not much of a ball player but probably what we need at the back at the moment in that he was just interested in clearing the ball and meant we looked less of a soft touch.

Cresswell 4/10 – Thought he was poor from start to finish. He began wide left and finished up front but other than 2 or 3 terrible headers way off target when well placed; I felt the game just passed him by. He is so slow and immobile and looks every inch a lower league player who is yards behind the pace and the speed of the rest of the players on the pitch. How he lasted until right near the death was beyond me.

Ward 5.5/10 – Another one who was not really a threat. He began on the right side where he has been a real success only a season or so ago but he did not really do anything of note all game. His touch and passing was poor and often he gave possession to a yellow shirt. He does not look a goalscoring threat at all and when he was wide he rarely got a decent ball in all afternoon. Ended up just sort of floating about around the middle of the field; behind the front two but the game just seemed to pass him by.

Quinn 6/10 –Inconsistent despite battling well especially first half. He tried hard again but his passing and distribution was pretty poor. Battled hard in the first half and it meant we won a lot of balls to effectively boss much of the half but after the break Norwich’s midfield won nearly all of the ball and controlled the game. He petered out badly and just seemed to be chasing shadows.

Montgomery 6/10 – Like Quinn battled tremendously hard and won a lot of tackles and loose balls as we swarmed all over them early and took control of the game but second half he faded and was chasing. However, his passing and retention of the ball was worse than ever. He played 6 or 7 aimless balls to no one and did not even try to play it to a red and white shirt with directionless punts becoming commonplace. I counted one occasion in the second half whether he gave the ball away 5 times in under a minute! I kid you not. I felt along with Quinn and the rest of our midfield he faded badly and he was not really a factor second half.

Bent 6.5/10 – Started the game well; holding the ball up on more than one occasion with clever touches or good physical strength. He linked well with Evans and finally we had a pairing that the centre halves looked worried about. He led the line well and also covered a lot of the frontline. He also looked a threat aerially. After the break his lack of fitness seemed obvious and he faded quite badly. He did not really do much at all in the second half and it was no surprise when he was taken off. Still if we can get him fit he can be a real asset.

Evans 7.5/10 – Another improved performance and probably our best player. Put himself about, actually ran at defenders and caused problems with this willing running. Also showed more tenacity in challenges and did not shirk physical contact. Linked well with Bent and had a few half chances in the first half before taking his goal really well; a proper old fashioned centre forward goal where he held the ball up, rolled his man and then tucked away a lovely finish.

Subs –

Yeates – Terrible when he came on. I was crying out for him too but everything he did when he came on went wrong from sliced shots to poor touches to dreadful crosses. A player that is just unbelievably inconsistent and the reason why he probably never will be a regular.

Kozluk – Unsure where he was meant to be playing? Seemed to be like a special team in American Football (although was used as a thrower rather than a kicker) and was just going all over the field to take long throws. He was playing right wing I think but I reckon he was told just to go out and make a nuisance of himself?

Bogdanovic – Should have been brought on much earlier but he was given little chance to impress when he came on when the game entered stoppage time.

Officials – It seemed like the referee was blamed for a lot of today but I did not see clear fouls for either goal. That is my honest reaction taking off my red and white tinted spectacles. Maybe I am wrong and just maybe it was hard to tell from my vantage point at the Kop end but the first it just seemed Simonsen flapped at the ball and there seemed minimal contact. There was an appeal for a trip before the corner on Bartley but not many appealed then and after the corner came in I felt it just pretty poor goalkeeping and was surprised our players surrounded the referee. The second he did not even get near it and I could a foul at all despite the so called appeals for a push on Evans. It seemed a bit desperate from our players again in their appeals instead of just defending the set play and once again United’s defenders and goalkeeper in particular needed to be stronger/more dominant. If the goals had been at the other end I think the United fans would have gone mad if they had been disallowed. As for the rest of the game; I cannot recall much else he did wrong despite the cry of being wronged from most of the home fans. There was a dive in the first half that I felt was suckered into an award when Lowry was booked and I felt Holt showed what a nasty so and so he could be when he left the elbow in a few times but equally I saw both Quinn and Lowry make a few naughty late challenges which could have led to sterner action. Maybe a few 50/50’s went to them rather than us but I certainly did not see a performance from the officials that was so biased against us that many around me did. I have felt we have been badly wronged this season in quite a few games but did not see that today. We need to stop moaning and get on with winning games. To see 7 or 8 players around the referee after the second goal today was embarrassing I felt and was an attempt to cover up for our defensive deficiencies.

Crowd – The home fans were once again pretty positive as they saw another battling performance with good effort and heart shown. They saw the side were doing their best but I have never known so many home defeats in one season and it is not surprising the home attendances have dropped. The crowd was swelled by a decent couple of thousand following from Norwich added to the atmosphere.
 

Montgomery 6/10 – Like Quinn battled tremendously hard and won a lot of tackles and loose balls as we swarmed all over them early and took control of the game but second half he faded and was chasing. However, his passing and retention of the ball was worse than ever. He played 6 or 7 aimless balls to no one and did not even try to play it to a red and white shirt with directionless punts becoming commonplace. I counted one occasion in the second half whether he gave the ball away 5 times in under a minute! I kid you not. I felt along with Quinn and the rest of our midfield he faded badly and he was not really a factor second half.

I'd love to see his pass completion stats. For the first hour or so, I think they would be excellent, he hardly wasted a ball. Agree he had a dodgy spell late in the game but overall, his passing was very good in terms of finding a team mate. None of it cut the opposition open but then neither did Leon Britton when he played for us.
 
Officials – It seemed like the referee was blamed for a lot of today but I did not see clear fouls for either goal.

It was a clear foul on Evans in the build up to the 2nd goal but the useless ref and his 'assistant' chose to ignore it.
Thanks for the report DB.

BTW I thought Bent looked class in the first half and when fit should provide the perfect foil for Evans. Ward needs a kick up the backside.
 
I thought Montgomery was really poor throughout in possesion of the ball. He battled really hard and covered so much ground but I lost count of the number oif aimless balls he playefd from start to finish. I can hardly remember a ball he played to a red and white shirt today (at least to their feet; a few were played well in front or were hospital type balls) but I still think he played ok in the first half at least as he did a lot of other good things! I thought he and Quinn were poor second half and the likes of Crofts, Hoolahan and Fox bossed things and we were chasing the ball.

I thought United were excellent first half but thought that Norwich were the better side second half; having 3 or 4 clear chances in addition to the goals (can't remember many for us at all second half outside the goal - basically opposite to the first half). It was a game where a draw would have been a fair result I feel but last week we should have lost so its swings and roundabouts I suppose.

Keep hearing fans saying we will be ok and things will turn but we keep losing pretty much every week. If we keep up this level of form we will go down. I hope the improved efforts in application are matched by better defending and an ability to put the ball away at the other end but things have not changed that much from the start of the season; only that there is more effort in the team and maybe we are creating a few more chances (but still not taking them). We have conceded goals by the bucketload no matter who the manager or personnel is. This is just not showing any signs of changing and will lead to us going down unless we sort it and fast. It seems the bottom 4 could get separated and that means the game at the bottom 3 (all away!) could decide our fate. Worryingly I cannot see us winning at Preston, Palace or Scunthorpe. When was the last time we won at any of those places?
 
As always Deadbat thanks for your reports from the game but today i have to agree with cooperman thought Monty used the ball well for the first hour and didnt really waste it
 
First time poster here.
Deadbeat, I've been reading your match reports with interest for some time now.
I can confirm that I have been to every match you have "reported" on, but I'm not totally convinced that you were also at the games.
No matter how well anyone plays, you seemed determined to put a downer on their performance ... you remind me of some of the managers I have worked for in my job!
Simmo was fouled quite clearly for both goals. I could see that from my position on the Kop, so why couldn't you? TV has just confirmed what I thought I'd seen.
Equally, the foul on Bartley in the build up to the 1st goal was blatantly obvious.
Simmo doesn't deserve the slatings you have given him, and certainly doesn't deserve as little as 3/10.
The same goes for Monty's ratings!
Please change the record!
 
Thanks for the report Deadbat couldn't make today, things seem to be improving but we have to cut out the mistakes and try somehow to develop some belief. UTB
 
First time poster here.
Deadbeat, I've been reading your match reports with interest for some time now.
I can confirm that I have been to every match you have "reported" on, but I'm not totally convinced that you were also at the games.
No matter how well anyone plays, you seemed determined to put a downer on their performance ... you remind me of some of the managers I have worked for in my job!
Simmo was fouled quite clearly for both goals. I could see that from my position on the Kop, so why couldn't you? TV has just confirmed what I thought I'd seen.
Equally, the foul on Bartley in the build up to the 1st goal was blatantly obvious.
Simmo doesn't deserve the slatings you have given him, and certainly doesn't deserve as little as 3/10.
The same goes for Monty's ratings!
Please change the record!


A controversial second post!
 
Its difficult to know what to make of today. The first half performance was better than anything else I've seen all season, the second half had a familiar lacklustre feeling coupled with questionable decisions going against United throughout.

As far as I and everyone around me was concerned, both Norwich goals should have been disallowed. The first for a foul on Simonsen and the second for series of events including a player in an offside position and a foul.....but who's bitter eh? ;)

The fact is those decisions will continually go against us and we have to accept that we're not going to get a fair crack from the refs.....so we have to be better! We're still badly lacking through the middle of the park and despite Bent's contiribution (I thought he looked excellent) we still look such a soft touch down the middle.

Without the addition of at least two, if not three quality players this team will go down. I want to remain positive but I have to be realistic. We're just not good enough and without a big injection of new faces we will struggle for every point.
 
I agree with the other posters , your assessment of Montgomery is becoming a joke ,his ball retention in the first half was excellent. He and Quinn played well today but they did fade in the second half. The real culprits today were Cresswell and Ward who were both poor.
 
Deadbat,

Your assessment of Montgomery and Quinn was spot-on. They are entirely devoid of talent and for all the huff and puff create absolutely nothing. They are the worst central midfield pairing in the entire football league. The likes of Cooperblade and Sitwell will hear absolutely no criticism of Montgomery at all. They really would sooner be relegated than see their hero replaced.

Thanks for the report but it really wasn't necessary. I wrote an entirely accurate one before the kick-off, on another thread. It can be cut and pasted for the next match as well and indeed for any future game in which these two grace our midfield.
 
As much-improved as yesterday was, we're now entering 'squeaky-bum time' (© A. Ferguson), where draws will soon not be enough. As ever, opinions are massively divided about 'certain' players, so I won't add to these (Although I'd pick out Parrino as very good), I thought the ref. did OK (thought Bartley slipped for their first) and there was more excitement in a super game than a whole seasons-worth of Blackwell performances.

So what can we do from now 'til May 8th? Obviously relegation would be an utter disaster, as our better players (who some on here deride) would leave, and we'd have even worse quality to choose from - making a repeat of our descent to the bottom tier entirely possible.

I mentioned in an earlier post the 'winning momentum' that some teams acquire at this time of the season. The table pretty much doesn't lie by now, and teams up near the top can see the prize is within their grasp. We've had it before in 2003 and in the promotion season, when draws are turned into victories, Forest had it at Derby, and Norwich certainly had it yesterday.

Whereas Norwich would normally settle for a draw at BDTBL, yesterday they wouldn't have settled for anything but a win and so came set-up for that. The fans pick up on this winning mentality and follow in numbers. Someone has accused us of being 'sloppy' after we equalised, but I sensed it was more outrage on Norwich's part, that we - a team right down at the bottom - had dared to peg them back, and so tore into us with a renewed vigour which we couldn't handle.

Solutions? Well, with our inferior (to most teams) squad, we can only hope that MA is aware that, from now until the end of the season, every game is now effectively an away game and hopefully instil this into the players, and set us up accordingly. And the fans have got to try to be patient. 'Fortress Bramall Lane' is but a distant memory now.

The only other possible solution is this. As well as we performed yesterday, much of our dealing with the ball when in possession was 'headless chicken' (© any manager) stuff, where just getting a head/foot/anything on the ball and propelling it straight back to Norwich was seen as adequate.

Oh for a player who could put his foot on the ball, weigh up options and use his experience to see where an opening may develop.

Oh for Andy Reid.

I've never suggested that any single player can be the panacea for all our ills. Some transfers 'work' and some don't. But before February turns into March, I feel we should move heaven and earth to get Reidy back. We know it will be 'who blinks first' as the closing of the window draws near, and as Andy wants PL football. All very understandable but I think he'll find there will be a glut of players in exactly the same position.

So come on, Trevor Birch. Use your abilities to 'sell' SUFC to him. His fee of £500k cannot be an obstacle when so much is at stake. Offer him a 'deal-maker' such as the promise of funding his badges and a future place on the coaching staff - much as we did with Speed. A player coming to the twilight of his career might just find this tempting.
 
Deadbat,

Your assessment of Montgomery and Quinn was spot-on. They are entirely devoid of talent and for all the huff and puff create absolutely nothing. They are the worst central midfield pairing in the entire football league. The likes of Cooperblade and Sitwell will hear absolutely no criticism of Montgomery at all. They really would sooner be relegated than see their hero replaced.

Thanks for the report but it really wasn't necessary. I wrote an entirely accurate one before the kick-off, on another thread. It can be cut and pasted for the next match as well and indeed for any future game in which these two grace our midfield.

The worst in the entire football league? Of course, to be able to make such a sweeping statement you'll have watched ALL the other midfield pairings. Of course you will, otherwise once again you've been caught fibbing.

I've nothing against criticism of any player, and I freely admit that if we can get better players in then we should. But Warnock, Robson, Blackwell, Speed and Adams have all picked Montgomery and Quinn. What part of football do you work in that proves you know better than the previous FIVE manager of Sheffield United, and why didn't you apply for the vacancy before Adams got it?

Sometimes your blind attacks against Monty and Quinn really do seem that rather than not even having "red and white tinted specs" you must go to the matches with a bucket on your head.

Once again I'll state that if we can get better players in then we should. No player for United is irreplaceable. But your constant belittling of your chosen targets is getting to be like a stuck record. Even if they play well you'll still say they were shit. We know they're not world-class, because of they were they'd be playing for someone else, but to call them the "worst central midfield pairing in the entire football league" is, frankly, ridiculous.

If Adams can get better players in then I'd be happy to see that. Because you are such an expert in midfield pairings, having seen every single one in the "entire football league" then perhaps you could suggest who we get in and how we afford them.
 
Patronising ,boring ,repetitive, guff. Same as every post you ever make.
Can't wait to be relagated as long as Monty stays. Yep you got me there.
 
If Montgomery and Quinn continue to form our central midfield we will be outplayed in that department as a matter of routine. That's a safe prediction because it happens every time. We will also be relegated.

Lee Williamson is a better player than these two liabilities put together. We urgently need to recruit (it is permitted!) a footballer to partner him. Andy Reid springs to mind. Even then some of you would want to isolate his talent on the wing so that your non-footballing hero can continue to parade his skills. How about Glenn Whelan (not getting a game at Stoke)? Or the fellow at Kilmarnock?

I despair.
 

"Hello, Mr Reid, Trevor Birch here. Are you doing anything for the rest of the season? Fancy taking a hefty cut in wages for a relegation scrap in the Championship? If the worst does happen, you could be player of the season in League 1."

It's a bit of a hard sell and I just can't see it coming off. Even if he doesn't continue making the bench at the Mackems and their injuries are mostly long term ones and even if he doesn't manage to find a Prem club willing to take him on, there are currently 20 clubs in the Championship more attractive than us, most of which, unlike SUFC, are not in the process of slicing millions off their wage bill. Unfortunately, most of the above applies equally to almost all current Premiership players.

Still, we did get Benty.

I'd be delighted if it does happen but it does seem to me a bit of an "I'll bare my arse on the town hall steps" kinda thing.
 
Lee Williamson is a better player than these two liabilities put together. We urgently need to recruit (it is permitted!) a footballer to partner him. Andy Reid springs to mind. Even then some of you would want to isolate his talent on the wing so that your non-footballing hero can continue to parade his skills. How about Glenn Whelan (not getting a game at Stoke)? Or the fellow at Kilmarnock?

I despair.

Lee Williamson has played how many games this season? Four. So I would suggest that he's not quite the answer to the question of who we play in midfield. How do we afford Whelan? Or "the fellow at Kilmarnock""?

Genuinely, I'd like to know. Andy Reid is highly unlikely to come back to United as there are many more clubs better suited both financially and table-wise than us. He'll probably go to a middling-to-lower-half side, perhaps like Wigan or Wolves, or some Championship side that can happily spunk away cash safe in the knowledge that it doesn't matter where it comes from or how it's financed, like Cardiff or Dirty Leeds.

Would you rather have Lee Williamson playing, even if he's lying on his back in traction for the whole game? A fully fit Williamson is better than Quinn, but a fully fit Williamson is rarer than a unicorn in Rotherham. After all, a total of four, yes, four games this season is hardly indicative of a fully fit and performing player. Last season he managed 23 appearances, only 14 of which were league starts. 17 starts in one and a half seasons would not suggest to most people a player who a midfield can be built around. Maybe a hospital wing or perhaps a physio's treatment room could be built around him, but certainly not a midfield. With planning like that we'll all despair.
 
Deadbat,

Your assessment of Montgomery and Quinn was spot-on. They are entirely devoid of talent and for all the huff and puff create absolutely nothing. They are the worst central midfield pairing in the entire football league. The likes of Cooperblade and Sitwell will hear absolutely no criticism of Montgomery at all. They really would sooner be relegated than see their hero replaced.

Thanks for the report but it really wasn't necessary. I wrote an entirely accurate one before the kick-off, on another thread. It can be cut and pasted for the next match as well and indeed for any future game in which these two grace our midfield.

Sadly this is becoming a game of tennis. But I'm happy to serve from the Monty (and today, Quinny) side of the net, whilst ever Deadbat and as ever, backed up by the baseline game of Pinchy, serve the aces aimed at Monty's bollocks.
He put one or two daft balls out today, but I too watched with particular interest the number of passes which found their target or the balls played into channels (something we are doing more often under MA, but no doubt being labelled 'hoof' by the cynics) with damaging effect.
If the bloke has a shite game, I'll acknowledge, but yesterday, quite simply, he didn't and the stuck record you two continue to play lacks credibility whilever you fail to acknowledge his worth to the side.
Yesterday we had Ertl and Williamson on the bench (I suspect Willo may well have been less than 100% fit) yet Micky Adams, like how many other managers before him picks Monty and Quinn in the centre of midfield. Can Neil Warnock, Bryan Robson, Kevin Blackwell, Gary Speed, John Carver and Micky Adams be blind to what Pinchy, Deadbat and other Stevie Wonder impersonators fail to spot in these two much maligned lads?
 
If Montgomery and Quinn continue to form our central midfield we will be outplayed in that department as a matter of routine. That's a safe prediction because it happens every time. We will also be relegated.

Lee Williamson is a better player than these two liabilities put together. We urgently need to recruit (it is permitted!) a footballer to partner him. Andy Reid springs to mind. Even then some of you would want to isolate his talent on the wing so that your non-footballing hero can continue to parade his skills. How about Glenn Whelan (not getting a game at Stoke)? Or the fellow at Kilmarnock?

I despair.

Couldn't agree more. If we persist with Quinn and Monty we will go down, simple as. How people can claim that Monty's passing was good in the first half yesterday can't possibly have been at the game, he consistently failed to find a red shirt from start to finish and because his team mates are frightened to death to pass the ball to him it is sometimes like playing with 10 men.
 
Couldn't agree more. If we persist with Quinn and Monty we will go down, simple as. How people can claim that Monty's passing was good in the first half yesterday can't possibly have been at the game, he consistently failed to find a red shirt from start to finish and because his team mates are frightened to death to pass the ball to him it is sometimes like playing with 10 men.

Well from your post I'd say neither could you posssibly have been at the game too.
 
If ever there was an exmple of scores being pre determined by reputation, this was it. Quinn (who I'm no big fan of) scoring lower than Mattock, who has a mare. Hmmmm....

UTB

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Deadbat,

Your assessment of Montgomery and Quinn was spot-on.

LOL. Really, Im suprised. Not.

I rest my case.

:D

UTB
 
"Hello, Mr Reid, Trevor Birch here. Are you doing anything for the rest of the season? Fancy taking a hefty cut in wages for a relegation scrap in the Championship? If the worst does happen, you could be player of the season in League 1."

Okay, then. If not Reid, why not Tonge? Don't tell me we can't afford his wages, but Preston can? OR Kilgallon ditto. Or Michael Brown?

The players are out there who could/would transform this team. The time for excuses and penny-pinching is almost up.
 
Deadbat,

Your assessment of Montgomery and Quinn was spot-on. They are entirely devoid of talent and for all the huff and puff create absolutely nothing. They are the worst central midfield pairing in the entire football league. The likes of Cooperblade and Sitwell will hear absolutely no criticism of Montgomery at all. They really would sooner be relegated than see their hero replaced.

Thanks for the report but it really wasn't necessary. I wrote an entirely accurate one before the kick-off, on another thread. It can be cut and pasted for the next match as well and indeed for any future game in which these two grace our midfield.

Are you a Pig fan? You sound like one. And if not, you ought to be.
 
Okay, then. If not Reid, why not Tonge? Don't tell me we can't afford his wages, but Preston can? OR Kilgallon ditto. Or Michael Brown?

The players are out there who could/would transform this team. The time for excuses and penny-pinching is almost up.

Not Tonge because he had no energy when he was young, and has always been crap in central midfield IMHO. Really not what we need.

UTB
 
I've just thought of an ingenious way if settling the Monty/Quinn debate. Odd I know, but why don't we have a look at the league table? Just a thought.
 
I've just thought of an ingenious way if settling the Monty/Quinn debate. Odd I know, but why don't we have a look at the league table? Just a thought.

That's easy enough Pinchy.

We are currently 21st in a 24 team division, the second highest in England. Therefore there are 40 teams above us - 20 in the Premier League and the 20 above us. By your reckoning, that means that Monty and Quin are the 41st BEST midfield pairing in the country. League 1 and 2, the Blue Square and all the other divisions are below us, and so of course their midfield parings must be worse than Monty and Quinn because they are below us in the league tables.

So, Monty and Quinn can't be the worst in the country, can they? They're not even the worst in our division. Palace, Scunny and Preston are shitter than we are.

Look. Here's the league table for you to peruse. Well, the bit showing where we are - not right at the bottom, are we? Shit, but not the shittest in the league.


21 Sheff Utd 27 -17 27
22 Crystal Palace 27 -21 26
23 Scunthorpe 25 -18 24
24 Preston 26 -18 21


Three teams below us, and that's just in our league. So you can't really use the league table as an argument that Quinn and Minty are the worst in the country, because they are not even the worst in the Championship.

Ta-daaaa!
 

I have to say that I usually agree with you Deadbat but I found myself disagreeing with quite a bit of that today. I guess thats football and opinions!

Harsh on Monty who was by far the better of the two in CM. To rate him the same as Quinn is IMO a bit of a joke. Quinn was more of a 5, Monty more of a 6.5. Monty will not get us promoted but he will be a key component of us staying up. We are not as good as other sides and we need him to break things up. The key is who plays alongside him. We have to get Williamson fit. Have to.

Agree completely on Simmo. Is Wright fit? Is he still here? Got to start soon.

I liked the lad Lowry and didn't think the defence did much wrong at all. Thought Bartley was our second best player dealing with a tricky opponent in Holt and the very different Jackson. Parrino, agree with you completely. Mattock looked steady at best and was poor as the second half went on. Maybe he was tiring as he is only just back from an injury which we tend to forget as he wasn't here at the time?

Cresswell. Excellent last season but MA has to realise that he is finished at this level now. Bench to bring on when desperate for a goal, fine. Left winger? No thanks.

Ward and/or Yeates has to step up and make right wing dangerous for us again. We've always been blessed with top rate right wingers in my time watching United and I think the lack of a genuine RW who will get beyond the full back is one of the saddest things about SUFC at the moment.

Bent started well and faded. Needs to get fit fast.

Ched Evans. Best game in a SUFC shirt for me and an absolute travesty that the lad didn't end up winning the game for us with his goal.

The problem is however well we play, we've got clowns playing for us and it is hurting us big time as they make mistake after mistake after mistake. Simonsen, Nosworthy, Quinn, Calve, even Ward ... Add an ineffective Cresswell, issues at left back and poor attacking play for much of the season and you've got a recipe for potential disaster. I still remain confident that MA will save us but he needs to get the first win and fast and he needs to pull a couple of bargains out of the hat now.

UTB
 

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