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A West Ham fan of my acquaintance brought this to my attention. Does it spell trouble for McCabe, do we think?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15386863.stm

The Premier League's third-party ownership rules are "not legitimate" - according to the lawyer who helped introduce the Bosman ruling.

In 1995, Jean-Louis Dupont helped Jean-Marc Bosman achieve the law that allows players to move for free after their contract has expired.

And he believes the rule that requires top-flight clubs to fully own the economic rights of a player is illegal.

"To prohibit such activity is not legitimate under EU law," said Dupont.

The idea of shared ownership - where a club might own 50% or more of a player with the remaining percentage owned by a third party - is common in the rest of the world, particularly in South America.

The Premier League ban on third-party ownership was introduced at the start of the 2008-09 season to protect the "integrity of competition" following the Carlos Tevez affair.

West Ham were fined £5.5m by the Football Association in 2007 after signing Tevez and Javier Mascherano and allowing the Media Sports Investment company to keep certain rights to the players.

That season, Tevez scored at Old Trafford to help keep the Hammers in the Premier League, leading to a long legal battle with Sheffield United over compensation for the Blades' relegation.

The prohibition on third-party ownership also applies to all Football League clubs and last season QPR were fined nearly £1m for breaching regulations in the 2009 signing of Alejandro Faurlin.

Dupont believes a legal challenge to the rule would have a "very, very good chance" of winning.

THIRD-PARTY BUSINESS

He told BBC Sport: "I have observed the Tevez case and the rule in the UK.

"I'm not convinced restrictions to that business are legitimate. Third parties would own rights of players and have an interest in the potential benefit of transferring a player from club A to club B.

"We are in a typical case where, in order to avoid the disease, you kill the patient. If you kill the patient, there is no disease - but there is no patient either.

"The main principle under EU law is the freedom of enterprise, where the restriction is the exception. You should start with the principle rather than the exception."

In Portugal one notable third-party owner is the Benfica Stars Fund, which is run by that country's biggest bank Banco Espirito Santo.

And Dupont posed the question of what the difference is between a club using a third-party owner and going to a bank for a loan to buy a player.

He said: "This is a typical sports federation over-reaction. There are reasons for a federation to be careful when you see third parties investing in football but it does not entitle them to over-react to cancel the freedom of somebody.

Dupont worked on the landmark Bosman case
"The rule is not proportionate. The objective is to protect the game - the ethics of it.

"But to achieve that you cannot just say 'no' to third parties. It's clearly excessive. What is the difference between having a fund [third party] buying a player and a bank doing it?"

Lawyer Guy Thomas said: "It's fair to question whether the Premier League rules on this could be shown to be restrictive.

"If a claim was made and a restriction shown then the Premier League would need to justify its regulations.

"A fight like this needs a spark - and few choose to enter litigation without a potential payday. The next time the holder of an economic right is forced to sell their interest to a Premier League club, the spark might arise if both sides cannot agree on what those rights are worth."

However Sanjay Nijran of Smithfield Partners argued that the leagues could be successful in any bid to retain the ban on third-party ownership.

"The football authorities would attempt to justify this rule based on 'competitive balance' and it has been shown in both case law and by the European Commission that 'competitive balance' is vital for sport and is a factor which separates it from normal industry.

"On this basis, it is likely that the European Court of Justice and European Commission would be able to objectively justify this type of rule."


It could be that this bloke is just sticking his oar in and has no idea what he's talking about! I certainly hope so, we certainly haven't got £25M to spare.
 



No. West Ham broke the rules as they were at the time and were punished accordingly. If the rules were to change, it wouldn't impact the judgment.

It's a bit like the Government changing the law on speeding fines to make the fixed penalty £100. They wouldn't go after everyone with points to get another £40 per standard endorsement.
 
I think the Lawyer's argument is that the rule under which they were punished isn't legitimate at all, and that it could be challenged.
 
I think the Lawyer's argument is that the rule under which they were punished isn't legitimate at all, and that it could be challenged.

But if it is overturned that will not have retrospective effect.

Since that money is not being used for team building, who cares anyway.
 
Oh so you haven't emigrated ,no comment on our better form and results ? What a shock.
 
Oh so you haven't emigrated ,no comment on our better form and results ? What a shock.

You what? I'm right behind Danny, have been since day one and the muppet show. I'm enjoying the football again and it's full steam ahead on the good ship Wilson.
 
Someone else after a slice of the pie. It disgusts me. I long for the days when I was a naïve schoolboy playing football three hours a night - when sponsorship meant someone giving me 50p for every mile I ran in the fun run and agents were only in James Bond films. This is not the game I fell in love with. It makes me sick, what we're handing down to our kids.
 
I don't think I am.

Depends whether you define property in the traditional sense - ie land and buildings - or personal possessions which are your "property". If that's the case, we're not very good at it as I don't think anything I own will have increased in value since I bought it!
 
I think the Lawyer's argument is that the rule under which they were punished isn't legitimate at all, and that it could be challenged.

Didn't the club/McCabe* (*delete as appropriate) reach a settlement with Wet Spam anyway? I would have thought that was a "full and final" settlement so the matter would be put to bed (for both sides).
 
Depends whether you define property in the traditional sense - ie land and buildings - or personal possessions which are your "property". If that's the case, we're not very good at it as I don't think anything I own will have increased in value since I bought it!

But being a speculator implies that you buy land/property/goods not for their intrinsic utility but with a view to selling them later at an increased value. To that end, I am certainly not a speculator.
 
One reason lawyers are so unpopular - so many are in the larval stage of politicians
 



Bankers? Wednesdayites?

Anyway, we'll soon know if there's any mileage in this. Martin Samuel is sure to mention it in tomorrows Mail. :fatbastard:
 
Its too late to appeal for starters
and rules of a competition are not subject to outside law

ie if a player hits another player on the park the police don,t arrest them for assault

Plus shared ownership is banned for a reason , to stop collusion , 1 chairman cant be at 2 clubs , but you can be on several boards in business in the same way 2 chairmen cant share the ownership of 1 player as it could lead to fixing games
All sports are exempt from business rules as there is need to make sure competition is between seperate entities
partial ownership blurs this and cant be acceptable
You can part own a horse, but thats about it , mainly as you cant tell a horse to play less energetically
 
Its too late to appeal for starters
and rules of a competition are not subject to outside law

ie if a player hits another player on the park the police don,t arrest them for assault
That's wrong for starters. In 1994 Duncan Ferguson was arrested, tried and convicted of assault for an on-field head-butt against John McStay of Raith Rovers while he was a Rangers player. He got three months.

Edit - Chris Kamara was found guilty of GBH, fined £1200 and had to pay £250 compensation after breaking another player's cheekbone with his elbow.

The law of the land is rarely troubled by on-pitch affairs, but it can and will be applied when it has to be. Otherwise what would happen for example if a player murdered another during a game? "Sorry, but the ref did give him a yellow card"? No.

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scottish law

a rule on its own
free university tuition there too
1 example in 40 years , believe theres been more than that


but competition rules are just that

rules for a competition
like precluding people who work for lotto buying tickets

isnt that against human rights if you come at from another angle

We are talking sport , where influences must ,must be in house to protect the legitimacy of the competition
third party ownership is full of anomalies and must be kept out of sport
 
I don't want to step into Dazza's territory, but there is a Statute of Limitations Act which specifies how long after an event legal action can be started. For simple contract cases it is 6 years.
 

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