Treacy v Cotterill

[Jim Chimmerney]

This isn't particularly pro Cotts or against Treacy but can anyone tell me what Treacy has given the team this season over and above what Cotts has done in his time here and why he seems to be 1st name on the team sheet whether fit or not ?

He's looked good in patches but how many times has he beaten a defender, how many times has he put in telling crosses, in relation to what Cotts has done (or not done) on the other side ?

I suspect the answer, from Blackwell's point of view, is that he gets back and defends more but is that the major factor in how he's picking his wingers ?

Cotts aside, Kyel Reid must be wondering why he bothered.

 

[MAQ]

This isn't particularly pro Cotts or against Treacy but can anyone tell me what Treacy has given the team this season over and above what Cotts has done in his time here and why he seems to be 1st name on the team sheet whether fit or not ?

He's looked good in patches but how many times has he beaten a defender, how many times has he put in telling crosses, in relation to what Cotts has done (or not done) on the other side ?

I suspect the answer, from Blackwell's point of view, is that he gets back and defends more but is that the major factor in how he's picking his wingers ?

Cotts aside, Kyel Reid must be wondering why he bothered.

For me the one thing that had been proven in Cotts time here has been that he seems to be a "back end of the season" kind of player. Afte Christmas he seems to improve no-end and is more the player that we all expect.

As for the defending, when he has played there have been examples of how his defending has improved from when he first joined.

Treacy does seem to be the favoured thing at the minute, and on occasions i would agree he is what we need, however like most players we have at the minute, his consistency is lacking.

As for Reid, i also have wondered why he bothered, and to that extent why we bothered. From what ive seen of him i wouldnt put him in the reserves side. but thats just my opinion from the evidence that i have seen so far.

 

[Revolution]

For me the one thing that had been proven in Cotts time here has been that he seems to be a "back end of the season" kind of player. Afte Christmas he seems to improve no-end and is more the player that we all expect.

This is probably related to the fact that he is given a run in the side and actually gets to start games. I remain of the view that he would be an "all season" player if he was picked all season.

Is it true that Treacy was suffering from flu or something last night? If so, couldn't we have reshuffled and one of our other 3 wingers played in his place? He did not play well.

 

[prescotblade]

The mystery of Cotts i suspect if he goes to Swansea, hopefully not, we will all see what we are missing out on

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

The mystery of Cotts i suspect if he goes to Swansea, hopefully not, we will all see what we are missing out on

I think he'll do a good job anywhere in this division given a run of games. OK, he'll lose the ball sometimes, name me a winger at this level who doesn't. OK, he won't track back as well as others, but as you say, if he does go to Swansea (and I'll be amazed if he doesn't), he'll be back in my fantasy football team !

 

[Wards]

I've actually thought Treacey has been one of our better players this year! Usually looks to make things happen, not afraid to hold the ball, gets stuck in and generally finds a man with a pass. The others could learn a great deal.

 

[sitwell]

I think there is room for both of them ,a front 4 of Cotterill Hendo Ward and Treacy has a lot of pace and ammunition ,but we worry too much about the other end as usual.
For Kyel reid ,see Nathan Dyer.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I think there is room for both of them ,a front 4 of Cotterill Hendo Ward and Treacy has a lot of pace and ammunition ,but we worry too much about the other end as usual.
For Kyel reid ,see Nathan Dyer.

I agree there's room for both but my point is why does Treacy seemingly get much more of a chance than Cotts when their output, for me, has been pretty similar.

It will be interesting to see what he does with the front 6 now Hendo is suspended because I think a pairing of Evans and Ward will be much more effective than Hendo and Evans.

Cotts, Harper, Williamson, Treacy
Evans, Ward

for me.

 

[HoodedClaw]

This isn't particularly pro Cotts or against Treacy but can anyone tell me what Treacy has given the team this season over and above what Cotts has done in his time here and why he seems to be 1st name on the team sheet whether fit or not ?

He's looked good in patches but how many times has he beaten a defender, how many times has he put in telling crosses, in relation to what Cotts has done (or not done) on the other side ?

I suspect the answer, from Blackwell's point of view, is that he gets back and defends more but is that the major factor in how he's picking his wingers ?

Cotts aside, Kyel Reid must be wondering why he bothered.

This is the most important factor in Blackwells mind when selecting players, and you cant argue with it either considering the amount of time we give the ball away

 

[super_pig]

i don't get it either.. some people seem to have it in for cotterill .. lord knows why.. he makes most of our chances (see newcastle match).. he is the only player on the team who can kick the ball properly for a start off.. tracey is a show pony who wowed the dumb ass masses with his 30 yard (fluke?) early season..
people moan about him losing the ball.. if hoofing the ball aimlessly down the field is not losing the ball then i don't know what is.. poor lad usually gets brought on ten minutes before the end.. {say in hollywood trailer voice}..'david cotterill now has ten minutes to save the world'
another thing. if you were cotts would you be pulling out all of the stops to save a manager who won't give you a game?

 

[Houso]

"(fluke?)"

Huh?

(Cotts fan here - but like Treacy too)

 

[Guesty]

Treacy hasn't been the same since the injury, before that though him and Ward seemed to terrify peole dow the flanks and Treacy seemed to be the main man in terms of making things happen. He clearly wasn't fit on his first appearance back after injury and that might have knocked him back a bit.

I'm a fan of Cotterill too mind. People seem to expect consistency from wingers, but who gives you that. Old timers will tell you (they certainly tell me anyway) that Woodward could be completely anonymous for long periods, but when people remember him they remember the thunderbolts and those corners. Now I'm not saying our current crop are anything like in his league but my point is wingers, even the great ones, tend to fade and disappear a lot.

 

[super_pig]

>Huh?
means could or could not have been a fluke .. insert opinion here type of thing.. sorry it is old netspeak.. by the evidence of his shooting since.. i'm inclined to think it might have been..
(also cotts fan)

 

[super_pig]

>since the injury
yeah i forgot about that. .fair point

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Treacy hasn't been the same since the injury

You mean since the injur(ies) and illnesses. The worrying thing is, he came with a reputation of being injury prone and his time with us only backs that up. This kind of backs up my point though that he still finds himself in the team despite being injured, coming back from injury or not 100% fit.

 

[Guesty]

Yep he's had a few, I meant specifically the knee one where he was expected to be out until Christmas and Sam Ellis gave that nasty interview about it not being cartilage damage. Ellis said he'd be back on Saturday and he was shoved on despite clearly not being fit and it seems to have knocked him out of his stride. I can't remember the match he came back for, was it Ipswich?

 

[puppet]

Treacy hasn't been the same since the injury, before that though him and Ward seemed to terrify peole dow the flanks and Treacy seemed to be the main man in terms of making things happen. He clearly wasn't fit on his first appearance back after injury and that might have knocked him back a bit.

I'm a fan of Cotterill too mind. People seem to expect consistency from wingers, but who gives you that. Old timers will tell you (they certainly tell me anyway) that Woodward could be completely anonymous for long periods, but when people remember him they remember the thunderbolts and those corners. Now I'm not saying our current crop are anything like in his league but my point is wingers, even the great ones, tend to fade and disappear a lot.

bang on! cotterill only needs to drop three great crosses in 90 minutes and henderson would have a hat-trick every game, or evans/ward would mop up the rebounds.

 

[sitwell]

bang on! cotterill only needs to drop three great crosses in 90 minutes and henderson would have a hat-trick every game, or evans/ward would mop up the rebounds.

Why can we all see this but Blackwell and Ellis don't ?
They would rather go and look at what Andy Leaning has drawn on his pad.

 

[Kentblade]

Why can we all see this but Blackwell and Ellis don't ?
They would rather go and look at what Andy Leaning has drawn on his pad.

He seemed very busy drawing on his pad last night.
Cotterill deserves to have a run in the side as imo we create more chances when he is in the side.
Yes I know he can be a little inconsistant but he is a winger, not a full back and by we need to have that width in the side.
I am afraid that he will never get a regular place under Blackwell and will more than likely move on in January.
We are playing some dire football, probably the worst it has been for many a year.
UTB

 

[Jacko]

For me too

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

Am a fan of Cotts and think he should be involved more but I also think that Treacy has been one of our better players. He is the most direct winger we have in terms of attacking the full back and he has quick feet - his shot against the post last night after bamboozling three defenders for example. His goal against Leicester was quality too. I think we must have got a number of goals via Keef as well. I do like him and would not complain at all if we made him a permanent signing.

 

[Foxy]

This isn't particularly pro Cotts or against Treacy but can anyone tell me what Treacy has given the team this season over and above what Cotts has done in his time here and why he seems to be 1st name on the team sheet whether fit or not ?

He's looked good in patches but how many times has he beaten a defender, how many times has he put in telling crosses, in relation to what Cotts has done (or not done) on the other side ?

I think you are being a bit harsh on Treacy, I'd suggest he's put in more crosses that anyone in the squad. He's also put in a number of great balls that we've failed to capitalise on. He also tends to mix it up and is more consistant than Cotts.

I can't think of anyone (off hand) who's got as many assists as Treacy either.

To me, Treacy is a promising young player who offers something different to the others we have in the squad.

I'd rate Cotts the same, but he's not as consistant and goes missing more.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Cotterill interviewed about his situation:

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/Sheffield-United-39Frustrated39-winger-Cotterill.5823173.jp

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Cotterill interviewed about his situation:

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....ed-39Frustrated39-winger-Cotterill.5823173.jp

Doesn't sound like he wants to go anywhere does it?

We should be looking to liberate the attacking players from defensive duties anyway, not asking them to fulfill a role that they're no good at.

It seems blackwell is wedded to a formations this season where wingers need to track back, which for me is completely arse about face.

Admittedly at the moment he's a bit limited with players being injured/suspended, but when we've got a 3/4 fit squad i don't see why we can't have a highly mobile front three of Ward, Evans and cotterill/Treacy, with a midfield three of Monty, Harper & Williamson protecting the back four.

 

[boo radley]

We should be looking to liberate the attacking players from defensive duties anyway, not asking them to fulfill a role that they're no good at.

So chelsea should not bring droghba back to defend corners and the same for rooney and the best clearance of the season was by a certain james BT defending?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I think you are being a bit harsh on Treacy, I'd suggest he's put in more crosses that anyone in the squad. He's also put in a number of great balls that we've failed to capitalise on. He also tends to mix it up and is more consistant than Cotts.

I can't think of anyone (off hand) who's got as many assists as Treacy either.

To me, Treacy is a promising young player who offers something different to the others we have in the squad.

I'd rate Cotts the same, but he's not as consistant and goes missing more.

I'm not saying Treacy hasn't done what you've said Foxy, all I'm saying is that I don't think he's offered a great deal more than Cotts has in his time with us. It's OK to say Treacy's put more crosses in than anyone else but Cotts isn't playing !

So chelsea should not bring droghba back to defend corners and the same for rooney and the best clearance of the season was by a certain james BT defending?

It's catch 22, the more players the defending team bring back for a corner, the more players the oppositon can throw in the box. I appreciate attackers are often the taller players in the team but why not leave 3 or 4 'upfield', the opposition then have to macth them.

 

[boo radley]

I'm not saying Treacy hasn't done what you've said Foxy, all I'm saying is that I don't think he's offered a great deal more than Cotts has in his time with us. It's OK to say Treacy's put more crosses in than anyone else but Cotts isn't playing !




It's catch 22, the more players the defending team bring back for a corner, the more players the oppositon can throw in the box. I appreciate attackers are often the taller players in the team but why not leave 3 or 4 'upfield', the opposition then have to macth them.

Treacy shoots a lot more and has a better shot than cotts. I like Cotts but the defensive point does come in to it.We are a team as a whole not a defence attack and midfield. If Kyle goes on a run and puts across in from near the corner flag who covers the right back position? you wont get a midfield player saying its not my responsibility.

As for the corner it is an attacking phase of play that needs to be defended. The breakdown of that attack may result in a quick breakaway but you have 90yards to go to the opositions goal how many times will that breakdown before you get 1 success? you are hoping that the 1st pass which is likely to be 30 to 40 yrds will get to 1 of your 4 players you have left up, if the defence is2 plus the goalkeeper the keeper almost becomes sweeper for the very long ball. if the balls are played shorter then the players who were up for the corners may have time to get goal side of the ball.

 

[Revolution]

Treacy shoots a lot more and has a better shot than cotts.

And yet both have scored the same number of goals from open play, with Treacy playing about twice as many minutes....

Cotterill is the best crosser of the ball at the club, bar none.

 

[Bergen Blade]

So chelsea should not bring droghba back to defend corners and the same for rooney and the best clearance of the season was by a certain james BT defending?

Bringing tall and strong players back for defensive set pieces is something all teams do, and the players you mentioned are both pretty good at it. The Beattie tackle was superb, but it's not like it's our tactic to rely on our striker catching up with players through on goal.

 

[boo radley]

Bringing tall and strong players back for defensive set pieces is something all teams do, and the players you mentioned are both pretty good at it. The Beattie tackle was superb, but it's not like it's our tactic to rely on our striker catching up with players through on goal.

You seem to be refering to the tackle in the FA cup against Middlesborough?
I'm refering to his clearance this season off the line for stoke i cannot remember who against.
I never said we should rely on our striker catching up with players through on goal but if they were in a position closest to the player through on goal would you expect him to try?
Question: little Jamie Ward does not come and defend in our box at set pieces but how many times have you seen him work from front to back and then back to front?