The table doesn't lie..

[shorehamview]

We've had the argument that says the table lies.

Clearly it doesn't. We are in the bottom three for one simple reason - we haven't been good enough so far. Perhaps we might manage to get a few wins and weasel out of the relegation zone, but frankly I can't see it happening.

Is the table lying now?

 

[dingledog]

Spot on, we are where we are because we are a very poor team. We haven't won this year and I can't see that altering.

 

[Zlatan]

Yes it is. We should probably be bottom.

 

[Coily]

Is the table lying now?

It rarely does. What I don't get is that according to Giddings and Edwards on RS we were excellent and really unlucky. But we only had two shots on target all game, that can't be right can it? Can't create, can't score, can't keep clean sheets, screams relegation.

Urgh...

 

[Kev Gee]

Mickey clear the decks for life in League 1.
We need to get things in place now. The current first team squad are no-were near good enough.

 

[Bladesman]

Our problem this season is we have made the same mistakes as we did last season.

Too many loan players and then the awful awful fitness of some of the players we have signed perminatly or on loan. I mean a slight breeze could keep some of our squad out for nearly a month.

I totally agree with SV the table does not lie but I hope none of our fans think this just happens to be an "unlucky" season because we have been on the slide since 2007. I knew last season that unless some positive moves were made in the summer we were on a road to relegation.

 

[breeny]

I actually seriously considered the possibility of finishing bottom earlier...

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

When was the last time we finished bottom of a league?

 

[axel smeets]

1976, Division One.

 

[Bergen Blade]

I've seen many reports this season saying we've been unlucky, referees' decisions have gone against us, we've lost despite having had some good chances, etc. Many posters have said after games that it'll be fine and they've taken confidence from games despite us losing. I've sometimes wondered, what if these games have been our good performances, the ones that usually have brought us wins, even big wins. Whereas this season we don't even win on our good days. Teams that go down don't play crap in every game, and IF things don't pick up, I fear that this season will be nothing more than a average, normal and pretty much deserved relegation. In contrast to the 2006/2007 and 1993/94 relegations, which both were quite spectacular.

Having said that, there is still enough points to play for, and I still think we have a decent chance to stay up. It's very much dependant on us getting the tactics spot on though. And with our main problem being our lack of goals, we have to hope that Adams dares picking the attacking options. I thought today didn't sound too bad, and we're not far from fielding a decent, balanced first eleven. Leave Cresswell on the bench, play Yeates for Quinn and maybe one more attacking full back. That will give us a bit more going forward, then let's hope Scunthorpe on Tuesday can be the start of our revival.

 

[gavtheblade]

bollox to all of this `luck`jargon.
``Are qpr top of the league because they are lucky?NO,they are top because they are a good team with good players with a good manager who knows how to play that division.
Are we so unlucky to be just about bottom?NO,we are a poor side with poor players with a hierarchy who are still wanting prawn sarnies instead of a good outfield set up.Its become clear to me this last few weeks that the biggest bollock dropped of all this season was the managerial appointment of gary speed,im sorry,but the lack of result came from lack of expierience at a time when we needed a kick up the arse.Mickey adams should av been appointed then as i feel he would have been the stop gap for us to stop the rot.
Unfortunately now,the rot has set well and truely in.terminally.
blow the whistle on this season ref,ive had fucking enough.

 

[puppet]

bollox to all of this `luck`jargon.
``Are qpr top of the league because they are lucky?NO,they are top because they are a good team with good players with a good manager who knows how to play that division.
Are we so unlucky to be just about bottom?NO,we are a poor side with poor players with a hierarchy who are still wanting prawn sarnies instead of a good outfield set up.Its become clear to me this last few weeks that the biggest bollock dropped of all this season was the managerial appointment of gary speed,im sorry,but the lack of result came from lack of expierience at a time when we needed a kick up the arse.Mickey adams should av been appointed then as i feel he would have been the stop gap for us to stop the rot.
Unfortunately now,the rot has set well and truely in.terminally.
blow the whistle on this season ref,ive had fucking enough.

surely speed (and carver) both did better than adams?

 

[sitwell]

Did you watch Utd under Speed ? Got to say we have more ideas and more entertainment and more future under Adams.

 

[gavtheblade]

Did you watch Utd under Speed ? Got to say we have more ideas and more entertainment and more future under Adams.

here here-speed has got to cut his teeth yet-wrong club-wrong time for us,he needed a stable club to mark his patch.It would have been difficult for him to make a name for him self at the lane.

 

[oldblade]

1976, Division One.

And that was when we set a club record for a winless sequence. 19 games. Well, we're now up to 11 and counting.

If we don't win on Tusesday night I think there are only remaining matches that give any hope of victory - Derby at home and Preston away.

 

[Ollessendro]

We've had the argument that says the table lies.

Clearly it doesn't. We are in the bottom three for one simple reason - we haven't been good enough so far. Perhaps we might manage to get a few wins and weasel out of the relegation zone, but frankly I can't see it happening.

Is the table lying now?

I am guessing this is aimed at me. WeBlades are frustrated (and we have indeed had a few run ins SV) but I do notsee what value we get from soe Ollessendro bashing, or from raising thi argument again.

The bottom 5 is not lying. United, Preston and Scunny are the worst 3 teams in the division. Palace and Bristol are wank, but a little better. I would put Donny, Coventry and Boro ever so slightmy higher than them.

I think the league table is still lying, but not in our case. We deserve to be where we are, or even lower. I think Reading are in a deflated position, as are Ipswich and Boro. I also think that Leeds, Norwich, Milwall and Hull are in inflated positions.

In terms of United we deserve to be in the bottm hree and adrift. We are destined to play in the third tier next year and there is little that Micky Mouse can do about it!

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I think that there's an awful lot than Micky can do about it.

We're past the point of playing defensively and hoping for the odd goal. We need to go out there and attack teams, and that means Yeates and Riise on from the start, supported by 2 fullbacks that are willing to get up the pitch and support their wingers.

If that means we're vulnerable to the counter then so be it. We need goals now.

 

[shorehamview]

I am guessing this is aimed at me......

Only a little bit. My main point/grumble is that we are where we deserve to be. That's it. The table isn't lying - we are at the arse end of it because our performances so far have got us here. Good or bad play, good or bad luck, we've simply not got enough points to be anywhere else.

It's mainly directed at us being shit, with perhaps just a little nudge in the ribs aimed at you. I thought you were coming up for a pint of two before a home match anyway, so we could take the piss face to face?

Get yersen up north lad. :drunk:

 

[Jehovah]

1. We have been infeasably unlucky all season.
The dodgy last min pen at Leicester
The dodgy pen given at Norwich despite having a blatant one turned down
The 2 dodgy goals Norwich scored at the lane despite us battering them
Battering leicester to pieces and losing 0-1
Battering Ipswich at home and losing 1-2
Destroying scunny and losing 0-4
Just because it sounds like a broken record does not mean it is untrue.

2. The table does lie. We Should never have finished in the bottom 3 in the prem. We played teams at full strength while others played weaker sides. At the moment, I do not believe we are in the bottom 3 shittiest sides in the division.

 

[shorehamview]

2. The table does lie. We Should never have finished in the bottom 3 in the prem. We played teams at full strength while others played weaker sides. At the moment, I do not believe we are in the bottom 3 shittiest sides in the division.

We've argued this back and forth before, Ollesendro and I. The table records wins, draws, losses, goals scored and goals conceded. It doesn't take into account luck, dodgy decisions, rain, snow, werewolves, vampires, pies, money or pixies. It records the outcome of matches, not how those outcomes were achieved. That's it's job, and therefore it can't lie. We are in the bottom three. The table shows this. That's it's job.

Luck, batterings and existentialism in the modern game are not recorded.

That's not the job of the table. You can't measure "luck" in the same way you can't measure "love".

 

[silverfox]

You can't measure "luck" in the same way you can't measure "love".

Cue keenzy and mousey with their tapes out.

 

[puppet]

Did you watch Utd under Speed ? Got to say we have more ideas and more entertainment and more future under Adams.

i saw the portsmouth game. reminded me of adrian heath-ish style. my point was we achieved wins under those two.

 

[Ollessendro]

Only a little bit. My main point/grumble is that we are where we deserve to be. That's it. The table isn't lying - we are at the arse end of it because our performances so far have got us here. Good or bad play, good or bad luck, we've simply not got enough points to be anywhere else.

It's mainly directed at us being shit, with perhaps just a little nudge in the ribs aimed at you. I thought you were coming up for a pint of two before a home match anyway, so we could take the piss face to face?

Get yersen up north lad. :drunk:

I'll PM you when I am next up. I was in the Lion recently, but I had no idea what you looked like!

(actually agree zith all the other stuff. Only a stark raving loony, or someone wearing Elton John style Red and White spectacles, would argue that we don't deserve to be in the bottom 3. We may even end up finishin bottom).

 

[Jehovah]

We've argued this back and forth before, Ollesendro and I. The table records wins, draws, losses, goals scored and goals conceded. It doesn't take into account luck, dodgy decisions, rain, snow, werewolves, vampires, pies, money or pixies. It records the outcome of matches, not how those outcomes were achieved. That's it's job, and therefore it can't lie. We are in the bottom three. The table shows this. That's it's job.

Luck, batterings and existentialism in the modern game are not recorded.

That's not the job of the table. You can't measure "luck" in the same way you can't measure "love".

Yes, I agree. I am just making the point that finishing in the bottom 3 does not necerssarily mean you were one of the 3 shittest teams in the league. That is because of all the factors you mentioned, luck, weaking a team, werewolves etc.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

The table doesn't lie. We've only scored 28 goals in 32 games which quite frankly, is fkng shocking.

 

[Bladesman]

The table doesn't lie. We've only scored 28 goals in 32 games which quite frankly, is fkng shocking.

We have only won 7 of 32 games that says it all but we were shit at scoring last season but still managed to get wins.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

The table doesn't lie. We've only scored 28 goals in 32 games which quite frankly, is fkng shocking.

Alot of the blame has to lie with Evans. not nice to single him out but god he's shit.

Still waiting for this "he'll come good", only if he does a five knuckle shuffle. Even then he'd probably miss the tissue.

 

[dingledog]

I was in the Lion recently, but I had no idea what you looked like!

Its not a pretty sight I can guarentee you that!!!

 

[Guesty]

1. We have been infeasably unlucky all season.
The dodgy last min pen at Leicester
The dodgy pen given at Norwich despite having a blatant one turned down
The 2 dodgy goals Norwich scored at the lane despite us battering them
Battering leicester to pieces and losing 0-1
Battering Ipswich at home and losing 1-2
Destroying scunny and losing 0-4
Just because it sounds like a broken record does not mean it is untrue.

2. The table does lie. We Should never have finished in the bottom 3 in the prem. We played teams at full strength while others played weaker sides. At the moment, I do not believe we are in the bottom 3 shittiest sides in the division.

Yet you fail to mention Bogdanovic's two recent, very soft penalties that have earned us points. Or Calve's once in a lifetime strike to win against Pompey (I think) which would otherwise have been a draw. Luck goes both ways, but people don't want to recognise that.

Outplaying a team but losing 4-0 because you failed to score and failed to stop them scoring four times isn't bad luck, it's incompetence.

 

[Bladesman]

Yet you fail to mention Bogdanovic's two recent, very soft penalties that have earned us points. Or Calve's once in a lifetime strike to win against Pompey (I think) which would otherwise have been a draw. Luck goes both ways, but people don't want to recognise that.

Outplaying a team but losing 4-0 because you failed to score and failed to stop them scoring four times isn't bad luck, it's incompetence.

Exactly

Can't pin bad luck on performances this season I mean the strikeforce have usually hit everything but the back of the net.