The strange case of N. Zätterström

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KMC-1889 said:
How on earth have we’ve spent millions on a player no one rates? I can understand the signings from Bulgaria cause they’ve been cheap punts but we spent decent wedge on Zatterstrom.

I refuse to believe that a player we put so much effort in for (we had to dick about with Caceres to open up an ESC spot) and spent so much money on arrives at Bramall lane and can’t play football to U21 level.

In a way I hope it’s attitude/personality driven because the alternative is gross misconduct by multiple people at the club and should really result in people losing their jobs.
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If we spent a million or even a couple of million on him, surely someone watched him play a few times and it wasn’t purely AI?

If he’s not even up to U21 standard then I agree, there has to be changes in the recruitment team.
 



YES Blade said:
If we spent a million or even a couple of million on him, surely someone watched him play a few times and it wasn’t purely AI?

If he’s not even up to U21 standard then I agree, there has to be changes in the recruitment team.
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There has been ...bord is gone
 
This thread title sounds like something that you would come across on Talking Pictures or Rewind TV.

A young foreigner arrives in England only to immediately disapear again. The man he was purported to have met, a Ruben Selles (also a foreign gentleman) also mysteriously disapears shortly after. Supposedly taking the early train out of Sheffield after being pursued through the streets by an angry group of balding men in their sixties believed to belong to an equally mysterious organisation known only by a series of letters and numbers.

In episode 2, two shadowy American men, believe to be rich beyond belief make a brief appearance then also disapear without a trace but not before they re-introduce a shadowy figure from the past, Christopher Wilder, who also it turns out disapeared himself on two occasions previously, to the angry group of balding men in their sixties who themselves may or may not actually exist outside of something known as 'the Blades forum.'
 
KMC-1889 said:
How on earth have we’ve spent millions on a player no one rates? I can understand the signings from Bulgaria cause they’ve been cheap punts but we spent decent wedge on Zatterstrom.

I refuse to believe that a player we put so much effort in for (we had to dick about with Caceres to open up an ESC spot) and spent so much money on arrives at Bramall lane and can’t play football to U21 level.

In a way I hope it’s attitude/personality driven because the alternative is gross misconduct by multiple people at the club and should really result in people losing their jobs.
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The people you talk of have left the club( Bord & Sellers ) not the players fault as he signed in good faith.
Highly rated in Sweden i don't think he would have played for them if he is crap.Must have been a whirlwind period for him ,coming to England and then whisked off to Italy.Just 21 maybe has something to offer,he has the physical attributes.
 
finlaytheblade said:
The people you talk of have left the club( Bord & Sellers ) not the players fault as he signed in good faith.
Highly rated in Sweden i don't think he would have played for them if he is crap.Must have been a whirlwind period for him ,coming to England and then whisked off to Italy.Just 21 maybe has something to offer,he has the physical attributes.
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You think Selles bought em lol.

One of the key men is still here, Bettis.
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
I mean, it's hardly a Zätterström-specific issue, is it?

It's also a Ukaki, Nwachukwu and Polendakov issue.
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Now if only there was a link

Tarqs said:
You think Selles bought em lol.

One of the key men is still here, Bettis.
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Bord and THE board were the ones who suddenly switched to a data first direction. You think Bettis was fan when all the other evidence since he's been here hasn't been that model? Please explain why?!
 
Berkshire Blade said:
Now if only there was a link


Bord and THE board were the ones who suddenly switched to a data first direction. You think Bettis was fan when all the other evidence since he's been here hasn't been that model? Please explain why?!
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Who actually signs them?

Who signed Chong, Ogbene, Matos, McGuinness?
 
finlaytheblade said:
The people you talk of have left the club( Bord & Sellers ) not the players fault as he signed in good faith.
Highly rated in Sweden i don't think he would have played for them if he is crap.Must have been a whirlwind period for him ,coming to England and then whisked off to Italy.Just 21 maybe has something to offer,he has the physical attributes.
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There’s absolutely no way Selles was involved in the Zatterstrom transfer because he didn’t play him either.

Regardless of how the player was identified who scouted him? and if we didn’t scout him why did we spend so much money on him?

Bord & Selles are useful scapegoats for the true culprits of our mismanagement (it’s not the first window that’s been a shit show is it?), all of which are still at the club and there seems to very little desire to change.

Wilder needs support from a competent senior management team that isn’t in place right now.
 
finlaytheblade said:
The people you talk of have left the club( Bord & Sellers ) not the players fault as he signed in good faith.
Highly rated in Sweden i don't think he would have played for them if he is crap.Must have been a whirlwind period for him ,coming to England and then whisked off to Italy.Just 21 maybe has something to offer,he has the physical attributes.
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He’s barely played for us or his loan club.

Played for Sweden? So did Olsen and he’s piss poor too.
 
Tarqs said:
No grudge, but Bettis has played a key role at the club overseeing some atrocious transfer windows... and im dating back years.
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Been some bad. Some good. For most his time we have been a premier league/top of championship ability club. That's not terrible. What was terrible was the change from that set up last summer.
 
KMC-1889 said:
There’s absolutely no way Selles was involved in the Zatterstrom transfer because he didn’t play him either.

Regardless of how the player was identified who scouted him? and if we didn’t scout him why did we spend so much money on him?

Bord & Selles are useful scapegoats for the true culprits of our mismanagement (it’s not the first window that’s been a shit show is it?), all of which are still at the club and there seems to very little desire to change.

Wilder needs support from a competent senior management team that isn’t in place right now.
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Based on the interview Zatterstrom has made this year about his impending future it sounds like Selles "brought him in". Well sort of.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/h...d-united-future-chris-wilder/#google_vignette

But I believe it was a Bord/AI signing sanctioned or approved by Ruben. In fact nearly all of last summers recruits were put through the AI system to "assess" how they would benefit us.
I think the one's that didn't hinge on it were the likes of Ings, Mee and Barry who Selles had worked with before.

This includes Selles himself. Pretty much no interview process at all. AI determined that he would work well within this new data driven setup and he was called on told the job was his if he wanted it... I'm OK with this approach if we were bringing in someone like Klopp.
But even last summer looking at his achievements I did think this is a big risk and I hope they know what they are doing. It was a strange time to chuck that sort of gamble with 1 year left of parachute.
 



CPB said:
Based on the interview Zatterstrom has made this year about his impending future it sounds like Selles "brought him in". Well sort of.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/h...d-united-future-chris-wilder/#google_vignette

But I believe it was a Bord/AI signing sanctioned or approved by Ruben. In fact nearly all of last summers recruits were put through the AI system to "assess" how they would benefit us.
I think the one's that didn't hinge on it were the likes of Ings, Mee and Barry who Selles had worked with before.

This includes Selles himself. Pretty much no interview process at all. AI determined that he would work well within this new data driven setup and he was called on told the job was his if he wanted it... I'm OK with this approach if we were bringing in someone like Klopp.
But even last summer looking at his achievements I did think this is a big risk and I hope they know what they are doing. It was a strange time to chuck that sort of gamble with 1 year left of parachute.
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If Selles was was able to source players and negotiate a price and contract without the CEO being involved then the CEO needs sacking for negligence.

There is no version of events where this isn’t the wider teams fault, an why I’m so nervous about this summer. Who in that room is going to challenge wilder if a signing isn’t right if they didn’t have the balls to challenge Selles or Bord? And if they aren’t going to challenge colleagues what’s the point in them being there?
 
KMC-1889 said:
If Selles was was able to source players and negotiate a price and contract without the CEO being involved then the CEO needs sacking for negligence.

There is no version of events where this isn’t the wider teams fault, a why I’m so nervous about this summer. Who in that room is going to challenge wilder if a signing isn’t right if they didn’t have the balls to challenge Selles or Bord? And if they aren’t going to challenge colleagues what’s the point in them being there?
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What challenge would you expect an administrator to have around someone’s footballing credentials though? If he’d have said that Zatterstrom was shit and he wasn’t signing him would the football people have listened to him?

Bettis is responsible for having good people in place to make the correct decisions. This is where the criticism comes from me if it goes wrong. However, in his defence he was asked to use Bord/AI last year by the owners and therefore was just the signer of contracts rather than the challenger of whether they were right for the club or not.
 
Tarqs said:
What a great entry to a debate.

Take a win.
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I wasn't debating, I was telling you!
Bettis has nothing to do with transfers,
only with the financial side of things and negotiating, he does not ever choose players or get involved with that side of things but he has a veto if the financials do not work in terms of budgets etc
 
Espania blade said:
Stop talking rubbish and do your research on Bettis's job description
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Bettis is Chief Executive Officer and a member of the board.

His job has a legal definition, he has to protect investor interests. Controlling wasteful spend is an element of this. He’s been at the club for a decade, if he still didn’t know that Chong, or Matos, or Zatterstrom were a waste of money then he wants sacking for being a fucking moron.
 
Espania blade said:
I wasn't debating, I was telling you!
Bettis has nothing to do with transfers,
only with the financial side of things and negotiating, he does not ever choose players or get involved with that side of things but he has a veto if the financials do not work in terms of budgets etc
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What exactly are you telling me?

I was debating that over the past 5/6 seasons our transfer business has been absolutely woeful. He doesn't pick the players, but he certainly has a hand in the financials and as CEO he oversees it all.

He has been an ever present during that time.
 
KMC-1889 said:
Bettis is Chief Executive Officer and a member of the board.

His job has a legal definition, he has to protect investor interests. Controlling wasteful spend is an element of this. He’s been at the club for a decade, if he still didn’t know that Chong, or Matos, or Zatterstrom were a waste of money then he wants sacking for being a fucking moron.
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Putting the AI model to one side as we all now know that Bord the Fraud didn't have a clue other than poker chips. With Matos and Zatterstrom if they were done via standard scouting means, and they would have been cheaper, I would say it could have been potentially a justifiable gamble for 2 young players to go into the U21s and progress from there with game time.

Although signed on release Peck was picked up from Arsenal and then put through our system, Matos in theory could have been a similar prospect (I am not saying he is). All 3 are not suitable however and the long contracts drawn up and signed is bananas but I guess that is what you get for relying on other people.
 
KMC-1889 said:
Bettis is Chief Executive Officer and a member of the board
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KMC-1889 said:
if he still didn’t know that Chong, or Matos, or Zatterstrom were a waste of money then he wants sacking for being a fucking moron.
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Bettis is an administrator hes not a football man as such. Im pretty sure he isnt part of the recruitment team
Im not sure who has the final say on wages length of contract or how much the player is worth but Im pretty sure it wouldnt be Bettis alone if he even has any contribution to the final decision as long as the total outlay is within the budgets set
He doesnt go and scout Chong Matos or Zatterstrom. I doubt he would have even heard of the latter two

If youre going to lay blame at least make it plausible
 
KMC-1889 said:
If Selles was was able to source players and negotiate a price and contract without the CEO being involved then the CEO needs sacking for negligence.

There is no version of events where this isn’t the wider teams fault, an why I’m so nervous about this summer. Who in that room is going to challenge wilder if a signing isn’t right if they didn’t have the balls to challenge Selles or Bord? And if they aren’t going to challenge colleagues what’s the point in them being there?
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We have no option but to trust and back Wilder.

His last summer windows was:
McCallum (free)
Shackleton (free)
O’Hare (free)
Campbell (free)
Souttar (loan)
Rak Sakyi (loan)
Gilchrist (loan)
Burrows (£5m)
Cooper (£2m)
Moore (effectively a swap)

That’s not too shabby overall and we need to trust him to repeat something similar.

Players that went out that window include Osula, Bogle, Traore, Archer, Slimane & Trusty for approximately £47m.
 
SE1Blade said:
We have no option but to trust and back Wilder.

His last summer windows was:
McCallum (free)
Shackleton (free)
O’Hare (free)
Campbell (free)
Souttar (loan)
Rak Sakyi (loan)
Gilchrist (loan)
Burrows (£5m)
Cooper (£2m)
Moore (effectively a swap)

That’s not too shabby overall and we need to trust him to repeat something similar.

Players that went out that window include Osula, Bogle, Traore, Archer, Slimane & Trusty for approximately £47m.
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Want to go back a few more windows or are we not doing that game now?
 
Pedro Verde said:
Bettis is an administrator hes not a football man as such. Im pretty sure he isnt part of the recruitment team
Im not sure who has the final say on wages length of contract or how much the player is worth but Im pretty sure it wouldnt be Bettis alone if he even has any contribution to the final decision as long as the total outlay is within the budgets set
He doesnt go and scout Chong Matos or Zatterstrom. I doubt he would have even heard of the latter two

If youre going to lay blame at least make it plausible
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What are paying him to act as a CEO for then?
 



KMC-1889 said:
Bettis is Chief Executive Officer and a member of the board.

His job has a legal definition, he has to protect investor interests. Controlling wasteful spend is an element of this. He’s been at the club for a decade, if he still didn’t know that Chong, or Matos, or Zatterstrom were a waste of money then he wants sacking for being a fucking moron.
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He is not a football man, he wouldn't know how or bad these players were, that's not his job, everything else you said is correct
 
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