The Shit player myth

[alcoblade]

I think adkins has brought in five players either full time or on loan, Sharpe and woolford were playing in championship last year and the three loans Edgar, salmon and Hammond again were all playing last season at least in the division above, thats half a team of outfield players! Does make you wonder wether Swiss has a point, so where does the problem lay?

Sharp wasn't getting a game at Leeds - Edgar, Sammon and Coutts weren't getting games at Birmingham or Derby.

There is a clear pattern forming - we are signing players who are not good enough for the league above, in nothing more than hope that they will be too good for the league below. The reality is, the vast majority of our squad have found their level.

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[Ted Danson]

I think adkins has brought in five players either full time or on loan, Sharpe and woolford were playing in championship last year and the three loans Edgar, salmon and Hammond again were all playing last season at least in the division above, thats half a team of outfield players! Does make you wonder wether Swiss has a point, so where does the problem lay?

at the feet of Adkins, its the managers job to motivate players and he hasnt in the slightest, its the managers job to select the right players and he hasnt, its the managers job to sign the right players to compliment the team and he hasnt, just what the hell has mr clueless done right?

 

[alcoblade]

at the feet of Adkins, its the managers job to motivate players and he hasnt in the slightest, its the managers job to select the right players and he hasnt, its the managers job to sign the right players to compliment the team and he hasnt, just what the hell has mr clueless done right?

I can't make a case for anything going right. My only issue, which is actually more worrying, is that I don't think it's lack of motivation, which we could cure. It's a combination of basic lack of footballing ability and legs going, which we can't.

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[Wards]

I don't think the question of talent is really there. It's a question of application, desire and willingness to put in a honest shift that remains. You just get the feeling they're going through the motions.

 

[alcoblade]

I don't think the question of talent is really there. It's a question of application, desire and willingness to put in a honest shift that remains. You just get the feeling they're going through the motions.

You say you don't question the talent, so which of our players do you think could cut it in the championship? Not many, I'd suggest.

It's entirely about talent, of lack of it, in my opinion.

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[Dkc]

As I pointed out elsewhere, team v Spurs at home was Howard, Flynn, Basham, McEveley, Harris, Doyle (Reed - 65' ) JCR (Adams - 74' ), Scougall, Baxter, Murphy, McNulty (Higdon - 74' )

No Brayford, Done and Sharp

Average players can play well if they are motivated enough.

 

[Wards]

You say you don't question the talent, so which of our players do you think could cut it in the championship? Not many, I'd suggest.

It's entirely about talent, of lack of it, in my opinion.

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Fortunately we *only* need players for League 1 For now, so whether they're good enough for the Championship is immaterial at the moment. As alluded to the majority have played at a better standard so should be capable. I don't think we're getting the best out of a lot of them. Not sure we ever will if they don't have to heart to roll their sleeves up either.

 

[raul]

Speaking of whom, has anyone informed the authorities of his disappearance?

And if Adkins displayed any sign of mild disappointment from the touchline last night- tutting and stuff- might be wortkeeping an eye out for bodies washed ashore in Whitby too....

 

[alcoblade]

Fortunately we *only* need players for League 1 For now, so whether they're good enough for the Championship is immaterial at the moment. As alluded to the majority have played at a better standard so should be capable. I don't think we're getting the best out of a lot of them. Not sure we ever will if they don't have to heart to roll their sleeves up either.

That's surely not quite right though? If we have players who are only good enough for L1 then we end up in L1 - that's the point we're at now, and the point were trying to escape from. We need players who are better than that, players who could cope in the championship. As I've said, there's really not a huge difference between the two leagues.

As always, it doesn't have to be all 11 players - just the players in the key positions - the spine - but unfortunately just the positions where we are quite simply, fucking shite.

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[coaxingstar71]

I don't know what the problem is, I don't think it's just a lack of ability, unfortunately I think it's a combination of things. Words that spring to mind to describe last night are; inept, clueless and shambolic. The only time I can remember a similar performance to that was a League Cup game v Stockport in the mid 90's when we lost 5-2.
I don't even think it's "not trying", the team appears to have no belief, very little morale and are playing with fear, fear leads to mistakes, lack of concentration etc etc.

The point is that if they don't turn it round soon, we'll be looking at the wrong end of the table. Shades of 1981......

 

[TheBeard]

I think adkins has brought in five players either full time or on loan, Sharpe and woolford were playing in championship last year and the three loans Edgar, salmon and Hammond again were all playing last season at least in the division above, thats half a team of outfield players! Does make you wonder wether Swiss has a point, so where does the problem lay?

The problem lies in that he doesn't know his best 11, also we have too many of the same type of players. Baxter and Adams are not wingers, in Adkins words at the start of the season Basham is a central midfielder not a central defender. With all the central midfielders we have on the books not one is a ball winner and we don't have a box to box midfielder. We don't have a left midfielder ! Baxter needs to play behind the front two, not as a winger or a defensive midfielder if that is a luxury we can't afford at this level then get rid, but before we do we have to give him a few games regularly in this position to see if it works. We have Wallace, Hammond, Coutts, Basham, Scougal, Woolford, Reed, Cuvelier and more as central midfielders all similar type of players if you swap one for another aren't going to change your pattern of play

 

[him behind you]

id like to challenge the myth that the squad is shit.

Most of the current squad have played at a higher level than league one, some for long periods.

Most of them have voluntarily dropped down to this level to get some matches and success with a 'big club' in a little league

The players as individuals aren't all shit.

The problem is when they get together in a team they don't play as a team.

I think we have too many journeymen out for an easy payday.

We must have a clear out but to label the whole side as shit is inaccurate at best.

Fair points swiss and the one about journeymen is very true. However, they look like they don't give a toss most of the time and attitude is a major part of being a success in any walk of life. Therefore.as far as I'm concerned they're shit.

 

[super_pig]

I think adkins has brought in five players either full time or on loan, Sharpe and woolford were playing in championship last year and the three loans Edgar, salmon and Hammond again were all playing last season at least in the division above, thats half a team of outfield players! Does make you wonder wether Swiss has a point, so where does the problem lay?

that they were all playing well five years ago.. now they are all old, crocked, not bothered. we are a retirement home for journeymen

 

[alcoblade]

Don't misunderstand me, they're in league one for a reason, but how many of Shrewsbury's side have played at the levels our players have?

The point is that we've been favourites because we've got a squad of talented players.

Talent alone doesn't achieve promotion, the players don't have the desire to get out of this league.

In some ways, the likes of Kieran Wallace and Che can be expected to take more time to adjust to the step up, but for players like Baxter, basham, Sammon, sharp, Coutts, Collins, harris and freeman, there can be no excuses.

I don't believe that's so. We are favourites because no matter what we do, who we sign, bookies will make us favourites to beat Shrewsbury and Oldham to promotion.

We are like Englands's national team. Not very good, but inflated money has created an illusion of quality. It doesn't exist.

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[SwissBlade]

Swissblade out , no fully understand your reasoning, we do have some good players but collectively they don't always perform, is it Adkins who is not getting the balance right or the players just not giving a fuck. I for 1 think we can play good football but we should at times send it long to the front players instead of trying to do 1 touch football in the final 3rd.

I don't mind long or short passes, it's then fannying about in the final third which does my head in.

I've no patience for patience

 

[Dec]

Milwall and Blackpool were both relegated in the same season that we bought Basham and Woolford - says it all.

There's no great difference between the championship and league one - look at the teams who go up who seem to stay up. Buying players who aren't good enough for the championship is clearly no way of building a squad to get into it.

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I was merely saying that they were in fact bought after playing regularly at a higher level. I never said that meant they were automatically gonna be good.

I agree with you completely.

 

[Guesty]

I don't think it's a myth, in fact I think it's untrue that with a can-do attitude and a couple of recruits this team is capable of automatic.

I think the players in this team are far more rubbish than is widely realised.

 

[BushBlade]

Such a strange signing.

I wonder if he was signed to be an 'inside man'. Big up Adkins to the other players whilst letting him know which ones think he's a dick.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

I wonder if he was signed to be an 'inside man'. Big up Adkins to the other players whilst letting him know which ones think he's a dick.

Didn't Bassett say David White signed for us for that very reason?

 

[Guesty]

Didn't Bassett say David White signed for us for that very reason?

It's the most plausible explanation I've heard. Although wasn't his dad on the Board?

 

[Pollingtonblade]

It's the most plausible explanation I've heard. Although wasn't his dad on the Board?

You maybe right, just recall reading it in Dave Bassett book. Revolution may remember think he's read the book.

 

[judge]

As I pointed out elsewhere, team v Spurs at home was Howard, Flynn, Basham, McEveley, Harris, Doyle (Reed - 65' ) JCR (Adams - 74' ), Scougall, Baxter, Murphy, McNulty (Higdon - 74' )

No Brayford, Done and Sharp

Average players can play well if they are motivated enough.

I wouldnt use any of the cup games as an example of the players abilitys

They clearly raised their game in the same way that gillingham colchester and shrewsbury have raised theirs to hammer us

To me the cup runs were a great indication of where we were with the attitude of the players as i would expect to see that kind of attitude from.the players week in week out but this lot dont have the professional pride to know how to do that

So we are basically a plucky lg 1 cup team
Getting patted on the head and sent on our way

 

[robbiez666]

They aren't shit players but they don't give 100%. If you're playing at 70% against players in the same division who are giving 100% you will most likely lose. Because it's the difference between winning tackles, second balls and getting into goalscoring positions.

 

[bricktop]

You maybe right, just recall reading it in Dave Bassett book. Revolution may remember think he's read the book.

Yeah it is true. His old man Stewart White was a big pal of Mike McDonald.

It is also touched upon in fit and proper

 

[BushBlade]

Didn't Bassett say David White signed for us for that very reason?

Don't know but I doubt it. Bassett didn't need someone on the inside, he'd already signed all his mates.

Edit sorry you mean he was signed by the board to spy on Bassett. Plausible and it rings a bell. I meant Adkins signed Woolford to 'spy' on the players.

 

[northsomersetblade]

So now all agent Woolford has to do is get a secret message to Adkins that all the players are shit and then he can fix it. Top spy work. Respect.

 

[sheffielder]

id like to challenge the myth that the squad is shit.

Most of the current squad have played at a higher level than league one, some for long periods.

Most of them have voluntarily dropped down to this level to get some matches and success with a 'big club' in a little league

The players as individuals aren't all shit.

The problem is when they get together in a team they don't play as a team.

I think we have too many journeymen out for an easy payday.

We must have a clear out but to label the whole side as shit is inaccurate at best.

Most of the players careers are on the way down, so they lack heart they started with.

 

[Ashtonsmashton]

id like to challenge the myth that the squad is shit.

Most of the current squad have played at a higher level than league one, some for long periods.

Most of them have voluntarily dropped down to this level to get some matches and success with a 'big club' in a little league

The players as individuals aren't all shit.

The problem is when they get together in a team they don't play as a team.

I think we have too many journeymen out for an easy payday.

We must have a clear out but to label the whole side as shit is inaccurate at best.

Yet now most are way past it