The Scoogall "Rugby Tackle" in close up

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We all saw it on Sky, but what excuse has the ref for not giving a penalty?

Here it is in close up - pass the URL on to mates - surely we have to embarrass the ref into saying he made a mistake.

Thought he had a decent game otherwise, but what on earth was he thinking?



UTB
 



From the bits I saw on TFLS, the ref. had a 'mare. Their guys second yellow card - the one he was sent off for - would never had attracted a yellow in normal circumstances.

One of the worst I've seen all weekend was John Terry somehow escaping a yellow for his foul. As we've seen many times, he was 'testing the water' and knew the ref. was weak. Later in the game, two players were sent off and a mini-brawl ensued. Maybe if the ref. had been tougher on Terry, the latter scenarios wouldn't have occurred.
 
If the referee didn't see it then there is a precedent that there can be retrospective action taken against the player, like was the case for Morgan after the Arsenal game where he was banned for 6 matches after reviewing video evidence. Luckily the incident yesterday did not influence the outcome (apart from goal difference had we scored from the penalty).

The evidence should be also be used to assess whether the officials are competent to continue refereeing. The referee had almost an excuse for the "Baxter penalty" as his view was obstructed, but the Scougall one was pure incompetance
 
Bookers Mullet said:
the only reason (and i'm clutching at straws) he didn't give it, is he thought Scougs was unfairly backing into the defender. seriously the most ridiculous decision i've seen in a long time
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Scoogs was merely shielding the ball - you see scandalous "shielding" when a defender moves all over the place while letting the ball go out for a goal kick.

Whilst in possession, which he was immediately before he was just protecting the ball.

Anyone know the email of the boss of referees?

UTB
 
In other WWE related news, that's calling out for an "RKO out of nowhere" on Scougs ... :)

grafikhaus said:
From the bits I saw on TFLS, the ref. had a 'mare. Their guys second yellow card - the one he was sent off for - would never had attracted a yellow in normal circumstances.

One of the worst I've seen all weekend was John Terry somehow escaping a yellow for his foul. As we've seen many times, he was 'testing the water' and knew the ref. was weak. Later in the game, two players were sent off and a mini-brawl ensued. Maybe if the ref. had been tougher on Terry, the latter scenarios wouldn't have occurred.
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Agree with that about the second yellow card except for that he had booked a United player in the first half for the same thing. As soon as he did it, I said to my Dad that if he is consistent, that's a yellow card. I think he realised that he had no choice but to book him and then realised it would be the second yellow. You can see him mouth to the player about having no choice as he sends him off. I think the ref knew it was a soft red but that then maybe affected his decision on the Scougs penalty.
 
Would like to hear the referees thinking behind that as he had a perfect view of the incident. Also did anyone think Hanson was fortunate in the first half with the two challenges where he made contact with his arm / elbow. Both looked as if there was deliberate movement of the arm to make contact and were worthy of at least yellow cards.
 
The best part of the video is the referee coming into the picture, with the clearest view, shaking his head. Laughable.
 
grafikhaus said:
From the bits I saw on TFLS, the ref. had a 'mare. Their guys second yellow card - the one he was sent off for - would never had attracted a yellow in normal circumstances.

One of the worst I've seen all weekend was John Terry somehow escaping a yellow for his foul. As we've seen many times, he was 'testing the water' and knew the ref. was weak. Later in the game, two players were sent off and a mini-brawl ensued. Maybe if the ref. had been tougher on Terry, the latter scenarios wouldn't have occurred.
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Cynically holding back a player who's on his way into a good, attacking position is normally a yellow though (I agree with that rule because it stops a lot of good, exciting breaks). McEveley was lucky to escape one for the foul he made on Hanson first half, while Campbell-Ryce got his yellow for a similar offence just before half time.
 



At the end of the clip the ref points and says "throw him here so I can kick him too"
The ref needs to be brought to book for that, scougs if he had fell wrong could have been seriously injured, if that's not serious foul play or even a professional foul my name is Roller van de ball
 
So, the question is, is the club going to act retrospectively by asking the FA to consider the assault? Because that's what it was. It would have been more appropriate if a bouncer had removed a punter from a club for being drunk. All Scougall did was to protect the ball, and the defender unceremoniously decided that he wasn't having any of this and threw Scougall in sight of the referee. The referee has no defence, and the fact that he shook his head as if there was no foul is an indictment of his ability to take control of a professional game.
 
Bookers Mullet said:
the only reason (and i'm clutching at straws) he didn't give it, is he thought Scougs was unfairly backing into the defender. seriously the most ridiculous decision i've seen in a long time
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I looked at it closely to see whether Scougs was committing a foul himself but couldn't see anything but, as he didn't blow for a foul against him, he clearly wasn't. Ref took no action, to even up the sending off of the Bradford lad. It appears to me that Darby made a grab for Murps shirt but then thought better of it, ref though was probably seeing it from a different angle.
Surely the time has come for referees to have to explain some of their decisions post match to supporters. After the Palace match, you just knew that Warnock was going to be berating the referee but having watched the incidents on MOTD, you can understand why. These incidents seem to happen week in, week out but other than a report being submitted by the clubs after every match, we the supporters never get to see what is said. Over the years the football authorities have been happy to make the referees part of the show by flashing coloured cards about ( preferably in a dramatic fashion) generally for nothing offences, whilst dramatically altering the course of a game. We can all now make light of the Scougs incident at Bradford, if we had lost though, I doubt we would have been feeling quite as charitable.
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
I honestly cannot think of more blatant penalty not being given.
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The really dirty trip on Woody (who had a lengthy treatment from Cec Coldwell afterwards) in the last 10 mins of our home game against Man U in Sept 1972 but the ref "feeling guilty about it" awarded us a penalty (Woody converted it with a lot of power as if he was still angry about the earlier incident) in the last minute for "nothing". Frank O'Farrell (Man U's manager) accused the ref of trying to even things up.

Fashanu's 2nd handball in the last minute of the 1-1 draw at Wimbledon in March 1991
 
I actually thought they were trying to re enact Torvill and Dean Bolero performance.
Other than that maybe that is a physical version of Darren/Walthy debate?
 
boo radley said:
I actually thought they were trying to re enact Torvill and Dean Bolero performance.
Other than that maybe that is a physical version of Darren/Walthy debate?
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Boo, I think you've cracked one of this forum's great mysteries.

Not only is is an interpretation of Darren vs Walthy, it is almost, blow for blow, hug for hug, smouldering stare for smouldering stare, an exact replica of the erotic scene played out by Oliver Reed and Alan Bates in 'Women In Love'. The one remaining question is, who would play Reed or Bates?
 



Silent Blade said:
The really dirty trip on Woody (who had a lengthy treatment from Cec Coldwell afterwards) in the last 10 mins of our home game against Man U in Sept 1972 but the ref "feeling guilty about it" awarded us a penalty (Woody converted it with a lot of power as if he was still angry about the earlier incident) in the last minute for "nothing". Frank O'Farrell (Man U's manager) accused the ref of trying to even things up.

Fashanu's 2nd handball in the last minute of the 1-1 draw at Wimbledon in March 1991
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Don't remember the Man U game but I must have been there.

But the Fashanu handball is one of the most astonishing things I've ever seen on a football field. We can't have had a massive following that day but if you were there no one will ever forget it.

Anyone would have thought Fash might have bet on the result ....................................
 
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