The penalty incidents

[Houston_Blade]

I also thought Stevens was lucky not to give a penalty away. No idea why he felt compelled to stick his arm out.

It was outside the box when he fouled him, stupid challenge though.

 

[Benny and the Blades]

You are Steven Gerrard went down for a penalty at the cop end to make it 1_1 .

 

[Sheff de party]

I’ve watched the Fleck one several times and it’s gamesmanship at best. Knock the ball past, jump a bit and fall under the slightest touch.

Might be enough to save him from officially being called a dive, but in my view it is definitely not a penalty.

Feel like we were due some luck though.

 

[Benny and the Blades]

You are Steven Gerrard went down for a penalty at the cop end to make it 1_1 .

August 19 2006.

 

[Benny and the Blades]

Hey froggy,
After the Coutts incident ,if you were travelling at speed and some one came at you like that, you'd jump too,....

 

[1973Blade]

You are Steven Gerrard went down for a penalty at the cop end to make it 1_1 .

It's a bit like Donald Trump and Fake News, video evidence is provided showing the penalty was at the Bramall Lane evidence and you still say it was at the Kop end. I admire your determination

 

[Damski]

Can't find the Leon one anywhere, but watching back the Fleck one, it was a dive with very minimal contact. Not a penalty. It gets balanced out by the fact that we should've had one from the foul on Clarke and the ref (who was shite all day for both teams) bottled it. I hate soft penalties like that, diving is a scourge on the game.

 

[ShorehamRevolution]

With the fleck decision I thought the defender would have been better going to ground as he would’ve won the ball clean but by being indecisive he’s blocked fleck out the way and made contact. Pen in my book

 

[Selly]

You are Steven Gerrard went down for a penalty at the cop end to make it 1_1 .

Really?

I've even posted a video of it. But here it is again just in case. 54 seconds onwards.

 

[Benny and the Blades]

OK, so may be I could have been mistaken ....

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

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*That other nonce with the daft hairdo (Maddison of Norwich) would need his own armchair in front of that panel.
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‘Nonce’ - made me laugh that.

Still laughing in fact

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Thought Clarke fouled the defender first personally. Also thought Stevens could have given away a pen in the first half for a clumsy challenge.

The ref got it right, then? Clarke did a foul (I didn't pick that up), he got wiped out (100%), their player didn't get near the ball, and the final decision was a corner - the one thing it definitely wasn't. I suppose ref's get mentally tired after 90+ minutes, but that was some decision.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Can't find the Leon one anywhere, but watching back the Fleck one, it was a dive with very minimal contact. Not a penalty. It gets balanced out by the fact that we should've had one from the foul on Clarke and the ref (who was shite all day for both teams) bottled it. I hate soft penalties like that, diving is a scourge on the game.

Makes me realise the VAR system won't solve everything. I saw it as a dive at the time, but from TV, I think 2 angles look like a pen, 1 angle looks like no contact. At the speed he was running, he would have needed the balance of a gymnast to not fall down.

 

[Guesty]

Can't find the Leon one anywhere, but watching back the Fleck one, it was a dive with very minimal contact. Not a penalty. It gets balanced out by the fact that we should've had one from the foul on Clarke and the ref (who was shite all day for both teams) bottled it. I hate soft penalties like that, diving is a scourge on the game.

I agree, there is 'contact' but Fleck looks to me like he's already going down. Either way, it was his decision to fall over, he wasn't legged over by the tackle on its own.

 

[Tommoblade66]

On the TV Fleck looked like he dived and may well get thrown in front of that new diving retrospective panel. Clark’s trailing foot was caught but it would have been a soft decision.

Do they hold up those score cards?

 

[JohnDenver]

The other week, people were lauding the referee in the Chelsea v Norwich game because he didn't give a penalty in the exact same circumstances as Fleck's yesterday.

Willian knocks the ball past a defender, sees the defender's leg come out, and starts to fall before contact is made. If anything, Fleck's was looked worse as he threw his arms in the air too for a bit of theatre.

I hope you're all consistent in your opinions.

 

[grafikhaus]

‘Nonce’ - made me laugh that.

Still laughing in fact

True story. If a bloke got sent to prison for kiddy-fiddling, was a paedophile or some such offence, he was at risk from the other lags. During 'association' (outdoor exercise), this was where the 'straighteners' got done - where the offender got beaten up, or worse. Mindful of this, his paperwork was marked at the top 'NONCE' - Not On Normal Courtyard (or Communal) Exercise - meaning he was kept separate from the other inmates.

Every day's a classroom.

 

[Damski]

I agree, there is 'contact' but Fleck looks to me like he's already going down. Either way, it was his decision to fall over, he wasn't legged over by the tackle on its own.

Exactly. Fleck rescinded his right to a penalty when he dived. That's simulation, and is a foul. It's like if he was in an offside position, recieved the ball and then got tripped. He can't claim a penalty because he's outside the rules of the game. Same goes for diving. Simulation = indirect free kick to the other team, and if it's in order to win a penalty, it should be a yellow card, in my opinion at least.

 

[wizadry]

For the Clarke incident, the ref thought the defender had played the ball, hence giving a corner.
The Leeds players were adamant it was a goal kick, hence they thought the ball hadn’t been played, therefore it must have been a penalty

I know what you’re saying but the Leeds players were implying that their defender won the ball, tackling our player, and whilst doing so played the ball against Clarkes’ leg meaning a goal kick should’ve been given, now we all know that didn’t happen but I’m always here to help.

 

[Pinchy]

Aren't we being a bit harsh on our team? Fleck's pen. was a bit soft but file under 'I've seen 'em given.' Clarke's? Nailed on. So Fleck should get 'thrown in front of that new diving retrospective panel'*? What about that cunt number 10 of their's (Alioski)? Was Sharp's a booking? No way. The ref. was shocking.

*That other nonce with the daft hairdo (Maddison of Norwich) would need his own armchair in front of that panel. Delli Alli and Saint Harry of Kane at Spurs?

Why can't we just take a win and move on? Will Wendy go on about their own soft penalty at Barnsley? The challenge on Baldock at Elland Road was worth a red card, but it wasn't given. It's football.

Precisely. Not only that, let’s pause to consider who we were playing.

I don’t think any apology is owed to the club that thrived on gamesmanship, cynicism, cheating and even bribery under the odious, bent Don Revie.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Makes me realise the VAR system won't solve everything. I saw it as a dive at the time, but from TV, I think 2 angles look like a pen, 1 angle looks like no contact. At the speed he was running, he would have needed the balance of a gymnast to not fall down.

VAR seems to offer a spurious objectivity to what, in a great many cases (like yesterday's) inevitably involve a subjective element.

Seems to me that even those bending over backwards to be "fair" about the decision are tending to do so in the (subjective) spirit of being anti-cheating, rather than seriously considering the degree of contact/the effect of that contact.

 

[Pinchy]

Good Pele, all the myths and misunderstanding of the laws of the game in one treasure chest!

Law 12 includes:

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• charges
• jumps at
• kicks or attempts to kick
• pushes
• strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
• tackles or challenges
• trips or attempts to trip

If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick.

• Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed

Minimal contact. That’s a beauty. See repeated references to ‘attempts’ and the word ‘or’ before the references to ‘excessive force’. Ask Chris Morgan.

Wasn’t ‘getting to the ball’. Spectacularly irrelevant. If an attacking player is kicked or head-butted, for example, it’s a penalty even if the ball is 80 yards away at the other end of the pitch, provided it’s in play.

Went down easily. Not impressive, but a foul’s a foul and remains a foul whether the victim stays on his feet, does a cartwheel or performs the Dying Swan.

Soft. No, I’ve looked carefully. No mention of softness.

Football fans (and pundits) - getting it wrong since time immemorial.

 

[oldblade]

Fleck was contact but he made a meal of it.
Personally I wouldn’t give a penalty but by the letter of the law there was contact, so was a penalty.
The Sky pundits watched the video replay and all agreed there was some contact, so definitely a penalty.

Nowhere in the rules of football does it say that contact alone equals a foul. It has to be something that the referee deems to be unfair. In other words, something that impedes an opposing player. Just touching someone does not necessarily impede them.

 

[UnitedUnitedWeStand]

Aren't we being a bit harsh on our team? Fleck's pen. was a bit soft but file under 'I've seen 'em given.' Clarke's? Nailed on. So Fleck should get 'thrown in front of that new diving retrospective panel'*? What about that cunt number 10 of their's (Alioski)? Was Sharp's a booking? No way. The ref. was shocking.

*That other nonce with the daft hairdo (Maddison of Norwich) would need his own armchair in front of that panel. Delli Alli and Saint Harry of Kane at Spurs?

Why can't we just take a win and move on? Will Wendy go on about their own soft penalty at Barnsley? The challenge on Baldock at Elland Road was worth a red card, but it wasn't given. It's football.

I’m taking the win and moving on. The OP and the whole thread was about the penalty decisions, which is why I talked about the penalty decisions. People disagree, the essence of a message board.

 

[davidblade]

I’ve watched the Fleck one several times and it’s gamesmanship at best. Knock the ball past, jump a bit and fall under the slightest touch.

Might be enough to save him from officially being called a dive, but in my view it is definitely not a penalty.

Feel like we were due some luck though.

Shut up idiot

 

[Sheff de party]

Shut up idiot

It’s a discussion forum. Posts like this just make a mockery of that principle.

They also suggest a complete lack of eloquence and intelligence.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

It’s a discussion forum. Posts like this just make a mockery of that principle.


They also suggest a complete lack of eloquence and intelligence.

It's a discussion forum,and he is allowed the view that you're an idiot,it's an opinion I share also.

It was a penalty all day long,the referee gave it,Billy dispatched it,we won

 

[blade too long]

can someone explain why wednesday were awarded a penalty 2mins 57 secs on


dont remember tall lad falls down being one of the reasons for awarding one

our penalty looks a viscious assault in comparison

 

[Stanthemanfan]

Can't find the Leon one anywhere, but watching back the Fleck one, it was a dive with very minimal contact. Not a penalty. It gets balanced out by the fact that we should've had one from the foul on Clarke and the ref (who was shite all day for both teams) bottled it. I hate soft penalties like that, diving is a scourge on the game.

The Leon one is on the sheff utd you tube channel highlights

 

[Linz]

Shut up idiot

It's a discussion forum,and he is allowed the view that you're an idiot,it's an opinion I share also.

You are perfectly entitled to hold that view, but not perfectly entitled to frame it in those terms on this particular discussion forum, where it constitutes "personal abuse".

Something the latter will have a month's forum holiday to reflect on for three accumulated infractions.