The old BBC United series

[JJ Sefton]

Watching this while working from home. Probably the best documentary series ever made.

 

[grafikhaus]

Watching this while working from home. Probably the best documentary series ever made.

You're not a 'solicitor' are you?

 

[Cyprus Blade]

The Orient one was good - club for a fiver or something like that - especially the sacking of Terry Howard (?) by the management team of psycho Sitton and sidekick Turner at half-time.

 

[PandaCola]

The Sitton half time sacking is brilliant

 

[Cyprus Blade]

I went to that game - Howard was the best player for Orient in the first half. Howard was signed by Wycombe a few weeks later as a free agent. Sitton was mental but Orient had a history of appointing mental managers and former pigs including Peter Eustace ( I well remember the Manager's programme notes which read like a 1940's wild west film script with wagons being circled and the lot - I think he got the push the week after).

 

[Revolution]

A young Revolution can be seen in that episode of the United documentary for a nanosecond towards the end.

I need to get my copy onto a watchable format...

 

[blade too long]

still got it on betamax if you want to borrow it

 

[itsinyerblood]

The Sitton half time sacking is brilliant

Panda, I'd seen this film when it was first shown, can't recall which channel. I'd recommend it to anyone who is even vaguely interested in what it must be like when a manager knows his job is going down the toilet. Sitton is a man in collapse, vent up feelings come gushing out, not only about the players sitting in front of him but about the directors of Leyton Orient too. It's a masterpiece of everything you should try and avoid but sometimes wish you could say. Anyone who thinks they've seen what it's really like in a football dressing room ought to take a couple of minutes to watch this.

 

[Oreyt]

"...and yer can bring yer fackin dinner...."

Oh my sides. I'd forgotten about that. Fantastic.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

Sitton is a man in collapse

Very true - at the time he took the Orient job he was highly regarded by the FA and tipped to be one of the major English managers and a possible England manager in the making. Extract from a Guardian article "What John Sitton did next"

"Sitton is now self-employed as a black cab driver and also works part-time for the Press Association compiling statistics for the Opta Index. He has had just three jobs in football since leaving Leyton Orient - with Leyton, Enfield, and Leyton again, and admits he was stunned at how quickly football turned its back on him after the documentary. "I made in excess of 60 applications for different jobs, all unsuccessful and by the end I was very bitter, twisted and disillusioned," he adds. "But I got caught out using the kind of language that is now accepted everywhere and which has earned Gordon Ramsay an eight-figure sum."

 

[metty]

Check out Val Kilmer 52 secs in. Didn't kmow he played for the 'O's

 

[PandaCola]

Any manager who lets the cameras in needs their head testing. Steve Bleasdale's career was effectively destroyed in this ten minutes of TV. Barry Fry and "consultant" Big Ron totally undermine him to the extent that he resigns in the dressing room before the game

 

[grafikhaus]

Panda, I'd seen this film when it was first shown, can't recall which channel. I'd recommend it to anyone who is even vaguely interested in what it must be like when a manager knows his job is going down the toilet. Sitton is a man in collapse, vent up feelings come gushing out, not only about the players sitting in front of him but about the directors of Leyton Orient too. It's a masterpiece of everything you should try and avoid but sometimes wish you could say. Anyone who thinks they've seen what it's really like in a football dressing room ought to take a couple of minutes to watch this.

Plenty of extracts on YouTube. Here are all 6 episodes. (Good 'rant' in Episode 3 - 'In the words of Graham Taylor at fakkin' Crewe...')

The 'Big Ron Manager' that Panda mentions is also worth seeking out. Here's one of Brian Clough destroying Motson:

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[Coily]

Very true - at the time he took the Orient job he was highly regarded by the FA and tipped to be one of the major English managers and a possible England manager in the making. Extract from a Guardian article "What John Sitton did next"

"Sitton is now self-employed as a black cab driver and also works part-time for the Press Association compiling statistics for the Opta Index. He has had just three jobs in football since leaving Leyton Orient - with Leyton, Enfield, and Leyton again, and admits he was stunned at how quickly football turned its back on him after the documentary. "I made in excess of 60 applications for different jobs, all unsuccessful and by the end I was very bitter, twisted and disillusioned," he adds. "But I got caught out using the kind of language that is now accepted everywhere and which has earned Gordon Ramsay an eight-figure sum."

Sitton is on Twitter, and entertaining he is too while clearly being a total mentalist even now. What he fails to grasp even now is that you may well have all the qualifications going, but you have to be able to play the game and get along with people to continue in the business.

He was due to bring out an autobiography with the assistance of a bloke called Vernon Grant, a pig fan based on Spain who has a blog on racing tips. This all started nearly two years ago further to a few video blogs from Grant with Sitton which are worth viewing, but the book has been delayed and delayed until Grant piped up that he was refusing to work on the project any more due to Sitton giving him verbals.

Apparently he is going to finish the project himself, which I'm convinced is going to a car crash but would be a welcome change from the dreary attempts from most ex-footballers.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Plenty of extracts on YouTube. Here are all 6 episodes. (Good 'rant' in Episode 3 - 'In the words of Graham Taylor at fakkin' Crewe...')

The 'Big Ron Manager' that Panda mentions is also worth seeking out. Here's one of Brian Clough destroying Motson:

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Cheers graf, I've seen quite a few of 'em, and the Clough-Motson interview is priceless, but I especially enjoy the Sitton piece, it shows a man on the edge who's willing to take everyone else with him. Some of the Warnock-United dressing room scenes are also excellent, and despite some of the views that Warnock is a nob, I think it's clear that he has affection for the Blades.

 

[alcoblade]

A young Revolution can be seen in that episode of the United documentary for a nanosecond towards the end.

I need to get my copy onto a watchable format...

I can be seen on the pitch at Leicester after the 1,2,3....rd goal



UTB

 

[Paulus]

Cheers graf, I've seen quite a few of 'em, and the Clough-Motson interview is priceless, but I especially enjoy the Sitton piece, it shows a man on the edge who's willing to take everyone else with him. Some of the Warnock-United dressing room scenes are also excellent, and despite some of the views that Warnock is a nob, I think it's clear that he has affection for the Blades.

I don't know about on the edge but here is a manager it's painful to watch descend into the depths.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24462513

 

[itsinyerblood]

I don't know about on the edge but here is a manager it's painful to watch descend into the depths.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24462513

Paulus, I think Sitton's fate was well and truly cast by the time the cameras were in place. I get the impression that his reach never extended as far as his view of his own managerial talents.

 

[AlexHD]

That bloke at the end summed it up perfectly

On the the most part rubbish , but absolutly brillient !