The Evans Aftermath

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Darren said:
I find that a difficult consclusion for the jury to have drawn, given that CM was with her for much longer and (if she was in fact incapable of consenting), a reasonable person in his position had a much greater opportunity to appreciate that incapacity.
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So do I, but I find it difficult to reconcile any other logical basis for the verdicts, given the way the Crown put its case.
 



Pinchy said:
So do I, but I find it difficult to reconcile any other logical basis for the verdicts, given the way the Crown put its case.
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Indeed. And that may give a slight glimmer of hope in an appeal.
 
SE10 Blades said:
The jury were privy to the evidence in this case. As far as I can tell you were not. I would suggest that this rather makes them more qualified than yourself.
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Were you? The original post I replied to was you slating members of this forum for essentially blaming the girl. You are now saying my opinion is invalid because I was not privy to every piece of evidence. If you were not either, then how have you reached your opinion? Seems hypocritical to me.
 
Darren said:
Indeed. And that may give a slight glimmer of hope in an appeal.
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Hey Darren. Had a question for you if you don't mind answering. If Ched knew the victim, would this affect the trial (and eventual verdict) any differently? What I mean is, if evidence was given around this then surely the reporters wouldn't be allowed to mention it for fear of revealing her identify? I heard something this week that's all that Ched may have known the victim but not sure how this would affect the verdict other than revealing evidence we weren't privy to?
 
Melbourne Blade said:
Hey Darren. Had a question for you if you don't mind answering. If Ched knew the victim, would this affect the trial (and eventual verdict) any differently? What I mean is, if evidence was given around this then surely the reporters wouldn't be allowed to mention it for fear of revealing her identify? I heard something this week that's all that Ched may have known the victim but not sure how this would affect the verdict other than revealing evidence we weren't privy to?
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I read somewhere that the majority of rapes are carried out by people who are known to the victim.
 
Melbourne Blade said:
Hey Darren. Had a question for you if you don't mind answering. If Ched knew the victim, would this affect the trial (and eventual verdict) any differently? What I mean is, if evidence was given around this then surely the reporters wouldn't be allowed to mention it for fear of revealing her identify? I heard something this week that's all that Ched may have known the victim but not sure how this would affect the verdict other than revealing evidence we weren't privy to?
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Difficult to answer without knowing how it might be said he knew the victim.
 
broomhillblade said:
I read somewhere that the majority of rapes are carried out by people who are known to the victim.
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If we use the criteria laid out by the jury in this case, I suspect that the majority of "rapes" are carried out between husband and wife, or even vice versa...
 
Or maybe theres a shitload of information that isn't on Google or available easily on the internet. FFS people will be telling me next that Wikipedia is the word of God or perhaps Twitter is fact only comment from intelligent people.

I generally would like to think that all people are good, with good intentions. But its clear that there are a large and loud minority who are just ill informed but think they know better than solicitors and the Jury who convicted the man. They count, some lunatics on a messageboard who weren't even there, either on the night or in the court don't.

It really is simple. If his conviction is unsound then it will get overturned. I'm having a wild guess here that it won't and all this "it stinks" and "it just doesn't" add up bollocks will prove to be just that.

P.S the article in 200 percent I posted on a thread last night that I think has since been removed (Justiceforched or summat). Its neutral, well informed and a damn site nearer fact than some stuff on here.
 
We've seen two opposing sides of the internet this weekend, with the vile outing of the victim by the pea brained twitterati, and the lovely response to the tragic death of the Marathon runner at the weekend (Nearly 500k now).

It's easy to lambast the one-celled idiots on twitter as they're an easy incoherent target. The problem is we've also seen a bunch of blogs written about the Ched case over the weekend by highly articulate people,mainly feminists, who have plainly not read enough about the case, which in my opinion is just as bad as the fools on twitter. I've barely seen one article written about the illogical nature of the verdict. Comments on articles expressing doubts are shouted down, particularly in the liberal media.

It seems in certain quarters you can't have a sensible discussion about it without being accused of being a rape sympathizer.
 
Think that's just axiomatic of the way "debate" is now. Whereas once people came to a topic with a view they were prepared to change if persuaded to do so, now it seems like most people come from a particular stance and see debate only as ignoring/shouting down/ridiculing anyone who holds a contrary view, clean foregtting we have two ears but only one mouth. Everyone wants to talk, fewer want to listen.
 



raul said:
Think that's just axiomatic of the way "debate" is now. Whereas once people came to a topic with a view they were prepared to change if persuaded to do so, now it seems like most people come from a particular stance and see debate only as ignoring/shouting down/ridiculing anyone who holds a contrary view, clean foregtting we have two ears but only one mouth. Everyone wants to talk, fewer want to listen.
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If anyone doubts the truth of the above paragraph, tune into the 5-Live morning phone-in. But don't listen too long - it's not good for you.
 
JohnDenver said:
If anyone doubts the truth of the above paragraph, tune into the 5-Live morning phone-in. But don't listen too long - it's not good for you.
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I'll see your 5 Live and raise you one whole Talksport.
 
Apologies if it's been covered elsewhere, but Evans' solicitors are going to appeal.

Sheffield United Football Club has followed the trial of player Ched Evans at Caernarfon Crown Court, which culminated in his conviction by a jury after a lengthy trial on Friday 20th April.
We have been asked by Ched's legal team to place the following statement on our website:

We act on behalf of Ched Evans in connection with his recent conviction for rape at Caernarfon Crown Court.
Mr Evans firmly maintains his innocence in this matter and as such, we confirm that Mr Evans will be appealing the decision.
No further comment will be made while the appeal process is on-going.
Brabners Chaffe Street LLP

Sheffield United has at all times been mindful of the very serious nature of the sensitive issues involved in this legal process, and in the circumstances will refrain from making further comment at this time.
 
raul said:
Think that's just axiomatic of the way "debate" is now. Whereas once people came to a topic with a view they were prepared to change if persuaded to do so, now it seems like most people come from a particular stance and see debate only as ignoring/shouting down/ridiculing anyone who holds a contrary view, clean foregtting we have two ears but only one mouth. Everyone wants to talk, fewer want to listen.
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Two ears, one mouth but eight fingers and two thumbs
 
raul said:
Think that's just axiomatic of the way "debate" is now. Whereas once people came to a topic with a view they were prepared to change if persuaded to do so, now it seems like most people come from a particular stance and see debate only as ignoring/shouting down/ridiculing anyone who holds a contrary view, clean foregtting we have two ears but only one mouth. Everyone wants to talk, fewer want to listen.
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Really good point. Sometimes I see a tiny glimpse of that on here too.
 
Balham Blade said:
If someone in my team made a comment like that in the heat of the moment supporting a team-mate who he believed had been wrongly convicted then I'd definitely take action: I just think sacking him is overly draconian. A reminder of his responsibilities and emphasis that he's on his last chance would do for me.

I would be amazed if the club doesn't come up with guidelines for the players with regards social media, assuming they don't exist already.
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A young lad, not in possession of all the details but supporting his mate. Lack of judgement,nothing else.
 
Balham Blade said:
If someone in my team made a comment like that in the heat of the moment supporting a team-mate who he believed had been wrongly convicted then I'd definitely take action: I just think sacking him is overly draconian. A reminder of his responsibilities and emphasis that he's on his last chance would do for me.

I would be amazed if the club doesn't come up with guidelines for the players with regards social media, assuming they don't exist already.
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I would be surprised if the club hadn't put a social media policy in place after the Maguire/Wednesday Groundsman incident!
 
shreds1975 said:
Something I wrote on the subject last night. These have been dark days being a Blade, but we have to move on and act a lot more like our club's name than we have since Friday.


[URL='http://aunitedview.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/dismay-dispiriting-disunited.html[/quote']http://aunitedview.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/dismay-dispiriting-disunited.html[/URL]
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Already given my thoughts on this article elsewhere. Suffice to say it matches all previous articles by Ian for quality.
 
shreds1975 said:
I would be surprised if the club hadn't put a social media policy in place after the Maguire/Wednesday Groundsman incident!
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The Football League and PFA provide guidance to all Pros, I do believe the club also do something.
 



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