The Evans Aftermath

[Jim Chimmerney]

Apologies if this has been posted or lost deep in another thread elsewhere but an excellent summary of where we are now;

http://www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=18329

 

[CG Blade]

Excellent article..

 

[Worksop II]

"swivel-eyed outrage"

I think the Club need to end their deliberations and give a clear indication to all fans that the days of Ched are over, at least until he has served his sentence.

 

[dingledog]

Factual and considered, something all of us that have an emotional involvment in the Blades might not be at the moment.

Other facts, win our next two games and we will be promoted.

 

[mpjacko]

Just another article / blog / post which misses the fact that a lot of Blades fans truly believe Ched is innocent and was wrongfully convicted for rape, yet are shouted down at for what they truly believe in.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Always a well reasoned and sensible perspective from Ian

 

[Rustyblade]

Just another article / blog / post which misses the fact that a lot of Blades fans truly believe Ched is innocent and was wrongfully convicted for rape, yet are shouted down at for what they truly believe in.

It doesn't miss that fact at all.

This belief is based on insufficient evidence and misconceptions both about rape itself and the law as it was applied.

Not quite as ridiculous as belief in the tooth fairy, I'll admit but it is faith based all the same.

 

[Deleted member 2102]

Just another article / blog / post which misses the fact that a lot of Blades fans truly believe Ched is innocent and was wrongfully convicted for rape, yet are shouted down at for what they truly believe in.

The reaction of many people on this board provide all the evidence you need why the way rape trials are conducted have been changed over the recent years. The levels of misogyny displayed here are unbelievable. Hopefully his contract has been terminated already along with that of Connor Brown.

 

[Jehovah]

The reaction of many people on this board provide all the evidence you need why the way rape trials are conducted have been changed over the recent years. The levels of misogyny displayed here are unbelievable. Hopefully his contract has been terminated already along with that of Connor Brown.

Really? Not sure why. This trial looked a total and utter balls up to me. I still have no idea how 12 people have decided Evans should go to prison based on a drunk girls lack of recollection. Unbelievable.

 

[Deleted member 2102]

Really? Not sure why. This trial looked a total and utter balls up to me. I still have no idea how 12 people have decided Evans should go to prison based on a drunk girls lack of recollection. Unbelievable.

And what qualifies you to draw this conclusion? Are you a QC, a Judge, an expert of jurisprudence? Come to think of it are you in possession of any of the evidence that the jury were?

 

[Balham]

The reaction of many people on this board provide all the evidence you need why the way rape trials are conducted have been changed over the recent years. The levels of misogyny displayed here are unbelievable. Hopefully his contract has been terminated already along with that of Connor Brown.

Why should Brown's contract be terminated?

 

[Deleted member 2102]

Why should Brown's contract be terminated?

If someone in my team had done this I would fire them. Bringing the company into disrepute? Failing being fired then he should be severely punished and warned as to his future conduct.

 

[Balham]

If someone in my team had done this I would fire them. Bringing the company into disrepute? Failing being fired then he should be severely punished and warned as to his future conduct.

If someone in my team made a comment like that in the heat of the moment supporting a team-mate who he believed had been wrongly convicted then I'd definitely take action: I just think sacking him is overly draconian. A reminder of his responsibilities and emphasis that he's on his last chance would do for me.

I would be amazed if the club doesn't come up with guidelines for the players with regards social media, assuming they don't exist already.

 

[TonyAgana]

Are we still paying Evans? I was under the impression he was suspended but not heard anything official.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Really? Not sure why. This trial looked a total and utter balls up to me. I still have no idea how 12 people have decided Evans should go to prison based on a drunk girls lack of recollection. Unbelievable.

There are a few people who have reached this conclusion via the extensive research of googling 'Ched Evans Rhyl slapper'

 

[Blade nath]

I still have no idea how 12 people have decided Evans should go to prison based on a drunk girls lack of recollection. Unbelievable.

I didn't realise it was a unanimous decision.
Maybe we're missing something evidence wise.
Perhaps Evans is guilty due to the fact CM asked her if 'he could join in' and she was pressured into saying yes?
Or maybe the video evidence found on their mates phone was decisive.

Who knows?

 

[Balham]

I didn't realise it was a unanimous decision.
Maybe we're missing something evidence wise.
Perhaps Evans is guilty due to the fact CM asked her if 'he could join in' and she was pressured into saying yes?
Or maybe the video evidence found on their mates phone was decisive.

Who knows?

Without raking over old ground, the verdict of the jury is nothing to do with the girl being "pressured into saying yes". The 12 good souls of Caernarfon found that she was capable of consenting to CM and incapable of consenting to CE.

 

[Blade nath]

Without raking over old ground, the verdict of the jury is nothing to do with the girl being "pressured into saying yes". The 12 good souls of Caernarfon found that she was capable of consenting to CM and incapable of consenting to CE.

How though?
With CM being innocent and CE being guilty i'm just saying we must be missing something, or the evidence we've heard is not everything. There must be some evidence making him guilty

 

[super_pig]

And what qualifies you to draw this conclusion? Are you a QC, a Judge, an expert of jurisprudence? Come to think of it are you in possession of any of the evidence that the jury were?

and who are you? God?

 

[Deleted member 2102]

and who are you? God?

No I am just aware that there are other people who are actually qualified to make statements about both the legal system in England and Wales generally and about this verdict more specifically. They were the judge and jury and they found him guilty and sentenced him accordingly. No one posting here who believes there was a miscarraige of justice seems to be able to communicate what exactly is so wrong about our legal system that produces presumably daily examples of innocent people being convicted, they simply rehash some rumour and heresay along with a healthy dollop of prejudice.

 

[super_pig]

No I am just aware that there are other people who are actually qualified to make statements about both the legal system in England and Wales generally and about this verdict more specifically. They were the judge and jury and they found him guilty and sentenced him accordingly. No one posting here who believes there was a miscarraige of justice seems to be able to communicate what exactly is so wrong about our legal system that produces presumably daily examples of innocent people being convicted, they simply rehash some rumour and heresay along with a healthy dollop of prejudice.

nothing to do with prejudice.. i'd think the same if it was gary 'goal machine' madine.. i've had dealings with the law.. NONE of them favourable and i don't trust them as far as i can spit.. YMMV :~)

 

[broomhillblade]

A relative of mine, who lives in France and does not follow football, emailed me to ask what had been going on. I sent him the Rhyl newswire article since I thought this gave a balanced view.

His verdict - as a neutral - was that it was probably the videoing by Ched's mates that did for him. I think he could be right.

 

[Jehovah]

And what qualifies you to draw this conclusion? Are you a QC, a Judge, an expert of jurisprudence? Come to think of it are you in possession of any of the evidence that the jury were?

Were the jury qualified to this standard either? The ones who ultimately decided Evans fate are most likely no more qualified than me. What draws me to my conclusion is I fail to see how the vague account of a girl who can barley remember anything can convict a man. She headed back to the hotel with a stranger, as confirmed by CCTV, of her own free will. How have a jury then decided she consented to CM but not CE? it's a disgrace an utter utter disgrace.

 

[Pinchy]

Without raking over old ground, the verdict of the jury is nothing to do with the girl being "pressured into saying yes". The 12 good souls of Caernarfon found that she was capable of consenting to CM and incapable of consenting to CE.

Or, more likely, that she was incapable of consenting to either but, in all the circumstances, CM might have had a reasonable belief that she was capable of consent and did consent.

Is anyone up for forgetting all this for a while and making a hell of a noise for our team and club on Saturday. I will.

 

[Darren]

Or, more likely, that she was incapable of consenting to either but, in all the circumstances, CM might have had a reasonable belief that she was capable of consent and did consent.

Is anyone up for forgetting all this for a while and making a hell of a noise for our team and club on Saturday. I will.

I find that a difficult consclusion for the jury to have drawn, given that CM was with her for much longer and (if she was in fact incapable of consenting), a reasonable person in his position had a much greater opportunity to appreciate that incapacity.

 

[Deleted member 2102]

Were the jury qualified to this standard either? The ones who ultimately decided Evans fate are most likely no more qualified than me. What draws me to my conclusion is I fail to see how the vague account of a girl who can barley remember anything can convict a man. She headed back to the hotel with a stranger, as confirmed by CCTV, of her own free will. How have a jury then decided she consented to CM but not CE? it's a disgrace an utter utter disgrace.

The jury were privy to the evidence in this case. As far as I can tell you were not. I would suggest that this rather makes them more qualified than yourself.

 

[Balham]

I find that a difficult consclusion for the jury to have drawn, given that CM was with her for much longer and (if she was in fact incapable of consenting), a reasonable person in his position had a much greater opportunity to appreciate that incapacity.

Could it be that the jury either didn't follow the "reasonable man" test as described by the judge - surely, surely he spelled it out for them - or that the judge dropped a clanger in either his summing up or his direction to the jury?

Personally, I wonder whether the difference in the verdicts came from the moral standpoints of the members of the jury (ie they could just about square away CM's actions but not CE's?). I know it's wrong but it's surely possible?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Personally, I wonder whether the difference in the verdicts came from the moral standpoints of the members of the jury (ie they could just about square away CM's actions but not CE's?). I know it's wrong but it's surely possible?

Might have been acquitted in a bigger court in a bigger town....

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I find that a difficult consclusion for the jury to have drawn, given that CM was with her for much longer and (if she was in fact incapable of consenting), a reasonable person in his position had a much greater opportunity to appreciate that incapacity.

I'm of the same opinion as you on this.

 

[TonyAgana]

I find that a difficult consclusion for the jury to have drawn, given that CM was with her for much longer and (if she was in fact incapable of consenting), a reasonable person in his position had a much greater opportunity to appreciate that incapacity.

Interesting. I'd reached the same conclusion as Pinchy's last post (all by my little self, I might add!) but this adds another perspective to that theory.