The brave 800

[Jimbo]

This has probably been mentioned before in other threads, but I just wanted to say hats off to the brave 800+ who made the effort to go last night.

I wasn't there myself so I can't comment on the performance (not that I'd want to by the sounds of it!), but regardless of manager, chairman, players or result it's these who are the real heart and soul of our Club.

If the players and manager showed that kind of effort and commitment we wouldn't be in the pickle we've found ourselves in now!

 

[Linz]

Sadly, I heard there was a bit of trouble last night when these "hearts of the club" decided to start abusing the players who'd come over to thank them for their support.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

This has probably been mentioned before in other threads, but I just wanted to say hats off to the brave 800+ who made the effort to go last night.

I wasn't there myself so I can't comment on the performance (not that I'd want to by the sounds of it!), but regardless of manager, chairman, players or result it's these who are the real heart and soul of our Club.

If the players and manager showed that kind of effort and commitment we wouldn't be in the pickle we've found ourselves in now!

It was nice to leave the house at 6.15 and be home for 10.15 for a change

It was a bit surreal, the whole ground was quiet until they scored and our fans were as quiet as I've known them. There were a few trying to get things going but it seemed to me like a few of those home games under Robson, Southampton springs to mind, where there was just a general apathy amongst the fans. Unfortunately, the general lack of support meant that the abuse towards the players could easily be heard and this also got arguments going between fans, not good.

 

[Jimbo]

Sadly, I heard there was a bit of trouble last night when these "hearts of the club" decided to start abusing the players who'd come over to thank them for their support.

Ok, hats off to the majority. There'll always be a couple of n*b heads I suppose!

 

[S64 Blade]

This has probably been mentioned before in other threads, but I just wanted to say hats off to the brave 800+ who made the effort to go last night.

I wasn't there myself so I can't comment on the performance (not that I'd want to by the sounds of it!), but regardless of manager, chairman, players or result it's these who are the real heart and soul of our Club.

If the players and manager showed that kind of effort and commitment we wouldn't be in the pickle we've found ourselves in now!

I agree. Commited effort from the fans that went over!

 

[JJ Sefton]

Ok, hats off to the majority. There'll always be a couple of n*b heads I suppose!

Yes, God forbid these cosseted cocks who call themselves Sheffield United players get some feedback from the fans they are robbing.

 

[Foxy]

Yes, God forbid these cosseted cocks who call themselves Sheffield United players get some feedback from the fans they are robbing.

There is feedback, then there is personal abuse.

Pray tell, how Keith Treacy deserved the treatment he got at the end last night?

 

[Jimbo]

Yes, God forbid these cosseted cocks who call themselves Sheffield United players get some feedback from the fans they are robbing.

Feedback, yes. Hurling personal abuse, no.

If you felt you were trying hard but not getting results at work would you accept someone screaming abuse at you for it and think "yeah fair enough, I'm sh*t"?

 

[JJ Sefton]

Pray tell, was he singled out particularly?

 

[Foxy]

Pray tell, was he singled out particularly?

He was one of the few, within reaching distance, getting absolutely mullered.

The lad looked like he was about to cry.

So yes, I'd say he was included.

 

[JJ Sefton]

He wasnt singled out in other words. As for "the few" he was stood with, would this be the same few who had just roundly taken the piss out of 800 fans who had paid to see them roll over and get their tummies tickled by Blackpool just days after bending over for Scunthorpe? Some might say, me included, that a shower of shite like that deserves a bit of verbals.

 

[Jimbo]

It also seems a bit counter productive to me.

I think it's fair to say that we, as Blades fans, demand effort over most other attributes. Will The players who received all the abuse really want to bust a gut for the club in future, given how they are "thanked" if results don't go our way?

I doubt it!

I'm not saying we should just blindly accept any performance and say it was good enough, particularly if the effort wasn't there. But shouting abuse at the players, for me, is out of order.

 

[Foxy]

He wasnt singled out in other words. As for "the few" he was stood with, would this be the same few who had just roundly taken the piss out of 800 fans who had paid to see them roll over and get their tummies tickled by Blackpool just days after bending over for Scunthorpe? Some might say, me included, that a shower of shite like that deserves a bit of verbals.

Ah, so its okay to abuse him to the point that he looks like he could burst into tears, as long it wasn't just him and him alone?

How did Keith Treacy take the piss? I didn't feel like he had and I was one of the 800.

Fair enough we are all annoyed and hurt, but for christ sakes, we are supposed to be United.

 

[JJ Sefton]

They werent busting a gut before fans started slagging them off.

 

[sheffielder]

Yes, God forbid these cosseted cocks who call themselves Sheffield United players get some feedback from the fans they are robbing.

Spot on.. In this day and age where most of the 800 who went last night probably couldn't afford it why can't they show their disgust. Ok some things said can be too much.

We need a fresh start with someone new to the club. Our Turry knew Robson so he got some leeway and Blackwell was obviously Warnock's midget. I would have loved Ince but don't see him leaving MK Dons again.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Ah, so its okay to abuse him to the point that he looks like he could burst into tears, as long it wasn't just him and him alone?

How did Keith Treacy take the piss? I didn't feel like he had and I was one of the 800.

Fair enough we are all annoyed and hurt, but for christ sakes, we are supposed to be United.

Indeed. And United used to mean players who would dig in and fight. It used to mean that even carthorses would run into the ground for the club. I grew up watching Bob Booker, Ian Bryson and John Gannon. Not gifted players by any stretch but they would play their bollocks off for United.

This current lot are taking the piss. If they cant be arsed to put in a shift then the whole United ethos is buggered from the off.

And one thing I am sure United used to mean was not just bending over and taking a hard one from any chancer who came your way, isnt that what BIFA was about? Now weve got a squad full of chancers ripping off the club just as surely as Woolhouse or Green ever did by picking up their wages and turning in performances like that.

So if you want to know where you United went, a bunch of players and a clueless management pissed it down the drain. If people are pissed off I cant say I blame them.

 

[Jimbo]

For me, the change in the "United Ethos" is as much down to a change in expectations as it is the current running of the club.

I too grew up watching Booker, Bryson and Gannon and remember very well the feeling of we don't really expect anything, so as long as we work hard and get the odd good result we (as fans) would be happy.

Things have changed though now. We have a stadium to be proud of, a much higher profile and we're no longer thought of as the poor relations of the city. In short, we're no longer the underdogs. If we had an team who were unskilled but put in all the effort in the world but ultimately got nowhere it wouldn't be good enough these days. For proof of this, see the abuse Monty gets week in and week out on this forum and in the ground. He works just as hard, if not harder than any player under Basset, but he's not skillful enough and so gets grief.

The difference is, we want / expect promotion or at least to feel as though we're realistic challengers every year and the old "United Ethos" wont achieve this alone.

 

[keenzy]

He wasnt singled out in other words. As for "the few" he was stood with, would this be the same few who had just roundly taken the piss out of 800 fans who had paid to see them roll over and get their tummies tickled by Blackpool just days after bending over for Scunthorpe? Some might say, me included, that a shower of shite like that deserves a bit of verbals.

So it's alright for singing for the players to die and giving them personal abuse??

It's one thing telling them they are a crap footballer and had an awuful game, but personal abuse is too far.

 

[Toronto Blade]

Treacy has been one of the few bright lights why on earth single him out for abuse.Well he will be one who will be happy to leave when his loan runs out.

 

[spadge]

unfortunatly your always going to get the odd nob heads wherever you go which is a shame, thats not what its about we should be getting behind the players by the sounds of things there as dumbfounded as us about why blackwell is still here

 

[Blade]

I'm sure i've shouted some abusive stuff in the past (maybe each week) in moments of anger. I couldn't afford the last two away games so I can only imagine how poor they really were and pick up info from the paper, radio and friends in attendance but I do feel disappointed to think of some players getting really personal stuff at the end, particularly Morgan who I can't imagine ever giving any less than 100%.

Up until the last two games I haven't blamed the players really, there's nobody I really thought isn't putting in the effort and the injury crisis can't be helping some that may have had to play without being fully fit. I reserve most of the blame for Blackwell and Ellis in putting together an unbalanced squad with gaping holes in key areas. The players aren't to blame for this.

Kilgallon has been injured recently and we haven't recovered since, having come back from the injury it's clear we're entering an unsettling stage of contract negotiations but again I do blame Blackwell for not foreseeing this may become an influence on Killa. I didn't like to hear his interview on sky sports news but at the end of the day he's only doing what he has to do to try and get the best deal for himself - from whoever it happens to be that he signs for. That's only natural for a guy who started off with Leeds, joined us in the Premiership, spent the first year being relegated and then another two with us trying unsuccesfully to get back up. He's at the point where the next deal is likely to take him through his most productive years as a CB and teams in a higher position than United are showing clear signs of interest.

I don't know why we couldn't wrap something up with Killa before the season started, there are many factors involved so I'm not blaming anyone for this. Instead you can see why reasons why it might have been difficult but at the same time it should be fricking obvious to our management team that this being the situation we're in there's a good chance it just may unsettle him at some point over the season and that his game may be affected at some stage... That's why I'm angry that it transpired that we came out of the window with only two centrebacks in the squad. Rarrr.

Also; to try and wrap up quickly after my rant; the tactics don't suit most of our team, I'd say they suit pretty much just Henderson and Bunn most of the time with the rest of the team chasing around.

For the last year and a bit under Blackwell we've looked ok when things are going quite well for us but dour when a game goes against us and in particular totally incapable of changing our style. I fear this trait will hinder our efforts to recover from our current situation.


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edit: oh yeah - don't shout at the players. shout at blackwell, ellis, his tactics and his arrogance! pft.

 

[mr glossop]

i remember some years back we got beat 3-0 at blackpool back in the bassett days.the very next day he put half the squad on the transfer list saying he was embarressed by the performance.a slightly different reaction from blackwell i feel

 

[WhiteHawk]

What was said to individual players? Also, I heard Morgan went over to the fans at the end and said something to them?

I don't agree with personal abuse at all, yes, let your feelings known and boo them if you must but personal abuse is way, way out of order.

I don't know what was said to Treacy but if it was enough to upset him like it apparantly did then is he really going to want to play for us?

Abusing players like that is only going to drive them away from the club.

 

[DazBlade88]

Morgan basically told people to calm down, bare with the team & management and not to forget that they're all United too, and want the same thing.

 

[bricktop]

Morgan basically told people to calm down, bare with the team & management and not to forget that they're all United too, and want the same thing.

They might want the same thing, but its having the talent and ability to achieve those things, and if they don't then i'm afraid they shouldn't be at Sheffield United.

The playing side is up to the manager, and i've given Blackwell plenty of my backing, paticularly when things haven't been going well, but now he needs to change the style of play and if he can't do that, then i'm afraid its goodnight for him.

 

[DazBlade88]

They might want the same thing, but its having the talent and ability to achieve those things, and if they don't then i'm afraid they shouldn't be at Sheffield United.

The playing side is up to the manager, and i've given Blackwell plenty of my backing, paticularly when things haven't been going well, but now he needs to change the style of play and if he can't do that, then i'm afraid its goodnight for him.

Spot on in my opinion