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The team that has played most preseason games

The team that has, to a man, started all games this season, has relegation written all over it.

Really can't see why we have signed Wilson and Hussey - they are exactly what we have seen and where we are - bottom half players of L1. Long is so out of form, it's again been coming, and this is what can happen with younger players when defenders in front are poor.
Brayford is just a shadow of his former self - an unbelievable transformation that for all these years watching United I haven't ever seen before - from hero to zero.
O'Connell will (same as Long) suffer a deep dip in form unless he has experience AND a decent midfield in front of him.
Basham will never ever be a midfield player in a 4 - sorry, but he was bought, and is extremely efficient as a 5, never, ever as a 4.
Same for Done - originally a left back, converted to a front man - successive managers have now ruined a once decent player - his confidence will take ages to recover.
Fleck, expected to be the main man in the midfield and again, with what is around him (including our expectations of him) seems incapable of handling what he has found.
Duffy - don't know what to say - a busty player for Burton - Burton's managers must have known what makes him tick - looks a shadow of his former self.
Billy - what can you say - is United too big for him - is he constantly wanting to try too much and will never really excel.
Clark - doesn't look he could ever play with Billy.

What a mess, what a shambles - THIS IS A RELEGATION TEAM.

Two people on here, mentioned the R word after Saturday - does anyone genuinely think, these players could, as a unit, actually get better as the season goes on? There are at least 6 players in the team that shouldn't be - and others that don't seem to gel with others.

Collins/Mcev/Flynn et al are made to actually look decent players - what a shambles.

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Fulwood Blade said:
The team that has played most preseason games

The team that has, to a man, started all games this season, has relegation written all over it.

Really can't see why we have signed Wilson and Hussey - they are exactly what we have seen and where we are - bottom half players of L1. Long is so out of form, it's again been coming, and this is what can happen with younger players when defenders in front are poor.
Brayford is just a shadow of his former self - an unbelievable transformation that for all these years watching United I haven't ever seen before - from hero to zero.
O'Connell will (same as Long) suffer a deep dip in form unless he has experience AND a decent midfield in front of him.
Basham will never ever be a midfield player in a 4 - sorry, but he was bought, and is extremely efficient as a 5, never, ever as a 4.
Same for Done - originally a left back, converted to a front man - successive managers have now ruined a once decent player - his confidence will take ages to recover.
Fleck, expected to be the main man in the midfield and again, with what is around him (including our expectations of him) seems incapable of handling what he has found.
Duffy - don't know what to say - a busty player for Burton - Burton's managers must have known what makes him tick - looks a shadow of his former self.
Billy - what can you say - is United too big for him - is he constantly wanting to try too much and will never really excel.
Clark - doesn't look he could ever play with Billy.

What a mess, what a shambles - THIS IS A RELEGATION TEAM.

Two people on here, mentioned the R word after Saturday - does anyone genuinely think, these players could, as a unit, actually get better as the season goes on? There are at least 6 players in the team that shouldn't be - and others that don't seem to gel with others.

Collins/Mcev/Flynn et al are made to actually look decent players - what a shambles.

UTB
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I actually thought you were being a negative Nellie when you were being vocal about how poor we were before the season had started, as Halifax aside I didn't think we were too bad. It hit me last night that you were actually one of the only ones calling it right and this team we've put together is a total disaster.

When the errors start creeping in, fans fighting each other, deflections start going against you and you get linesmen that don't know the rules on top of us being utterly awful, I know it's only early days, but it really does have that stink of relegation around the place.
 
Oh, be in no doubt that relegation this season is looking very likely. It's not that we are routinely humiliated by teams like Rochdale and Southend (there were times last night when Southend were clearly taking the piss), but we're losing without putting up a fight.

Where would we have finished last season without Billy & Che's 33 League goals? Well Che has gone - the result of our annual pre-season fire sale - but mark my words, Billy will be looking for a move if we keep persisting with these ludicrous 'tactics' which negate Billy's natural game. His frustration is plain to see, Clarke as his strike partner is not working and it will get a lot worse as the season progresses
 
grafikhaus said:
Oh, be in no doubt that relegation this season is looking very likely. It's not that we are routinely humiliated by teams like Rochdale and Southend (there were times last night when Southend were clearly taking the piss), but we're losing without putting up a fight.

Where would we have finished last season without Billy & Che's 33 League goals? Well Che has gone - the result of our annual pre-season fire sale - but mark my words, Billy will be looking for a move if we keep persisting with these ludicrous 'tactics' which negate Billy's natural game. His frustration is plain to see, Clarke as his strike partner is not working and it will get a lot worse as the season progresses
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These "tactics" aren't just ruining Billy's game. We aren't playing to a single one of our players strengths. We have attacking full backs (whether they are any good or not is besides the point), we have 2 very good technical strikers, for this league at least. It actually looks like Wilder has gone into training and found all the players weaknesses, and that's what he's making them play with. He couldn't have got these first games more wrong if he tried.
 
One of the worrying things is that Wilder clearly went ballistic with them at half time and for 15 minutes or so, they actually appeared to be trying. Yet they carved out a half chance that Billy Sharp put wide and that was it. I was hoping that we would be able to "win" the second half and while we had more possession and some promising situations, they didn't create one single clear cut chance. Their goalkeeper didn't have to make one save.

Another thing that interests me is why the pitch has been narrowed so much. If the intention is to play with wingers, surely you need to give them space and a wider pitch enables this. If a winger drops out wide, it pulls a defender out too and creates space in the middle. The narrowing of the pitch condenses play so if you plan to play narrower, you need pace to run onto through balls. Yet we have none.

It's confusing the fuck out of me!:confused:
 
Deej said:
I actually thought you were being a negative Nellie when you were being vocal about how poor we were before the season had started, as Halifax aside I didn't think we were too bad. It hit me last night that you were actually one of the only ones calling it right and this team we've put together is a total disaster.

When the errors start creeping in, fans fighting each other, deflections start going against you and you get linesmen that don't know the rules on top of us being utterly awful, I know it's only early days, but it really does have that stink of relegation around the place.
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Deej - it's not about being negative, it's just recognising what we have and IF they can get better. I have been very positive with Clough and Adkins, but not now.

The main problem was getting rid of Clough - he bought a squad to play a certain way - 4-5-1, he aimed for boring 1 nil, 2 nil wins etc, dour football, but effective and for me it would have got us out of the division last season, but boring us to death and with Clough under pressure for his strange style of management that was alien to our supporters.

Adkins had to deal with that and give him credit, he tried all sorts of formulas, player changes etc and as we saw all to no avail.

CW has tried to do something similar but he backed himself in a corner by being too honest and vocal. Poor signings coupled with what he inherited was always going to be a problem. We played 4-2-3-1 in pre-season, bought Clark and suddenly it's 4-4-2 with a load of players suited to 4-5-1 and some 4th division type players. The whole scenario was a recipe for disaster.

I said to my lad when we played Derby "This team has relegation written all over it" - all the signs (including our slow demise) were there - sadly.

CW is the right manager to get us out of it, but he is going to have to eat humble pie (as he seems to be doing) and holding up his hands.

I wish him all the luck. He needs to start with a back 4 that is tough, uncompromising and are bully boys - just like Southend's no 6 last night. O'Connell is half decent and can progress as long as he has someone decent to talk him through games - the others are fragile to say the least.

Not sure where he actually goes from here.

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grafikhaus said:
Oh, be in no doubt that relegation this season is looking very likely. It's not that we are routinely humiliated by teams like Rochdale and Southend (there were times last night when Southend were clearly taking the piss), but we're losing without putting up a fight.
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Thought much the same, watching the Southend defenders playing triangles while we (sort of) chased lost causes.

No, not these sort of triangles,

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But they might as well have been. :(
 
Sink or swim....

CW already giving sound bytes that could be seen as fighting relegation.
 
alcoblade said:
Don't you remember how far too positive he was in interviews though, and how straight taking would sort all this out?

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And how Hoof would solve the problems of having too much possession...

(not saying that problem did not need sorting out though, just that thus far, the cunning blend of Hoof-tap has depressed me beyond belief... Come on Chris.. Make me happy again!)
 
Kev Gee said:
Sink or swim....

CW already giving sound bytes that could be seen as fighting relegation.
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No, he can start now and avoid a relegation battle

He gets a sound GK, a sound defence and stop conceding goals - be boring (like Clough) if needed.

Don't concede, don't lose.

That is where he needs to start.

UTB
 



Harry's Game said:
Maybe, just maybe we should have stuck with Adkins.
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Said it at the time and Wilder hopefully might prove me wrong, but how crazy is it to sack a manager after one season who has three league one promotions on his cv and replace him with a manager who has never managed as high as league one?

We've paid off Adkins and his staff, paid compensation to Northampton for Wilder and paid off Adkins' players. How much has that all cost? It's no wonder we're shopping in the bargain bin for players!
 
I haven't noticed or been looking at it, but has Wilder really narrowed the pitch?

That is an incredibly negative move for the so called biggest club in league one. Just sends out the wrong message straight away.
 
Fulwood Blade said:
The team that has played most preseason games

The team that has, to a man, started all games this season, has relegation written all over it.

Really can't see why we have signed Wilson and Hussey - they are exactly what we have seen and where we are - bottom half players of L1. Long is so out of form, it's again been coming, and this is what can happen with younger players when defenders in front are poor.
Brayford is just a shadow of his former self - an unbelievable transformation that for all these years watching United I haven't ever seen before - from hero to zero.
O'Connell will (same as Long) suffer a deep dip in form unless he has experience AND a decent midfield in front of him.
Basham will never ever be a midfield player in a 4 - sorry, but he was bought, and is extremely efficient as a 5, never, ever as a 4.
Same for Done - originally a left back, converted to a front man - successive managers have now ruined a once decent player - his confidence will take ages to recover.
Fleck, expected to be the main man in the midfield and again, with what is around him (including our expectations of him) seems incapable of handling what he has found.
Duffy - don't know what to say - a busty player for Burton - Burton's managers must have known what makes him tick - looks a shadow of his former self.
Billy - what can you say - is United too big for him - is he constantly wanting to try too much and will never really excel.
Clark - doesn't look he could ever play with Billy.

What a mess, what a shambles - THIS IS A RELEGATION TEAM.

Two people on here, mentioned the R word after Saturday - does anyone genuinely think, these players could, as a unit, actually get better as the season goes on? There are at least 6 players in the team that shouldn't be - and others that don't seem to gel with others.

Collins/Mcev/Flynn et al are made to actually look decent players - what a shambles.

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They have got to get better, I really can't cope with the thought of another clear out being required in 2-3 years when we haven't finished this one yet.
 
YES Blade said:
I haven't noticed or been looking at it, but has Wilder really narrowed the pitch?

That is an incredibly negative move for the so called biggest club in league one. Just sends out the wrong message straight away.
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Yep it's a gnats chuff wider than a batting crease now... and he wonders why we aren't using the wings.
 
Bayingblade said:
One of the worrying things is that Wilder clearly went ballistic with them at half time and for 15 minutes or so, they actually appeared to be trying. Yet they carved out a half chance that Billy Sharp put wide and that was it. I was hoping that we would be able to "win" the second half and while we had more possession and some promising situations, they didn't create one single clear cut chance. Their goalkeeper didn't have to make one save.

Another thing that interests me is why the pitch has been narrowed so much. If the intention is to play with wingers, surely you need to give them space and a wider pitch enables this. If a winger drops out wide, it pulls a defender out too and creates space in the middle. The narrowing of the pitch condenses play so if you plan to play narrower, you need pace to run onto through balls. Yet we have none.

It's confusing the fuck out of me!:confused:
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You narrow the pitch when you want to go long,not wide.
Agree with pretty much everything on this thread.
I think the current situation is the result of the clubs policy on managerial appointments and how long they`re given. Every new manager has to sort out the car crash of the previous ons but never gets time and rushes into panic buys in the hope they`ll be a short term fix as they`ve only got one season to get us up. I`ve no idea if Wilder could be successful given 2 to 3 seasons and I doubt we`ll ever know.
I sadly think Micky Adams Mk 2 is the more likely outcome and he will leave a broken man and his love of the club tarnished.
 
YES Blade said:
Said it at the time and Wilder hopefully might prove me wrong, but how crazy is it to sack a manager after one season who has three league one promotions on his cv and replace him with a manager who has never managed as high as league one?
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Ah, how time fades the memories! Since Warnock, we haven't had a decent manager, it's been levels of shittiness. Adkins was taking us nowhere, Clough was deeply flawed, Weir? At this rate looking a better bet than CW.
 
seanbeenstattoo said:
You narrow the pitch when you want to go long,not wide.
Agree with pretty much everything on this thread.
I think the current situation is the result of the clubs policy on managerial appointments and how long they`re given. Every new manager has to sort out the car crash of the previous ons but never gets time and rushes into panic buys in the hope they`ll be a short term fix as they`ve only got one season to get us up. I`ve no idea if Wilder could be successful given 2 to 3 seasons and I doubt we`ll ever know.
I sadly think Micky Adams Mk 2 is the more likely outcome and he will leave a broken man and his love of the club tarnished.
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Agreed SBT. Pretty much everyone I speak to says we need to give someone time and I think most fans would agree with this. The trouble is, when we start like we have, those same fans begin to call for the managers head. Sooner or later we have to give someone the time they need to sort things out in a route and branch way on the playing side. That means at least 2 full seasons, maybe even more. The question is, has anyone got the patience and resilience to accept that if we go on an Adams-esque run?
 
YES Blade said:
I haven't noticed or been looking at it, but has Wilder really narrowed the pitch?

That is an incredibly negative move for the so called biggest club in league one. Just sends out the wrong message straight away.
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Agree with that. It's a ploy to stop the opposition not one to enable us to do anything creative ourselves.

It also offends my OCD because we've got the lovely 3G artificial perimeter by the South Stand but the lino is back trampling the Desso again. :)
 
I think we all agree we're a well established avarage 3rd division team now. So am really surprised the fans are so inpatient. They should be well use to it by now ! We have to stick with wilder for however long it take to turn things around . Changing management every year = another 6 yrs in this pub leugue .
 



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