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On a 2 year loan.

£6m fee paid to West Ham.

But Kia still owns him.
 

whats the source SF?

I wonder if that £6m is just to try and avoid any further actions?
 
From Man U website (but a quote from the Mirror)...

United's £6m to 'hire' Tev
Manchester United will pay businessman Kia Joorabchian £6million for the signature of Carlos Tevez.
At the end of an initial two-year deal, United will have the option to buy the striker outright for £15m. The deal will be modelled on Javier Mascherano's move from Upton Park to Liverpool.
Premier League spokesman Dan Johnson warned: "Any potential deal for the transfer of Tevez will have to be struck directly with West Ham."
Tevez has agreed a £100,000-a-week contract with United and will have a medical when he returns from Copa America duty with Argentina.
United are wary of breaching the third-party ownership rules that saw West Ham fined £5.5m by the Premier League over Tevez and Mascherano.
Mascherano's switch to Anfield did not contravene regulations, and United will follow it to the letter.
David Mcdonnell, The Mirror
 
Right... so apart from £6 million, what benefits to West Ham have of loaning out their best player to league rivals for the next two years? :confused:

And I thought Eggy said he was staying at West Ham? Surely Eggy isn't a liar?
 
Anyone else think the stench is overpowering now?

:rolleyes:

I may be a tad thick so please help me :confused:

Man U wanted to by yes, they obviously want to own him (this was yesterday)

Today they want him on loan, and if I am correct the money, 6 mil goes to Kia. :confused:

What has happened between yeasterday and today that has changed the mind of the so called greatest club in the world? :confused:

Do they know something we don't? :confused:

Will this ever go away? :rolleyes:
 
And suddenly the air was thick with the feathers of chickens coming home to roost
 
I may be a tad thick so please help me

Man U wanted to by yes, they obviously want to own him (this was yesterday)

Today they want him on loan, and if I am correct the money, 6 mil goes to Kia.

What has happened between yeasterday and today that has changed the mind of the so called greatest club in the world?

Do they know something we don't?

Yesterday the league said all the money had to go directly to westham so they are trying to work around it with a loan to buy deal which would give kia the money. But don't think the league is stupid enough to go for that either. (well I hope not)
 
My gast has never been so flabbered. As well as the tin hat and fixed bayonet which I've had for while, due to the flak we've been getting, I've got the gas mask out now.
 
Yesterday the league said all the money had to go directly to westham so they are trying to work around it with a loan to buy deal which would give kia the money. But don't think the league is stupid enough to go for that either. (well I hope not)

many thanks, I had an idea but too much midday sun i think. :rolleyes:
 
West Ham deny Tevez sale

By Telegraph online and agencies
Last Updated: 7:04pm BST 06/07/2007

West Ham have thrown Carlos Tevez's proposed move to Manchester United into turmoil by insisting there is no agreement in place for him to joining the champions.

Carlos Tevez to have medical
On duty: Tevez faced Paraguay in the Copa America last night

Tevez's representatives had been suggesting the Argentina striker's move could be finalised within 24 hours and that he is to have a medical in Venezuela but in the latest twist to an increasingly complicated transfer West Ham say the 23-year-old is under contract for a further three years and no sale can be made without their agreement.

Crucially, the Premier League are likely to back West Ham all the way in their stance.

West Ham chairman Eggert Magnusson said in a statement: "Carlos Tevez is a registered West Ham player, contracted to the club until June 2010.

"There is no agreement with West Ham for Carlos Tevez to leave the club and we expect him to return in time for next season's preparations. No decision on his future can be reached without the agreement of West Ham."

Tevez is currently in Venezuela on Copa America duty and played in Argentina's win over Paraguay last night.

The situation is further clouded by the fact United believe he is not under contract to West Ham any more and that they merely had an option to sign him for a further three years. West Ham are adamant he is still under contract and will be so until 2010.

Tevez's camp had hoped to have set up a deal worth a possible £30million and although they had been close to an agreement with Manchester United, the Premier League have demanded that any transfer is handled by West Ham and will block the move unless they are satisfied the transfer fee will go to the Upton Park club.

The league accepted in April that West Ham had terminated all agreements with Tevez's agent Kia Joorabchian - and will keep a watchful eye on any transfer to ensure that the club keep their promise.

A Premier League spokesman said: "As far as we are concerned any deal to take Carlos Tevez away from West Ham has to be done directly with the club."

One possible avenue would be for West Ham to be paid a transfer fee and then agree a compensation figure with Joorabchian for breaching contracts with his company Media Sports Investments (MSI) when they terminated those agreements following their £5.5million fine in April for breaching Premier League rules.

It is understood though that the league would want a substantial chunk of the transfer fee to remain at West Ham rather than it all be handed over to MSI in compensation, otherwise they could be accused of merely covering up the third-party agreements that has caused so much controversy.

Now West Ham are saying the transfer hasnt happend..:confused:
 

Well SSN are now reporting that Kia Bobchicken is saying that personal terms have been agreed for the outright transfer of Tevez with the permission of West Ham.

West Ham are saying that he's a West Ham player and will be registered with the club until his contract expires.

So who is right? :confused:
 
From the Times.....the last one is the most interesting......a cover up??

:rolleyes:


Manchester United are seething at suggestions that they made an illegal approach for Carlos Tévez. United were given permission by West Ham United to speak to Tévez, although Eggert Magnússon, the West Ham chairman, insisted last night that there was “no agreement” for the Argentina forward to leave the club. “No decision on his future can be reached without the agreement of West Ham,” Magnússon said.

Nonetheless, United expect to complete the signing of Tévez on a two-year loan once the player returns from Copa America in Venezuela later this month. Provided the deal is ratified by the FA Premier League, which has insisted that any fee for Tévez must be paid to West Ham and not Kia Joorabchian, the businessman who owns the economic rights to the player, the 23-year-old will undergo a medical having already agreed personal terms worth £90,000 a week.

With serious doubts still surrounding the transfer, however, The Times answers the questions that matter:

Who owns Carlos Tévez?

West Ham United hold the player’s registration. Kia Joorabchian’s Media Sports Investments firm owns the economic rights to the forward.

Does Tévez’s transfer to Manchester United mirror Javier Mascherano’s move to Liverpool in January?

Yes and no.

How do they differ?

Liverpool signed Mascherano on an 18-month loan – at the end of which they have the option to buy the player permanently – after West Ham ripped up the player’s registration and gave up any rights to him to facilitate the transfer. Joorabchian, who owns the economic rights to Mascherano as well as Tévez, was paid £1.5 million by Liverpool as part of the deal.

United have agreed a two-year loan deal for Tévez, with the option to sign the forward permanently at the end of that period, but West Ham cannot simply give up the rights to the player in this case to facilitate the transfer.

Why not?

After the verdict delivered by the independent commission into the transfer on April 27, when West Ham were fined £5.5 million, the club were given three choices. Either they stop playing Tévez, they bring the third-party agreement with Joorabchian into line with FA Premier League rule U18 so Joorabchian could not materially influence the club’s policy, or, finally, terminate its agreement with Joorabchian on the proviso that they would continue to behave in that manner and assert their rights over the player.

So what did they do?

Given that Tévez was central to the club’s hopes of staying in the Premiership, West Ham decided to terminate their agreement with Joorabchian and assert their rights over the player. As part of the agreement, West Ham would effectively have to answer to the Premier League regarding any future dealings with Tévez. Even if they wanted to, they could not simply terminate the player’s contract, but the decision left the club open to a legal action from Joorabchian for breach of contract.

So what has to happen to satisfy the Premier League before Tévez can join Manchester United?

United must strike a deal with West Ham for Tévez. That means that any fee – thought to be £6 million over the two years – would have to be paid to West Ham and not Joorabchian.

But couldn’t West Ham just receive a fee from United and then give it all to Joorabchian as compensation?

No. The Premier League would want to see that a “significant portion” of the transfer fee remained with West Ham and, given that it has power to scrutinise transactions over £25,000, that would be easy. Otherwise, it could be accused of trying to cover up the third-party agreements that caused so much controversy in the first place.

But what about Joorbachian? Won’t he try to sue West Ham if he does not receive some compensation for a player he holds the economic rights for?

He could, but it is likely that, somewhere down the line, West Ham will pay him a compensation fee in an out-of-court settlement, although that will have to be handled carefully.
 
Another interesting one from the Independant...........

The Premier League will threaten West Ham United with another inquiry if the club does not keep most of the £35m transfer fee Manchester United could pay for Carlos Tevez.

Last night West Ham reacted by asserting their "rights" to the striker which sets them on a collision course with Kia Joorabchian, the British-Iranian businessman who claims that he owns Tevez and has only loaned him.

However, in a statement the West Ham chairman, Eggert Magnusson, said: "Carlos Tevez is a registered West Ham United player, contracted to the club until June 2010. There is no agreement with West Ham United for Carlos Tevez to leave the club and we expect him to return in time for next season's preparations. No decision on his future can be reached without the agreement of West Ham United."

That claim - that Tevez is West Ham's player - will be disputed by Joorabchian and means the club face either a court battle with the entrepreneur or having to submit themselves to another Premier League disciplinary panel. To complicate matters further, it is unlikely that the panel could meet before the start of the season, with West Ham then facing the very real threat of points being deducted in the next campaign.

A Premier League source said last night that West Ham found themselves "between a rock and a hard place" and may well decide that facing Joorabchian in court - with the likelihood that they would lose the case and have to pay substantial compensation on top of the £5.5m fine already imposed upon them by the League's panel - is preferable to another inquiry.

The Premier League are adamant they will not sanction Tevez's sale unless West Ham retain "a substantial part" of the transfer fee. By that they mean most of the £35m the champions could end up paying for the Argentine if he stays with them for the next five years. Neither will the Premier League allow West Ham to loan Tevez to United - unless they receive the loan fees, which could amount to more than £10m. However that, again, would be contested by Joorabchian.

United had hoped to announce last night that they had signed Tevez in a complicated arrangement which will see the 23-year-old move to Old Trafford on an initial two-year loan with a view to a permanent three-year deal being signed if United take up an option. Tevez will be paid £90,000-a-week by United, taking the overall cost of the deal to £60m.

Joorabchian claims that West Ham are not entitled to any of the money. He says that when Tevez arrived at Upton Park last summer it was on a one-year loan deal with an option to sign for three more years if West Ham paid a fee of £40m. Furthermore, three weeks' ago he received a letter from Magnusson - whose regime was not responsible for the original deal - stating that the club would not be taking up that option and, therefore, he could talk to other clubs.

In addition United's solicitor Maurice Watkins was at Premier League headquarters yesterday morning to argue that the organisation did not have the right to say where transfer fees were paid.

It appears that West Ham have got themselves into a mess. There is little sympathy from the Premier League who, privately, believe that the best outcome could be a court case with Joorabchian.

There is also puzzlement as to why West Ham did not try to change the terms of Tevez's contract, when Javier Mascherano, who was on a similar deal, left the club for Liverpool in January. There was ample time to do so. At that time, also, the Premier League may have allowed West Ham to cancel Tevez's registration. Now they will block any such attempts, arguing that it would be an irrational decision to give away such a valuable asset.

Instead West Ham found themselves in a position where they had to unilaterally rip up their agreement with Joorabchian on the eve of their vital League match against Wigan in April and deal with the consequences later. That day of reckoning has now arrived.

One reason why the Premier League has hardened its own stance is that it says undertakings were given by West Ham on 27 April that Tevez was their player alone. That is why they will not cancel his registration and allow him to move for nothing to Manchester United. Therefore they do not accept that the terms of Tevez's proposed deal are the same as Mascherano's

West Ham's hopes rest on an argument put forward by their QC, Jim Sturman, to the first inquiry that the original agreement with Joorabchian was not legally enforcement. That argument was accepted by Simon Bourne-Arton, the QC and criminal lawyer who chaired the panel which decided that a fine, rather than points deduction, was the punishment West Ham should receive.

That decision was challenged by Sheffield United and although the subsequent arbitration panel confirmed the Blades' relegation it also suggested that West Ham should have been deducted points. That may now happen after all if, incredibly, a second inquiry is launched by the Premier League.
 
if anything happens now they will be deducted points for the upcoming season
 
It would also mean that the two decisions were made by panels 'in error of law', and/or 'in the absence of a material fact', which could lead the way to compensation.
 
From todays People..........

West Ham striker Carlos Tevez says his agents have told Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson he is joining the Premier League champions and the Argentine has insisted he is not changing his mind.
 
From the NOTW........

WEST HAM have sensationally evicted Carlos Tevez from his London apartment, ridiculing claims they want him to stay at the club.
The Hammers are still locked in a bitter fight over Tevez joining Manchester United in another controversial loan deal.

Last week they insisted the Argentinian, loaned to them by businessman Kia Joorabchian, remains under contract until 2010 and they expected him back for pre-season training.

But I can reveal the club booted the 23 year old out of his Canary Wharf penthouse four days earlier-taking away all his personal belongings and moving in their new French signing, Julien Faubert.

Tevez was in Venezuela at the time where he's playing in the Copa America tournament. A source told me: "The first Carlos knew about it was when his agent out in South America suddenly got a phone call from West ham announcing they were moving a new player into his flat that day.

"They even asked whether Carlos could arrange for soemone to take his his possessions away-even though he was in Venezuela playing in the Copa America!

"Carlos was devastated and even now has no idea where all his belongings are. He has lived in that flat ever since he arrived in London from Corinthians and has naturally bought lots of his own things since then."

West ham chairman Eggert Magnusson is desperate for compnmesation if his Tevez's £60 million loan move to Manchester United goes ahead.

Joorabchian insists he was granted permission by the Hammers at the end of the season to find his player a new club.

I can now reveal that that four weeks ago West Ham chief executive Scott Duxbury sent an email to Tevez's lawyer, Graham Shear, granting such permission.


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A legal source said: "It is utterly preposterous for West Ham to claim they have a financial stake in Carlos. There is not a court in the land that would agree.

"Tevez even helped save them from relegation, which alone saved them around £60million for staying in the top flight.

"That's surely a brilliant return for a player they got for free."

The Premier League are monitoring the saga.

A spokesman said last night: "We continue to support West Ham in exercising their rights over the player."
 
Not really gonna change much for us now though.

May get us some compo about it really despite the fixtures being easy to change.
 
"That's surely a brilliant return for a player they got for free."

The Premier League are monitoring the saga.

A spokesman said last night: "We continue to support West Ham in exercising their rights over the player."


Of course they do. If it turns out (which it probably will) That Westham has no rights everything they did was a lie.
 
Yet more stuff to confuse us............

But the Tevez camp have questioned why the Premier League did not make the same demands when Javier Mascherano left West Ham for Liverpool in January.

It is understood Mascherano signed the same deal at Liverpool - an initial loan with a view to a permanent move - that United have agreed for Tevez.

A source close to the situation said: "Why were the Premier League not interested when Mascherano moved to Liverpool? It was exactly the same deal.

"The Premier League scrutinised that transfer but did not insist on West Ham receiving any of the money from that deal."

The Premier League, however, maintain the two situations are different because the third-party agreement in Mascherano's West Ham contract was ended when he moved on to Liverpool.

But in the case of Tevez, West Ham opted to keep the player and unilaterally terminate the third-party clause in his contract following an independent disciplinary commission hearing, allowing the Argentina striker to play a key role in the Hammers' successful fight against relegation.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.../1010760_tevez_premier_league_under_fire.html
 
The Premier League, however, maintain the two situations are different because the third-party agreement in Mascherano's West Ham contract was ended when he moved on to Liverpool.

But in the case of Tevez, West Ham opted to keep the player and unilaterally terminate the third-party clause in his contract following an independent disciplinary commission hearing, allowing the Argentina striker to play a key role in the Hammers' successful fight against relegation.

Right because as part of the original hearing where Westham were not docked points part of the agreement was to tear up the third party contract and to make Tevez a Westham player with no third party interests.

Well it seems that it didn't happen that way which is exactly what McCabe and Fulham were saying in the arbitration hearing.

Tevez is still very obviously under third party contract and was inelligable to play with Westham the rest of the season. But of course somehow that wasn't found by the arbitration committee.

I wonder now how much of that sympathy for the Blades given by the arbitration committee was more of an "we're sorry but our hands are tied" type thing.

There is obviously a contract somewhere Westham failed to produce. They probably were hoping none of this would happen till things had calmed down like mid season. But Kia wasn't willing to wait.
 

From the Yahoo website.

Tevez Won't Go Back On His Word

Sun 08 Jul, 09:09 AM

Carlos Tevez won't go back on his promise to Sir Alex Ferguson that he will join Manchester United.

The Argentine striker's representatives will try to finalise his hugely-complicated move to Old Trafford within the next week after the deal reached an impasse on Friday night.

The player's agent, Kia Joorabchian, had hoped to announce that a deal was in place already but has been thwarted by the Premier League's insistence that the transfer is conducted through West Ham.

The Hammers for their part threw the proposed move into turmoil by insisting there is no agreement in place for him to join the champions.

But 23-year-old Tevez has given his word to Ferguson that he will join.

He told The People: "Through my backers, I have given my word to Mr Ferguson. They have told him I will be at Manchester United next season and once I make a promise I don't go back on it.

"There isn't a player who would turn down this opportunity and negotiations are too far advanced to go back now."

Tevez knows West Ham fans won't share his enthusiasm for the move, but says he hopes keeping them in the Premier League will temper their anger.

He added: "I hope the fans understand. I had two very good offers from foreign clubs in January but I refused because I had unfinished business.

"It would have been easy to move on, but I couldn't leave the club and the fans in that predicament.

"It will be an emotional and special day whenever I return to play them."

OH BOO HOO! Give us a break!
 

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