Team vs Burton

[Champagneblade]

A bit early, I know.

But one thing I’d like to see Chris reconsider is rotating the squad quite so much.

I’m not for one minute suggesting these were the final deciding factors, but I would question the wisdom on the following:

Defeat vs Forest - rested Leon who had just scored 4 goals in the previous two matches. Dangerous to take a player out of the team on such a rich vein, especially as Donaldson was coming back from injury. I don’t think this is a case of being wise after the event. When someone’s on fire you keep them in.

Defeat vs QPR - we were already without Fleck. As much as i like Brooks I don’t think resting Duffy was the right option. In resting Sharp as well, it effectively meant dropping the man of the match and goalscorer for a key away game.

Love Wilder but I do hope he can keep it simple in the coming months.

For Burton I’d be same as Hull unless Blackman is back or Baldock.

 

[gavtheblade]

Who are Burto? ?

Burt?

 

[Linz]

Thread title edited

 

[Cerberus Blade]

A bit early, I know.

But one thing I’d like to see Chris reconsider is rotating the squad quite so much.

I’m not for one minute suggesting these were the final deciding factors, but I would question the wisdom on the following:

Defeat vs Forest - rested Leon who had just scored 4 goals in the previous two matches. Dangerous to take a player out of the team on such a rich vein, especially as Donaldson was coming back from injury. I don’t think this is a case of being wise after the event. When someone’s on fire you keep them in.

Defeat vs QPR - we were already without Fleck. As much as i like Brooks I don’t think resting Duffy was the right option. In resting Sharp as well, it effectively meant dropping the man of the match and goalscorer for a key away game.

Love Wilder but I do hope he can keep it simple in the coming months.

For Burton I’d be same as Hull unless Blackman is back or Baldock.

I agree with a lot of that. Although some learning will hopefully come from it. He'll know that he has very limited options in midfield and up front if key players are missing - so it's becoming more obvious where we need to strengthen in Jan.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Who are Burto? ?

Burt?

No, Burto Albio

 

[Ben_1982]

A bit early, I know.

But one thing I’d like to see Chris reconsider is rotating the squad quite so much.

I’m not for one minute suggesting these were the final deciding factors, but I would question the wisdom on the following:

Defeat vs Forest - rested Leon who had just scored 4 goals in the previous two matches. Dangerous to take a player out of the team on such a rich vein, especially as Donaldson was coming back from injury. I don’t think this is a case of being wise after the event. When someone’s on fire you keep them in.

Defeat vs QPR - we were already without Fleck. As much as i like Brooks I don’t think resting Duffy was the right option. In resting Sharp as well, it effectively meant dropping the man of the match and goalscorer for a key away game.

Love Wilder but I do hope he can keep it simple in the coming months.

For Burton I’d be same as Hull unless Blackman is back or Baldock.

Why would you bring Blackman back? What did Moore do wrong on Saturday?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Surely we'll have had two weeks without a game so no need to rotate anything?

I know we have two 'big' Home games the following week, but I'd rather see us take each game at a time and stuff Burton and move on...

At the risk of sounding like a PorkTalk sympathiser, I'm just acknowledging the luck we've had by playing Burton on the Friday as it gives us an extra24 hours rest going into a big week...

 

[Lmaobob]

(If Baldock isn't fit)

Moore
Bash CCV Wright O'Connell Stevens
Coutts Fleck
Duffy
Clarke Sharp

(If Baldock is fit)

Moore
Baldock Bash Wright O'Connell Stevens
Coutts Fleck
Duffy
Clarke Sharp

The reason for taking out CCV is because he's a little bit dodgy. Probably not a little but his kicking is pretty shite (albeit he did provide a good assist to Clarke for the first goal)

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Why would you bring Blackman back? What did Moore do wrong on Saturday?

Misjudge a shot for the goal? Flap at a cross before that that led to a goalscoring chance that was wasted? I’d bring Blackman back if fit because he’s looked decent all season, before making one error. I don’t think he should be overly punished for that as it was a freak occurrence.

 

[jt64]

Surely we'll have had two weeks without a game so no need to rotate anything?

I know we have two 'big' Home games the following week, but I'd rather see us take each game at a time and stuff Burton and move on...

At the risk of sounding like a PorkTalk sympathiser, I'm just acknowledging the luck we've had by playing Burton on the Friday as it gives us an extra24 hours rest going into a big week...

It's still three games in nine days despite us (and, for that matter, the rest of the division) having had a rest - giving a couple of fringe players the chance to gain/maintain some match fitness and fight for a first team place (Stearman? Carruthers?) while keeping key players in better shape for what on paper could be trickier games later in the week seems fine to me

 

[Pinchy]

Why would you bring Blackman back? What did Moore do wrong on Saturday?

Because right now Blackman is the better keeper. Moore should have done better on their goal. He got a hand to it. Their keeper did something similar and managed to keep the ball out on a couple of occasions. The better question would be whether Moore did enough to displace Blackman.

Lundstram did nothing wrong at QPR. Why would you bring back Fleck?

 

[Bladezz]

I understand the points raised. But this is the issue we have in the Championship our squad beneath the first team isn’t of a championship standard.

Teams like Boro / Norwich / even pigs can change there team quite dramatically and the standard doesn’t differ too much.

This is why we need continuous investment. We need a push financially in Jan and the same again in the summer to continue to compete and progress.

 

[TTMeysh]

Burto Albio

Great actor, always cast as one of the bad guys in Spaghetti Westerns.

 

[BLADES1988]

(If Baldock isn't fit)

Moore
Bash CCV Wright O'Connell Stevens
Coutts Fleck
Duffy
Clarke Sharp

(If Baldock is fit)

Moore
Baldock Bash Wright O'Connell Stevens
Coutts Fleck
Duffy
Clarke Sharp

The reason for taking out CCV is because he's a little bit dodgy. Probably not a little but his kicking is pretty shite (albeit he did provide a good assist to Clarke for the first goal)

Thought he had a boot on him against Bolton!

 

[8lade]

Misjudge a shot for the goal? Flap at a cross before that that led to a goalscoring chance that was wasted? I’d bring Blackman back if fit because he’s looked decent all season, before making one error. I don’t think he should be overly punished for that as it was a freak occurrence.

Blackman has made considerably more than one error, we don't always get punished for them.

 

[Ricky]

Unchanged.

Unless Baldock's back.

I think we should be perfectly set to go and beat them.

If Burton defend deep then Sharp and Clarke is the correct front pairing.

Our midfield should keep them pinned back.

 

[ucandomagic]

He can rest players when we’re 3 up.

Magic

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I would rest Leon at Burton

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

It's still three games in nine days despite us (and, for that matter, the rest of the division) having had a rest - giving a couple of fringe players the chance to gain/maintain some match fitness and fight for a first team place (Stearman? Carruthers?) while keeping key players in better shape for what on paper could be trickier games later in the week seems fine to me

I agree, but we've seen what happens when we go in with one or more components of our spine missing.

JoC, Fleck, Coutts, Duffy, Sharp and LEON - should play/start every game for which they are fit. The fulcrum of our team is that midfield triumvirate and we aren't half the team when one of them is missing.

As others have said, take them off when we're 2 up if we're worried about resting.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Blackman has made considerably more than one error, we don't always get punished for them.

Examples?

Perhaps against pigs, second half he dallied and a piggy nearly nipped in?
A punch against Leeds that he didnt quite get right but luckily dropped to Duffy to clear?

I can’t think of any more, and these were hardly bloopers. An error of judgement against Pigs, and good decision but off centre connection to a punch clear against Leeds.
Granted his kicking isn’t great, but it’s always away at least, and Moore’s could be argued is in fact no better.

Moore is much more rooted to his line. He therefore invites pressure closer to the goal for crosses, and causes our defence to sit deeper. He’s also been prone to long shots beating him, and made numerous errors over the last 12 months, Saturday being his most recent by missing what for Blackman would have been a routine catch.
Both keepers are good, and both have won us games by making crucial saves, and both will make mistakes.
But for me, through his sheer size and command of his area Blackman seems to give the defenders confidence, and we look a better defensive unit overall. I’ve said this before, but a keeper who is so big just adds that element of doubt to an opponent when shooting, and perhaps without thinking they are aiming wider of the keeper. I’m convinced the Reading penalty miss is an example of that.

 

[Lmaobob]

I would rest Leon at Burton

rest for what game? he'll have had 2 weeks off

 

[Grizzly blade]

rest for what game? he'll have had 2 weeks off

Strikers don’t need rest. They need games to keep their touch. Play them while they are on form, because they will lose form at some point.
He might need a rest after 70 mins, but as you say he can rest for the next two weeks, and perhaps concentrate on conditioning in training. It could be an ideal chance for Wilder to give the players a long weekend off....Friday to Monday. Encourage them to go away with friends and family....maybe a big club getaway with players and families at the clubs expense all together.

But nobody should be needing a rest for the burton game, save perhaps those with knocks and niggles which would benefit from some extra rest. Clough will have a plan to deal with our attacking threat, and be of no doubt it will be effective too.
So we need our best 11 out there to get the 3 points.

 

[8lade]

Examples?

I'll have to look back (but have work shortly) I'll get back to you. My impression has always been Moore is the better keeper but Blackman has a huge presence.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I'll have to look back (but have work shortly) I'll get back to you. My impression has always been Moore is the better keeper but Blackman has a huge presence.

I think Moore is the better communicator, but has Howard-esque tendencies to slightly misjudge long-range efforts. I think Blackman would have saved the effort on Saturday, and overall commands the box better, but Moore probably wouldn’t have made the error at QPR.

 

[stringer]

I think Moore is the better communicator, but has Howard-esque tendencies to slightly misjudge long-range efforts. I think Blackman would have saved the effort on Saturday, and overall commands the box better, but Moore probably wouldn’t have made the error at QPR.

Why, is his body made of shock-proof granite?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Why, is his body made of shock-proof granite?

I don’t think he’d have come and tried to claim the cross for starters. Punched, possibly. Shouted at CCV to head clear, more likely.

 

[stringer]

I don’t think he’d have come and tried to claim the cross for starters. Punched, possibly. Shouted at CCV to head clear, more likely.

Nothing wrong with ‘keepers being decisive and coming for things. That wasn’t an error for me, just bad luck. He’d have saved that shot on Saturday, too

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Nothing wrong with ‘keepers being decisive and coming for things. That wasn’t an error for me, just bad luck.

For me it was both, and something that will naturally happen with keepers that are more decisive in those situations. You will get errors every once in a while, but you will also see more instances of the danger being removed by the action taken – in the latter stages vs Leeds I thought he was excellent at this. That’s why I hope he returns to the team.

 

[Foody]

I'll have to look back (but have work shortly) I'll get back to you. My impression has always been Moore is the better keeper but Blackman has a huge presence.

At this moment in time there's no debate who is our best keeper. Blackman has made 1 goal costing error and perhaps 3 or 4 non critical errors in 15 games. In those 15 games we have had the 3rd best defensive record in the league. Moore has made 1 goal costing error and 1 non critical error in 1 game!
How could you possibly justify Blackman not getting his shirt back, beyond just a general feeling he'll make a mistake.

 

[Tommoblade66]

A bit early, I know.

But one thing I’d like to see Chris reconsider is rotating the squad quite so much.

Nah, start looking at that when the pitches start getting heavy