Tanganga

[Wright1889]

Should never be a right back, debut was our best player at CB, has never played in his natural position again. This is really basic stuff how can we continuously get it so wrong every time?

Only we would sign the best CB in the championship and then play him at RB. The planning this summer has been atrocious and the blame sits directly with the owners/board.

Godfrey was wank for Ipswich last season(when he played), I know we’ll sign him for us in an even more physical league? Was crying out for a right back in the summer and we didn’t actually sign one? How does that even happen?

Why have we signed a centre back to play right back who has not shown anything encouraging in the last 2/3 seasons?


We need a director of football NOW.

 

[bartman]

Should never be a right back, debut was our best player at CB, has never played in his natural position again. This is really basic stuff how can we continuously get it so wrong every time?

Only we would sign the best CB in the championship and then play him at RB. The planning this summer has been atrocious and the blame sits directly with the owners/board.

Godfrey was wank for Ipswich last season(when he played), I know we’ll sign him for us in an even more physical league? Was crying out for a right back in the summer and we didn’t actually sign one? How does that even happen?

Why have we signed a centre back to play right back who has not shown anything encouraging in the last 2/3 seasons?


We need a director of football NOW.

Three things

1. He hasn't been playing as a right back
2. A DOF would not pick the team or the positions a manager wishes players to play
3. Wouldn't a manager at championship level want an influence or the final decsion on who to sign?

 

[loyalblade95]

True, we do need a Director of Football and and yes we should have signed a conventional RB in the summer, but we're not playing with a system that requires a traditional RB.

Last night's system:

----Tanganga-McGuinness-Mee
Ogbene----------------------------Burrows

When defending, Burrows seems to drop back and Tanganga will move across to create a back 4, while Ogbene stays forward to serve as an outlet.

Just like how we switched to a back 3/5 in 16/17 to get Jake Wright into the team, we're doing the same thing this season to get Ben Mee into the team, as we're better in defence when he's playing.

What we should have been doing last night when we were attacking is this:

----Tanganga-McGuinness-Mee
-----------Riedewald
-----------------------------Peck
Ogbene----------------------------Burrows

Riedewald hangs back to shield the defence, Peck moves into space that would have been left as we pushed Preston back, while Ogbene and Burrows got forward down the wings to support the attack.

But whenever we did do that, we didn't make the chances count and ultimately that was what cost us in the end.

 

[Working Class Hero]

Is he playing right back, or the right of three centre backs?

Either way it's a joke that we haven't had a proper right back for two years now.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Three things

Wouldn't a manager at championship level want an influence or the final decsion on who to sign?

They should influence it but not have the final decision because managers, understandably, tend to be all about the short term whereas a DOF is strategically considering the longer picture.

 

[Blades1971]

Burrows is no defender. Too small. Not physical enough.
Got rolled for the first goal. Nice left foot. Let's leave it at that.

 

[Wright1889]

Three things

1. He hasn't been playing as a right back
2. A DOF would not pick the team or the positions a manager wishes players to play
3. Wouldn't a manager at championship level want an influence or the final decsion on who to sign?

Three replies

1. He’s playing in the same areas a right back should be playing, It doesn’t matter if you interpret a 3 or 4 at the back. Ogbene is certainly not playing RWB he’s miles higher up than a Seriki is for example.
2. A DoF can question why the best CB in the league is playing RB.
3. I don’t care what a manager would or wouldn’t like, they can suck it up or move on.

 

[Bladesman]

Worst game for us last night that said I think in the last few games he has been okay at RB or RCB whatever the fuck it is we are playing.

 

[Jan Age]

Ogbene offers nothing so JT is laying CB, RB and RW

 

[dc_blade]

Wilder played a CB at RB the first half of last season as well (Gilchrist). It’s a combination of his cautious approach and appalling recruitment.

 

[Striker]

Burrows is no defender. Too small. Not physical enough.
Got rolled for the first goal. Nice left foot. Let's leave it at that.

And also failed to challenge for the header when Tanganga scored the own goal. Any ball played from their left to our left back spot exposes Burrows defending.

 

[SwissBlade]

Should never be a right back, debut was our best player at CB, has never played in his natural position again. This is really basic stuff how can we continuously get it so wrong every time?

Only we would sign the best CB in the championship and then play him at RB. The planning this summer has been atrocious and the blame sits directly with the owners/board.

Godfrey was wank for Ipswich last season(when he played), I know we’ll sign him for us in an even more physical league? Was crying out for a right back in the summer and we didn’t actually sign one? How does that even happen?

Why have we signed a centre back to play right back who has not shown anything encouraging in the last 2/3 seasons?


We need a director of football NOW.

we don't have another fit right back do we?

 

[ATL Recs]

Should never be a right back, debut was our best player at CB, has never played in his natural position again. This is really basic stuff how can we continuously get it so wrong every time?

Only we would sign the best CB in the championship and then play him at RB. The planning this summer has been atrocious and the blame sits directly with the owners/board.

Godfrey was wank for Ipswich last season(when he played), I know we’ll sign him for us in an even more physical league? Was crying out for a right back in the summer and we didn’t actually sign one? How does that even happen?

Why have we signed a centre back to play right back who has not shown anything encouraging in the last 2/3 seasons?


We need a director of football NOW.

I’ve mentioned this elsewhere he also doesn’t look happy comfortable playing the role

 

[ATL Recs]

Three things

1. He hasn't been playing as a right back
2. A DOF would not pick the team or the positions a manager wishes players to play
3. Wouldn't a manager at championship level want an influence or the final decsion on who to sign?

1 but he is R CH in a three whose getting pulled into the RB due to the WB in front of him

 

[Wright1889]

we don't have another fit right back do we?

That’s my whole point.

 

[FredZeppelin]

He might not be playing as right back but that is exactly what he has been playing.

This leaves the pathetic combination of Mee and McGuinness in the middle.

Make it make sense Chris!

utb

 

[SwissBlade]

That’s my whole point.

So he's filling in whilst the injured / personal circumstances players are out...

 

[bakeblade]

He might not be playing as right back but that is exactly what he has been playing.

This leaves the pathetic combination of Mee and McGuinness in the middle.

Make it make sense Chris!

utb

Mee, Tanganga and McGuiness are our best defenders unfortunately, so CW is trying to shoehorn them all in.
Unfortunately it leaves Tanganga in a position he's not suited to (he also doesn't suit a 3).
At some stage he needs to drop one of them

 

[itsinyerblood]

Burrows is no defender. Too small. Not physical enough.
Got rolled for the first goal. Nice left foot. Let's leave it at that.

Not necessarily so.......Alan Wright, he of a diminutive build, did ok for the Blades so it's more a case of application and mindset I think.

 

[Bergen Blade]

True, we do need a Director of Football and and yes we should have signed a conventional RB in the summer, but we're not playing with a system that requires a traditional RB.

Last night's system:

----Tanganga-McGuinness-Mee
Ogbene----------------------------Burrows

When defending, Burrows seems to drop back and Tanganga will move across to create a back 4, while Ogbene stays forward to serve as an outlet.

Just like how we switched to a back 3/5 in 16/17 to get Jake Wright into the team, we're doing the same thing this season to get Ben Mee into the team, as we're better in defence when he's playing.

What we should have been doing last night when we were attacking is this:

----Tanganga-McGuinness-Mee
-----------Riedewald
-----------------------------Peck
Ogbene----------------------------Burrows

Riedewald hangs back to shield the defence, Peck moves into space that would have been left as we pushed Preston back, while Ogbene and Burrows got forward down the wings to support the attack.

But whenever we did do that, we didn't make the chances count and ultimately that was what cost us in the end.

We need to reach an agreement on our formation, as it does influence people's expectations on certain players and their roles.

After the international break we've played a back four with Tanganga at right back.

The photo below shows our formation:



It's a 4-2-3-1, or a 4-4-1-1, depending on where you like to describe your midfield wide players.

Remember that the generally accepted way of describing a team's formation is based on how they line up when defending, and I'd add that the assessment shouldn't be made when the team is pressing high.

 

[Bergen Blade]

we don't have another fit right back do we?

United RB XI

1. Seriki
2. Godfrey
3. Ogbene
4. Tanganga
5. Shackleton
6. Polendakov
7. Sachdev
8. Curtis
9. Waldron
10. Colechin
11. Okyere

 

[Roygbiv]

We need to reach an agreement on our formation, as it does influence people's expectations on certain players and their roles.

After the international break we've played a back four with Tanganga at right back.

The photo below shows our formation:

View attachment 224344

It's a 4-2-3-1, or a 4-4-1-1, depending on where you like to describe your midfield wide players.

Remember that the generally accepted way of describing a team's formation is based on how they line up when defending, and I'd add that the assessment shouldn't be made when the team is pressing high.

Yeah he is definitely playing right back and it's obviously not his best position. The problem is Seriki has vanished, Godfrey has off the field issues and Shackleton has been out for a year. I get why we are playing him there but he's our best centre half and I think he shook be playing there

 

[Bergen Blade]

Wilder played a CB at RB the first half of last season as well (Gilchrist). It’s a combination of his cautious approach and appalling recruitment.

It's something a few teams have done. Newcastle is maybe the best example, playing Dan Burn at left back for a lengthy period. If the player can hold his own against nippy wingers, you manage to include an extra aerially dominant player, which can be handy in both boxes.

You lose something as well, as most centre backs are more limited in terms of attacking attributes (set piece threat apart).

 

[Ginger Gnome]

We need to reach an agreement on our formation, as it does influence people's expectations on certain players and their roles.

After the international break we've played a back four with Tanganga at right back.

The photo below shows our formation:

View attachment 224344

It's a 4-2-3-1, or a 4-4-1-1, depending on where you like to describe your midfield wide players.

Remember that the generally accepted way of describing a team's formation is based on how they line up when defending, and I'd add that the assessment shouldn't be made when the team is pressing high.

At times we've played that but I think it's still supposed to be slightly fluid, as other times when we're in our own box, Ogbene has been much deeper as part of a back five, with Tanganga very much playing as a third centre back rather than full back.

Seriki should be right back by default really, but you lose that flexibility in shape as if he was in place of Ogbene he'd be pushed up like a winger most of the time, but if he went in where Tanganga has been playing, he'd be fine when we're shaped like a back four but not really suited to tucking in as the third centre back at times (Shackleton also completely inappropriate for this due to being about 3ft tall).

Godfrey is more suited to the job Tanganga is doing in theory, but he was useless, then not available, so Tanganga is stuck with a job that's not getting the best out of him.

 

[Bergen Blade]

And also failed to challenge for the header when Tanganga scored the own goal. Any ball played from their left to our left back spot exposes Burrows defending.

Preston put a block on Mee and McGuinness, meaning there was a big gap between Tanganga and Burrows which they could exploit:



Their centre half Storey beat Burrows in the air, and it caused enough problems for us to force an own goal.

 

[sitwell]

After the last few games people praised him on here about his strength and how well he was playing, he has one bad game and now he cant play in that position and Wilders recruitment is shit ( even though he wasnt here).

 

[Bergen Blade]

At times we've played that but I think it's still supposed to be slightly fluid, as other times when we're in our own box, Ogbene has been much deeper as part of a back five, with Tanganga very much playing as a third centre back rather than full back.

Seriki should be right back by default really, but you lose that flexibility in shape as if he was in place of Ogbene he'd be pushed up like a winger most of the time, but if he went in where Tanganga has been playing, he'd be fine when we're shaped like a back four but not really suited to tucking in as the third centre back at times (Shackleton also completely inappropriate for this due to being about 3ft tall).

Godfrey is more suited to the job Tanganga is doing in theory, but he was useless, then not available, so Tanganga is stuck with a job that's not getting the best out of him.

At Hull Ogbene played sort of a switched position, like a wing back pushing forward whenever we won possession or pressed high. But we've toned that down after the international break. If you listened to Wilder's interview after Watford he commented that they'd been working on getting more players forward and into the box, and there has been a switch to a back four to help with that. Ogbene may still be instructed to help out, or even drop deeper, if we're put under pressure, but that happened so rarely last night that it is not correct to describe him as a wing back, nor our basic formation as a back 3/5.

 

[bakeblade]

United RB XI

1. Seriki
2. Godfrey
3. Ogbene
4. Tanganga
5. Shackleton
6. Polendakov
7. Sachdev
8. Curtis
9. Waldron
10. Colechin
11. Okyere

The question needs rephrasing to ' we don't have a decent, specialist right back '

 

[Wright1889]

So he's filling in whilst the injured / personal circumstances players are out...

Are you referring to Ben Godfrey, who’s a CB not a RB? Or someone else?

 

[Tickhill Blade]

Preston put a block on Mee and McGuinness, meaning there was a big gap between Tanganga and Burrows which they could exploit:

View attachment 224347

Their centre half Storey beat Burrows in the air, and it caused enough problems for us to force an own goal.

From that image, I see two experienced centre halves the wrong side of their men, meaning a 40 yard ball pumped into the middle of the box is defended by Burrows (shit in the air). It really is basic schoolboy stuff.