Tactics

[Ashtonsmashton]

It's Adkins tactics, the problem from the start,you can read them like a book. Fans get annoyed at them. Your gonna say well he's got other teams out the league with these tactics, I saw Adkins Southampton play and they might have had the same tactics but they were faster. The type on players they had fitted the style of play. Our players don't. Ours panic, get scared, don't pass the ball fast enough or well enough.

The basic Adkins tactics:

Goalkeeper passes it to right or left back, who then continues to pass it along the back for a while rather than running with the ball. After awhile we pass it to a midfield who fails to see the runs of many players so passes it back to the defence. Then we try to find a winger, when that doesn't work we pass it back to the defence who pass it too the other side. After this I start to think about other things such as what time is my train? Until we finally start to get into somewhere positive and promising, and then we pass it back to the defence rather than putting a 50/50 ball into the box.

 

[mosbolad]

 

[boo radley]

It's Adkins tactics, the problem from the start,you can read them like a book. Fans get annoyed at them. Your gonna say well he's got other teams out the league with these tactics, I saw Adkins Southampton play and they might have had the same tactics but they were faster. The type on players they had fitted the style of play. Our players don't. Ours panic, get scared, don't pass the ball fast enough or well enough.

The basic Adkins tactics:

Goalkeeper passes it to right or left back, who then continues to pass it along the back for a while rather than running with the ball. After awhile we pass it to a midfield who fails to see the runs of many players so passes it back to the defence. Then we try to find a winger, when that doesn't work we pass it back to the defence who pass it too the other side. After this I start to think about other things such as what time is my train? Until we finally start to get into somewhere positive and promising, and then we pass it back to the defence rather than putting a 50/50 ball into the box.

We are physical enough to compete for 50/50 balls and that is why we have to play keep ball and not take too many risks.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Lets HOOOOFFFFFF it

 

[brownie4583]

It improved at ht when Baxter came on he picked out some good passes.
My team would be
Howard
Freeman/Flynn Basham Collins Wallace
JCR Baxter Hammond Adams
Sharp Done/Sammon

 

[him behind you]

It's Adkins tactics, the problem from the start,you can read them like a book. Fans get annoyed at them. Your gonna say well he's got other teams out the league with these tactics, I saw Adkins Southampton play and they might have had the same tactics but they were faster. The type on players they had fitted the style of play. Our players don't. Ours panic, get scared, don't pass the ball fast enough or well enough.

The basic Adkins tactics:

Goalkeeper passes it to right or left back, who then continues to pass it along the back for a while rather than running with the ball. After awhile we pass it to a midfield who fails to see the runs of many players so passes it back to the defence. Then we try to find a winger, when that doesn't work we pass it back to the defence who pass it too the other side. After this I start to think about other things such as what time is my train? Until we finally start to get into somewhere positive and promising, and then we pass it back to the defence rather than putting a 50/50 ball into the box.

Got to say Ashton, I'd like some of what you take before a match if you see runs of many players because during the last 3-4 games you've been seeing 2 or 3 Billy Sharp's 'cos none of the other forward players have moved until the ball gets beyond them.

 

[Caseh]

The players have no chance of adapting to his tactics if he switches away from them because they're not fluent right now.

 

[Preecey]

It's been the same issue since we came down into this league: not being able to tackle or evade tackles. The managers we've has since coming down have all stuck men behind the ball and allowed teams to come on, all bar Adkins really. This mentality has been transferred from player to player. If the players practised competing and tackling with each other in training we'd be doing much better. Apart from our new additions, they look scared to have the ball at their feet (Baxter and Adams excluded).

 

[FTPE]

Can anyone explain to me the benefits of Sammon on the wing?

 

[Balham]

Can anyone explain to me the benefits of Sammon on the wing?

Less likely to miss from 3 yards out?

 

[JasonEllis]

Can anyone explain to me the benefits of Sammon on the wing?

Istm (one for you there WHF) that on Saturday he was used as a target for cross field balls/clearances in order to give us something different than the slow build up. I think that Adkins was trying to mix it up a little and vary our attacks. Although he was positioned on the wing for goal kicks and whilst the ball was with out GK/DEF this seemed to me to just be an attempt to stretch their back four across the pitch. If the long ball was not played to him, Sammon then seemed to move more central, the same as when the ball was on our left wing on the floor : Wallace, Adams and Baxter would occupy the space and Sammon would drift into the centre.*

*then again, what do I know!!

 

[1danewhitehouse]

The players need to learn and develop in line with Adkins' style. The problem is, if a manager comes in, doesn't get immediate results, gets sacked and then players are again trying to adapt to a new style and the same problems materialise time after time and the cycle just repeats itself.

We've now got a manager with the CV to say he is capable we need to break the cycle and give him the time to assemble and develop a side to play how he wants them to play.

I's sure his tactics don't involve moving the ball as slowly as we do at times or McGahey (and others but he's the main culprit) being terrified of passing the ball more than 5 yards. The players need to grow into the style of football and those that can't need to be moved on and be replaced by players that can. That takes time though.

 

[coaxingstar71]

It's Adkins tactics, the problem from the start,you can read them like a book. Fans get annoyed at them. Your gonna say well he's got other teams out the league with these tactics, I saw Adkins Southampton play and they might have had the same tactics but they were faster. The type on players they had fitted the style of play. Our players don't. Ours panic, get scared, don't pass the ball fast enough or well enough.

The basic Adkins tactics:

Goalkeeper passes it to right or left back, who then continues to pass it along the back for a while rather than running with the ball. After awhile we pass it to a midfield who fails to see the runs of many players so passes it back to the defence. Then we try to find a winger, when that doesn't work we pass it back to the defence who pass it too the other side. After this I start to think about other things such as what time is my train? Until we finally start to get into somewhere positive and promising, and then we pass it back to the defence rather than putting a 50/50 ball into the box.

I know what you mean however I still think our overall play has improved since last season when for the most part we had one up and ended up in most games going nowhere.

I haven't got a problem with the knocking it sideways and back and forth if it's because there is no one "showing" - for me this has been a constant problem whether it's down to lack of movement from our forwards or good disciplined defending. I think we need to keep recycling the play, looking for different angles and certainly not giving possession away cheaply by simply knocking it up. That's not to say we shouldn't do that occasionally and would work better with Sammon up there.

Having said that, I think you can talk about tactics and formations all day long but as long as players are not playing out of position, I think players either win or lose you games. Done for example had a poor game v Millwall but was stuck out on the wing, not his best position. In the game v Fleetwood, the forwards appeared to rotate positions and this seemed to work better.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Can anyone explain to me the benefits of Sammon on the wing?

That's one post that won't be answered.