Surprised that only once it happened in our history when a win on last day of season

[Silent Blade]

saved us from relegation. Had a check and it was in the 1929-30 season

The table looked like this before our last game of the season (away to Man U)


We won 5-1 at Man U despite Burnley (6-2) and Everton (4-1) winning their last home games! Newcastle, Boro and Grimsby won their games too.

Might happen again when we play at home to Burnley in the last game of this season?

 

[bongleblade]

grimsby town above us #tinpot

 

[Trigger Blade]

Silent,

Would it be possible to crop this league table, in order that we don’t have to see who won the league that season, there’s really no need for it

 

[finlaytheblade]

saved us from relegation. Had a check and it was in the 1929-30 season

The table looked like this before our last game of the season (away to Man U)

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We won 5-1 at Man U despite Burnley (6-2) and Everton (4-1) winning their last home games! Newcastle, Boro and Grimsby won their games too.

Might happen again when we play at home to Burnley in the last game of this season?

I'd take that Silent win last match to stay up.
Wigan did us on last day last time we were in that position.

 

[Addison]

We don't do last day season miracles much do we. I've seen Chelsea twice in 68 and 94 and Wigan in 2008 from the top division. The worst being Walsall in the third division in 1981. I really hope it doesn't come down to a last day decider but of course it would be good to break the hoodoo at last if it does happen.

 

[Swannyblade]

I’m surprised that it happened at all...not very bladey

 

[I'll tell me dad.]

Did only two go down then, if all bottom six teams won how did that save us?

 

[Silent Blade]

Did only two go down then, if all bottom six teams won how did that save us?

Two went down. 1973-74 was the first season for three up, three down.

 

[Geordie Blade]

When looking at old league tables, Im always struck by how much home advantage there seems to be. Even the worst teams tend to win half of their home games, and the top sides struggle to get six away wins all season. Home advantage has definitely ebbed away over time (even more so this season of course).

 

[Revolution]

saved us from relegation. Had a check and it was in the 1929-30 season

The table looked like this before our last game of the season (away to Man U)

View attachment 94348
We won 5-1 at Man U despite Burnley (6-2) and Everton (4-1) winning their last home games! Newcastle, Boro and Grimsby won their games too.

Might happen again when we play at home to Burnley in the last game of this season?

I’m surprised you didn’t know that. It’s been mentioned on here before.

our record when we need to do something on the last day of the season is wretched. Plus other results rarely go for us.

 

[finlaytheblade]

We don't do last day season miracles much do we. I've seen Chelsea twice in 68 and 94 and Wigan in 2008 from the top division. The worst being Walsall in the third division in 1981. I really hope it doesn't come down to a last day decider but of course it would be good to break the hoodoo at last if it does happen.

Yep our last day history is shocking , have to break the hoodoo sometime .Fingers crossed we're not in that position come the end of season.

 

[bypassblade]

I didn't think it had happened in my lifetime, as usual we have the knack of making a right dogs dinner out of it & going down.

 

[I should coco]

When looking at old league tables, Im always struck by how much home advantage there seems to be. Even the worst teams tend to win half of their home games, and the top sides struggle to get six away wins all season. Home advantage has definitely ebbed away over time (even more so this season of course).

Teams travelling to an away game didn't always charter a private jet and stop in a 5* hotel the night before the game.....

 

[Revolution]

Our record when we could have been relegated on the last day of the season:

1930 - won and stayed up
1949 - drew when a win would have saved us
1968 - lost when a draw would have saved us
1979 - drew when an 8-0 win might have saved us
1981 - same as 1968
1988 - relegated in playoffs, but won on last day of regular season when defeat could have sent us down had other results gone against us.
1993 - a bit silly this one, but won when a 13-goal defeat would have sent us down
1994 - same as 1968
2007 - same as 1968

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Did only two go down then, if all bottom six teams won how did that save us?

Two went down. 1973-74 was the first season for three up, three down.

Not forgetting goal average which was used in those days, prior to the introduction of goal difference.

Explanation from Wiki

Goal difference - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Goal average was replaced by goal difference due to the former's encouragement of lower-scoring games. For example, a team that scores 70 while conceding 40 would have a lesser goal average (1.750) than another team that scores 69 while conceding 39 (1.769). Or, for the team that has scored 70 while conceding 40, conceding another would reduce the goal average by 0.043 (to 1.707), whereas scoring another would increase it by only 0.025 (to 1.775), making not conceding much more important than scoring again.
Another issue with goal average is that, if a team has conceded no goals (e.g. Group 1 of the 1966 World Cup), the value cannot be calculated, as division by zero is undefined."

 

[Silent Blade]

1968 - lost when a draw would have saved us

0-0,1-1 and 2-2 draw would still have relegated us. A 3-3 draw would have put us on the same GA as Coventry

 

[Revolution]

Not forgetting goal average which was used in those days, prior to the introduction of goal difference.

Explanation from Wiki

Goal difference - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Goal average was replaced by goal difference due to the former's encouragement of lower-scoring games. For example, a team that scores 70 while conceding 40 would have a lesser goal average (1.750) than another team that scores 69 while conceding 39 (1.769). Or, for the team that has scored 70 while conceding 40, conceding another would reduce the goal average by 0.043 (to 1.707), whereas scoring another would increase it by only 0.025 (to 1.775), making not conceding much more important than scoring again.
Another issue with goal average is that, if a team has conceded no goals (e.g. Group 1 of the 1966 World Cup), the value cannot be calculated, as division by zero is undefined."

goal average injustice:

Gillingham won division 4 in 1964 scoring 59 goals and conceding 30.

Carlisle were second on the same points having scored 113 and conceded 58.

Carlisle’s GA was 0.019 worse. Their goal difference was 26 better. So unfair.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

goal average injustice:

Gillingham won division 4 in 1964 scoring 59 goals and conceding 30.

Carlisle were second on the same points having scored 113 and conceded 58.

Carlisle’s GA was 0.019 worse. Their goal difference was 26 better. So unfair.

You're right, it was unfair.

Wasn't there a situation between us an our porcine neighbours where they benefited from goal average over us?

Bet Silent Blade knows although I could be completely wrong

 

[bypassblade]

When we went down to 4th I'm sure we only went in bottom 4 on last day of season & are only team relegated with a plus GD.

 

[Silent Blade]

You're right, it was unfair.

Wasn't there a situation between us an our porcine neighbours where they benefited from goal average over us?

Bet Silent Blade knows although I could be completely wrong

Yes in 1949-50. We had played all our games and Wendy needed a 0-0 draw against champions Spurs. If it was now then a 0-0 draw would mean 2nd place for us

 

[Revolution]

You're right, it was unfair.

Wasn't there a situation between us an our porcine neighbours where they benefited from goal average over us?

Bet Silent Blade knows although I could be completely wrong

1949-50 I think.

 

[Revolution]

Yes in 1949-50. We had played all our games and Wendy needed a 0-0 draw against champions Spurs. If it was now then a 0-0 draw would mean 2nd place for us

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A 1-1 draw for Wednesday would have meant the teams were tied with identical points and goals for and against.

 

[Silent Blade]

A 1-1 draw for Wednesday would have meant the teams were tied with identical points and goals for and against.

I remember in the 1970s that if teams had the same points and GA then the team with the higher number of wins would finish higher. Not sure if that was the ruling in 1950

 

[Revolution]

I remember in the 1970s that if teams had the same points and GA then the team with the higher number of wins would finish higher. Not sure if that was the ruling in 1950

I am sure I read somewhere that it had been decided that the teams would play off if there was a tie, but I can’t find the reference.

 

[Sheff de party]

saved us from relegation. Had a check and it was in the 1929-30 season

The table looked like this before our last game of the season (away to Man U)

View attachment 94348
We won 5-1 at Man U despite Burnley (6-2) and Everton (4-1) winning their last home games! Newcastle, Boro and Grimsby won their games too.

Might happen again when we play at home to Burnley in the last game of this season?

Bottom five won? What an accumulator that would have been.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Yes in 1949-50. We had played all our games and Wendy needed a 0-0 draw against champions Spurs. If it was now then a 0-0 draw would mean 2nd place for us

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I knew you'd know, my friend

 

[Racing Blade]

Teams travelling to an away game didn't always charter a private jet and stop in a 5* hotel the night before the game.....

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Southampton away on the back of that!

Must have been difficult to stand up straight, never mind play a high press in a
3-5-2 formation.

 

[bladesfan]

Why are we in total doom? Won 70, 71 against Watford 3-0 got promoted, do I have to say Leicester? Shall I say more young spunk glory grabbers, go back to being a pig fan.

 

[I'll tell me dad.]

I'm not surprised it's ONLY happened once, I'm more surprised that is HAS happened once.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

When looking at old league tables, Im always struck by how much home advantage there seems to be. Even the worst teams tend to win half of their home games, and the top sides struggle to get six away wins all season. Home advantage has definitely ebbed away over time (even more so this season of course).

In the 50s and early 60s United, like many other clubs, used to travel long-distance by train on the day of the match. So for matches in Bristol, Luton, London, etc, the queue at the Midland Station for cheap-day return tickets included supporters and a club official buying around 20 tickets. Great for us autograph hunters, but poor physical preparation for away games.