SUFC : Get your hand in your pocket again.

[JJ Sefton]

Fair play to you. Is anyone willing to act as purseholder out there to payout the £400 to the winner to ensure there is no back-sliding by either party?

 

[ghandi]

ghandi , tell you what . Shall the winner of the bet chuck the money into a agreed charity . At the end of the day we both want the same thing . Promotion. You are a gent .

UTB

Happy to go with Whitehawk's suggestion loser pays into charity of winners choice. Done deal?

 

[Tezza1889]

I don't mind the post mate but i can categorically say we did not overachieve last season,no way.At the start of the season promotion was the only thing in our minds and for reasons known we got nowhere near it.

My bad, I still don't consider the weir days as part of the season, for me and many others the season started when weir was sacked and clough arrived if that makes any sense, although factually i know you are correct everybody I spoke too and all who were going to games knew it was season over in the last days of weir regarding promotion, so to miss out on 6th by the odd point or so was overachieving, just my opinion, as was the cup run, while it put us in the spotlight and we made money, could we have made the top six without being in it??.. who knows, but it was a great 6 months to be a blade wasn't it..

Remember the fans cheering when the strewards were being told to take new positions on the away end, and brandy being cheered as if he scored when we had a shot after 40 minutes, it was that bad.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

Shall the winner of the bet chuck the money into a agreed charity

I have a suggestion - maybe the £200 should go to foxy and linz towards running the forum. Just a thought.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

The realistic targets that we missed out on.

Chris O'Grady
Kieron Agard
Sam Winnall
Mason Bennett

Next one we will miss out on I reckon will be Tom Pope.

Question I'd like answered by the club is how come Winnall if he was a target finished up at Barnsley instead of The Lane if we have investment money?

I'm not saying Winnall is the answer I'm asking why can Barnsley out bid us?

 

[Tezza1889]

Question I'd like answered by the club is how come Winnall if he was a target finished up at Barnsley instead of The Lane if we have investment money?

I'm not saying Winnall is the answer I'm asking why can Barnsley out bid us?

Tell you what confused me, we had three targets that we missed because we couldn't meet financial demands of the player, so we miss the first target, but then doesn't that mean we have a third more to spend per player on the remaining two targets regarding wages? "Etc" when the second target is missed, or have we a wage cap in place, as I suspect, and hope to be honest..


Almost forgot, barnsley have parachute money do they not?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Tell you what confused me, we had three targets that we missed because we couldn't meet financial demands of the player, so we miss the first target, but then doesn't that mean we have a third more to spend per player on the remaining two targets regarding wages? "Etc" when the second target is missed, or have we a wage cap in place, as I suspect, and hope to be honest..

A wage cap would be sensible to keep 3rd division players happy but it's a well made point about the budget raising as each target falls away.
Slightly different at a top club where the new player coming in is earning 30% more than you but can help put those winners medals in your top drawer to show the grandkids at a later date.

 

[Bladesway]

I have a suggestion - maybe the £200 should go to foxy and linz towards running the forum. Just a thought.

That doesn't put the winner of the bet in an awkward position does it?

 

[RedandWhite]

Look at recent history and whenever SUFC have dared to put their hands in their pockets we have (even with average managers) done well. With the exception of Robson who was a terrible manager, look at Blackwell, Wilson, Spackman and Warnock when the money was pumped in we performed far better.

Warnock got us promoted when McCabe gave him a little money and allowed him players like Ifill. Probably our biggest achievement in the past 20 years.

Blackwell inherited a team of very good players and hence for a season or so we looked the dogs bollocks getting within a whisker of promotion. As soon as McCabe pulled the rug it slid backwards to where we were when Wilson took over.

Wilsons first season we had a good team and we played good football. It wasn't extravagant but when he was supported we once more got within a whisker of promotion and certainly one of the highest points hauls in recent history. Second season McCabe pulled the plug and hey presto backwards we went.

So we get to where we are today with Clough. A capable if unspectacular manager who most of us would say is doing a good job albeit with limited resources. Our patchwork team is going to be within touching distance of the play off spots if not automatic promotion come January. If we want out of this shithole division and we have faith in the man managing the team, shouldn't we put this game changing money into this team with a view to promotion?

Fact is, if we don't then we won't get promoted and we will be binning off another manager at the end of the season. Then where do we go? Law of diminishing returns tells you it won't be a better manager. Another untried and untested newbie? Not after what happened with Weir. So you go into the realms of journeymen in the hope we can attract someone who will work with no funding and work miracles.

For me, it doesn't have to be tens of millions but enough to get 3-4 quality players into the club. Not £200k bids but actually paying market rate and taking a chance. Because if we don't we will still be in the third division this season, next season and beyond.

Now is an opportunity to change our position. Its a chance for McCabe to put a more positive legacy in place but more importantly its an opportunity for us to go forwards as a collective rather than backwards and squabbling in a heap.

But that's it, we don't have any money to splash, it's alright saying "McCabe now's the time", but when we are not even in the top 10 richest clubs in league one we cant afford these 3-4 quality players

 

[Bladesway]

But that's it, we don't have any money to splash, it's alright saying "McCabe now's the time", but when we are not even in the top 10 richest clubs in league one we cant afford these 3-4 quality players

So game changing investment doesn't mean money into the club to "change the game" it means what?

 

[Bladesman]

So game changing investment doesn't mean money into the club to "change the game" it means what?

It means we get new grass.

 

[Latters]

It means we get new grass.

This isn't just grass, it's grass intertwined with gold leaf, platinum and magic that will only benefit our players (said in sexy Marks and Spencer lady voice).

 

[RedandWhite]

So game changing investment doesn't mean money into the club to "change the game" it means what?

Who knows what the game changing investment was, did anyone actually get a figure, not just a rumour about Liverpools budget?
No one actually knows what our financial state is, but I'm pretty sure we are not rich.

 

[Bladesway]

Who knows what the game changing investment was, did anyone actually get a figure, not just a rumour about Liverpools budget?
No one actually knows what our financial state is, but I'm pretty sure we are not rich.

By definition game changing is big. It's big enough to change how we go about our business I would think. There is money to invest into the first team above what you would previously expected. Do you think that's a fair description of game changing?

 

[Balham]

The realistic targets that we missed out on.

Chris O'Grady
Kieron Agard
Sam Winnall
Mason Bennett

Next one we will miss out on I reckon will be Tom Pope.

Agree on Winnall and Bennett but not on Agard and O'Grady: Agard wanted to be back down south and O'Grady's wage demands were beyond us.

Tom Pope is exactly the sort of signing I'd expect us to make. He's 29 so would have minimal resale value and has had one good season in his career: three years ago in League Two. Signing players like him is what got us in this mess and it certainly won't get us out.

 

[Rossb123]

Agree on Winnall and Bennett but not on Agard and O'Grady: Agard wanted to be back down south and O'Grady's wage demands were beyond us.

Tom Pope is exactly the sort of signing I'd expect us to make. He's 29 so would have minimal resale value and has had one good season in his career: three years ago in League Two. Signing players like him is what got us in this mess and it certainly won't get us out.

Agree with your comments on Tom Pope, he is an average league one player and we have enough of them already.

I have to question our scouting when it comes to the recruitment of a striker, we haven't had an exciting striker since Evans.

 

[RedandWhite]

By definition game changing is big. It's big enough to change how we go about our business I would think. There is money to invest into the first team above what you would previously expected. Do you think that's a fair description of game changing?

Yes, but how do you know it was a "game changing investment"?

 

[Grappler]

Looking back, it was probably wrong of McCabe to use the term, "game-changing", there is no way it would do anything but excite the fans that big money signings (or at least decent signings) would be on the way, players who were too good for League one, and would be comfortable in the championship. We proved last year, in the cup run, that we have players who can take on teams from a higher league and win, we even scored three against a decent Premiership side at Wembley. As I have said before, we have been spoiled in recent years by two good strikers, Beattie and Evans, who, when they were on form, were amongst the best in the league (in Evans case he was the best, as he had played less games than Rhodes and I am sure would have scored more, had he been on the pitch).

If we can learn to defend set pieces and corners (and mark every player) then our back four can stop leaking goals. We just need the front line to be settled, start with a striker on the field, or two!

 

[Jonboy60]

That doesn't put the winner of the bet in an awkward position does it?

£200 for each cause. Not that Linz & foxy are a "cause".

 

[Latters]

£200 for each cause. Not that Linz & foxy are a "cause".

Why not just go back to the winner of the bet getting £200, rather than people wading in, bullying them into donating it to charity or the message board? That £200 might come in really useful to the winner. If they want to keep it, they shouldn't be made to feel guilty for that.

 

[Bladesway]

Yes, but how do you know it was a "game changing investment"?

Because that is what they said.

 

[Kenilworth]

Who knows what the game changing investment was?
No one actually knows what our financial state is, but I'm pretty sure we are not rich.

I heard it was a new title for the Office Nintendo Wii

 

[ghandi]

[QUOTE Lord Bos of Eckington., post: 669084, member: 15219"]ghandi , you on on. Start saving your money my dear chap. I shake your hand , i take your bet.

Utb[/QUOTE]
After today's results I have won the bet. Are you happy to donate to the charity of my choice?

 

[JohnDenver]

After today's results I have won the bet. Are you happy to donate to the charity of my choice?

I'd say congrats but I wouldn't mean it.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

The realistic targets that we missed out on.

Chris O'Grady
Kieron Agard
Sam Winnall
Mason Bennett

Next one we will miss out on I reckon will be Tom Pope.

Tom Pope still playing?

 

[ghandi]

ghandi , you on on. Start saving your money my dear chap. I shake your hand , i take your bet.

Utb

Bump...Just in case Lord you did not receive an alert to my winning declaration.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Bump...Just in case Lord you did not receive an alert to my winning declaration.

Looks like you won ghandi . Well done and good luck . Lets hope we still get promotion though , as it will be extrmely diapointing and frustating spending another season in this league . Sort out direct with you when the fat lady sings.

All the best and wished id won , just so we dont have to through the lotttery of the play offs.

Have you six lottery numbers .

UTB

 

[ghandi]

Looks like you won ghandi . Well done and good luck . Lets hope we still get promotion though , as it will be extrmely diapointing and frustating spending another season in this league . Sort out direct with you when the fat lady sings.

All the best and wished id won , just so we dont have to through the lotttery of the play offs.

Have you six lottery numbers .

UTB

Cheers Lord. The chubby lass I think has warbled her last note but I'm not to a few days.
My preference for the donation would be £150 to Silverfox's just giving site for the sleep-out and although not strictly a charity I'm sure Foxy and Linz would appreciate the remaining £50 towards the running of the site.
I leave Silverfox and Linz to let you have the details.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Cheers Lord. The chubby lass I think has warbled her last note but I'm not to a few days.
My preference for the donation would be £150 to Silverfox's just giving site for the sleep-out and although not strictly a charity I'm sure Foxy and Linz would appreciate the remaining £50 towards the running of the site.
I leave Silverfox and Linz to let you have the details.

Bet well won , good on yer Gandi . I wish i had won so we had achieved automatic . I am not going to have you a bet on the play offs , but i am positive we will do it this time.

Excellent idea to donate to the sleep out at BDTBL. By the grace of god , for all of us .

You are a gentleman , but i would rather us be sat were Bristol City are, and i am sure you think the same .

UTB