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It's a strong league with weak 'teams'. There's been so many new managers over the last year that most teams are simply inconsistent. Using players from previous regimes and struggling as a consequence. Wolves have been able to buy a whole new team. Most others haven't.
 



In my mind, it’s the type of player that Tufty signs that makes us what we are. Players who want to play at a higher level and see this as the best route for them as opposed to the type of player who is dropping down a level, already demotivated because of it. I hope CW and AK continue in this vein. We don’t need prima donnas that wil disrupt the changing room with a “billy bigbollocks” attitude.
 
JimPhipps said:
This method (which works like the scoring of strikes in bowling), though perhaps less fun and more slow to develop a clear picture, has the value of not being subject to the subjectivity and self-aggrandizement of the beholder. Deluded Wendies will always be put in their place by this method.
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Well I've bowled in many Anglo American leagues, but I'm not sure I understand your analogy JimPhipps :) :)
 
Bellypork said:
I meant more the style of play, lack of pressure, being underestimated and an unknown quantity. Carlos changed tack once it mattered.

Wednesday didn't have the start that the Blades have had, but there again they'd signed 15 players and were still signing them after the season began.
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You see, you're pretending to come in peace by being self deprecating but you're just subtlety trying to put us down.

This is the new line of defence for Wednesdayites. United are like us in Carlos's first season, under no pressure blah blah.

First of all we are better than that team, let's get that straight.

Secondly, the pressure has come from your clueless chairman spunking millions on dross and ripping of the fans to pay for his mistakes.

Thirdly, wilder is a much better manager than Carlos.

Your point is valid, we may drop off this season or next season may well be completely different but let's not pretend your post was anything other than Wednesdayite trying to make himself feel better.
 
Captain said:
......trouble is their in the twilight of the career taking big money and taking the piss.....
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That's similar as us then, players in the twilight of their careers on not so big money taking the piss.....out of those on big money.

This division's the same as its always been. Any team is capable of beating any other and 3 or 4 straight wins puts you in the mix.
 
I still think some Blades don’t realise how good we are...
 
tomtheblade said:
Championship this season: Strong or weak division?

What does everyone think?

To elaborate: I hear this description a lot, but I honestly am never sure what people mean by it. Sometimes I think it's judged by how good the teams at the top are, therefore last year was a strong division because of the quality shown by Newcastle and Brighton. But this doesn't indicate a strong division, it just shows the top teams are better than the ones immediately below them.

A strong division is surely one in which every team is as good as possible, which would mean it's fairly even with teams beating each other or drawing a lot, and no-one running away with it. The trouble in this case is how you would tell it was all equally strong teams and not equally weak teams.

Perhaps it's not useful to evaluate a league's strength internally, you have to do it by comparing to other leagues. Therefore we could say that last years championship was fairly strong, with the 3 promoted sides currently comfortably midtable or above, and the relegated sides in or around the playoffs or auto spots in the league below.

However, going by this method, we won't know how strong the current year is until next year. But that's no fun, so we have to think of other ways in which we can judge. One way would be looking at results from Carabao/FA cups and seeing how Champ teams fare against other sides, except for the fact that we know how much sides from both leagues change for cup games, making them not always the best indicators of relative teams strength.

The other way I've thought of is the more ambiguous method of just watching a lot of championship games and judging not by results, but simply by the level of play of the teams involved. Does the match that finishes 2-2 between two midtable sides involve intricate passing moves, stalwart defending and individual moments of brilliance? Or were all the goals results of both teams hopelessly hoofing it up and hoping it goes in off someone's backside?

TL;DR version:
Is the 2017/18 Championship a strong division in terms of quality? If so, why, or why not? And how do we judge what constitutes 'strong'?
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This crap about being a weak league is just pork talk excuse for us being near to the top of the league , they’d are so envious and just can’t handle it.
 
We’re in second a point behind where Brighton were after 16 games last season. ( Newcastle were top on 37) Udders third on 29 points...if that means owt...

t’pigs a point behind where there were last season funnily enough...

Long way to go but a great start for the Blades in the Championship.
 
Northyorksblade said:
Well I've bowled in many Anglo American leagues, but I'm not sure I understand your analogy JimPhipps :) :)
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The simple idea in bowling that I meant to invoke is that to know the score value of a strike, you have to play through another couple of rounds. A strike in given round followed by strikes in the next two consecutive rounds is worth the highest possible score per round of thirty points. In a roughly analogous way, to evaluate the comparative strength or weakness of a division in a given season to the same division in previous seasons you need to know (among other things) what happens with the division's winners and losers in subsequent seasons. A crude analogy, I know, and maybe a bad one, but I hope you get my meaning.
 
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JimPhipps said:
Simple idea in bowling is that to know the score value of a strike, you have to play through another couple of rounds. A strike in given round followed by strikes in the next two consecutive rounds is worth the highest possible score per round of thirty points. In a roughly analogous way, to evaluate the comparative strength or weakness of a division in a given year to the same division in previous years you need to know (among other things) what happens with the division's its winners and losers in subsequent seasons. A crude analogy, I know, and maybe a bad one, but I hope you get my meaning.
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I do now, well explained Jim :)
 



I agree with those who say it's a tough league, and we're simply a very good side, working extremely hard to produce results week-in, week out.

You can bet the minute we let our standards slip we will falter, hence Wilders emphasis on never letting up.
Even the big clubs in this league who have some top players can never afford to get comfortable, as they will invariably get found out.
 
Ldn_Rd_Blades said:
You see, you're pretending to come in peace by being self deprecating but you're just subtlety trying to put us down.

This is the new line of defence for Wednesdayites. United are like us in Carlos's first season, under no pressure blah blah.

First of all we are better than that team, let's get that straight.

Secondly, the pressure has come from your clueless chairman spunking millions on dross and ripping of the fans to pay for his mistakes.

Thirdly, wilder is a much better manager than Carlos.

Your point is valid, we may drop off this season or next season may well be completely different but let's not pretend your post was anything other than Wednesdayite trying to make himself feel better.
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That's a bit harsh.

I do think Wilder is a far better manager than Carlos, but I also think he's far better than any other manager in this division too. He's clearly getting more out of these players than any other manager at this level would do, and Clarke is a fine example of that. He must hypnotize them. Lol.

In his first season, Carlos was under little pressure because promotion was not on the agenda, even though a lot of cash had been spent and prices were high. Pressure mainly comes from expectation. You could argue that Wednesday weren't really a mid-table side when they finished 13th under Gray (it was due to his tactics, rather than the ability of the players) and that as a result Carlos over-achieved in his first season, setting the bar too high.

Are Hooper, Rhodes, Bannan, FF, Abdi, Reach, Rhodes, Boyd et al really all dross, though? Fans of other teams in this division don't seem to think so, and these players certainly didn't look that way when they came with visiting teams. Abdi in particular looked head and shoulders better than anyone else when he came with Watford, and he never looked out of place in the PL when I saw him. Frankly, Owls fans were sick of the sight of these players when they played for other clubs, especially FF.
 
It’s a strong league. We just happen to be one of the best teams in it.
 
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