Stewards at back of Kop gangway F

[Ecco1889]

In no ways is this as important as the issue surrounding our disabled fans access, but at both home games i have had some interesting conversations with the (bar)stewards. My season ticket says i should access by gangway E yet my seat number is central between gangways G&F; never noticed it before but doesnt make any sense and when you are faced with overly officious idiots insistent on making me walk 2 gangways past where my seat is it creates unnecessary conflict. At the Milwall game there was nearly a young steward learning to fly from the top of G when he tried to stop someone twice his size walking past him

I emailed the club about the same problem and they sent me a new season card with the correct gangway on it

 

[reedy63]

Fans Buying over 60 when they are a lot younger has been going on for years. That's down to the ticket office.
all fans have a customer number. on the club's database ticket buying history. I have a senior season ticket.
I enter the turnstile that has a concession displayed. I have noticed a lot of fans clearly under sixty and older than twenty.
two stewards at the turnstile obviously not doing the job they are supposed to do. check before fans enter through the turnstile.
That would stop the problem at gangway F.or any other gangway. you would have thought the carer looking after the disabled people. should stay with them. that should be mandatory.in case anything happens.

 

[Hull Blade]

Not as bad as those witless ***** at Anfield. Where's your famous Scouse humour ? Miserable set of tossers.

 

[Addison]

I wondered if the Euros flagged something in terms of access in that only those physically unable to use other entrances should be using the dedicated John Street entrance and that if you sit on the Kop, you're accepting that you are physically able to enter/exit via normal channels in case of evacuation or emergency.

We shouldn't be selling seats on the kop to the disabled there are no places for wheelchairs on the kop. Access to the kop is by stairs with only one exit via the tunnel in the corner not having stairs we know the kop is not fit for purpose or not up to modern day standards. If carers are dumping their clients in the disabled enclosure and swanning off onto the kop they are taking the piss that isn't caring for someone it is getting a free ticket by accompanying a disabled person who does not need a carer alongside them.

Only 7% of the total number of disabled in this country account for wheelchair users. Disability is not just about being in a wheelchair. There are many more conditions that are classed as disabled many not of a physical nature. Many may be physically fit but not have the mental capacity.

My daughter on Wednesday came across a woman who brings her father who has dementia to games. He has difficulty understanding fully what is going on but enjoys the atmosphere and benefits from the experience. He needs a carer because of his condition. She has been refused access via the disabled entrance because they have season tickets on the Kop. She had to ask the stewards to open the gates because he could not get through the turnstiles. They then had to negotiate their way through people and via a different and much longer route. Is it right that the Club cause distress to vulnerable fans of many years in this way? I just don't think they fully assessed the impact this is having on those affected when they made the changes at the 11th hour.

There's no evidence to suggest those with carer passes are dumping people. It is the complete reverse. The concerns I have raised relate to carers being refused access via the JSS disabled entrance and being separated from those they are caring for.

 

[Addison]

Good luck. Any response yet?

Not yet thanks.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Only 7% of the total number of disabled in this country account for wheelchair users. Disability is not just about being in a wheelchair. There are many more conditions that are classed as disabled many not of a physical nature. Many may be physically fit but not have the mental capacity.

My daughter on Wednesday came across a woman who brings her father who has dementia to games. He has difficulty understanding fully what is going on but enjoys the atmosphere and benefits from the experience. He needs a carer because of his condition. She has been refused access via the disabled entrance because they have season tickets on the Kop. She had to ask the stewards to open the gates because he could not get through the turnstiles. They then had to negotiate their way through people and via a different and much longer route. Is it right that the Club cause distress to vulnerable fans of many years in this way? I just don't think they fully assessed the impact this is having on those affected when they made the changes at the 11th hour.

There's no evidence to suggest those with carer passes are dumping people. It is the complete reverse. The concerns I have raised relate to carers being refused access via the JSS disabled entrance and being separated from those they are caring for.

I suppose thats part of the issue with the broad brush word ' disabled'.
I think that post was made talking about disabled toilets. In which case you'd assume meaning people with big mobility problems.
We need access for all different people. Wheelchair users and those with other mobilty problems should have proper access on JSS, along with a carer if needs be.
Most high football stands would be unsuitable in this case.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Nowt wrong with coming off the Manor !!!!!!!

Michael moved and then went back…….

 

[metalblade]

I suppose thats part of the issue with the broad brush word ' disabled'.
I think that post was made talking about disabled toilets. In which case you'd assume meaning people with big mobility problems.
We need access for all different people. Wheelchair users and those with other mobilty problems should have proper access on JSS, along with a carer if needs be.
Most high football stands would be unsuitable in this case.

Exactly, there is not just one type of disability, the most obvious is someone who has to use a wheelchair. Personally I think it is awful how these people in most football grounds have to suffer being at the side of the pitch usually open to the elements, no choice for them to get a more elevated view of the game surely football can do better than this and make some wheelchair friendly spaces on a level with the entrance/exit of existing stands.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Exactly, there is not just one type of disability, the most obvious is someone who has to use a wheelchair. Personally I think it is awful how these people in most football grounds have to suffer being at the side of the pitch usually open to the elements, no choice for them to get a more elevated view of the game surely football can do better than this and make some wheelchair friendly spaces on a level with the entrance/exit of existing stands.

Concourse of SS is fairly high, with a ramp each end. Can imagine an exit from there into the stand being feasible.

 

[ThatJa]

Exactly, there is not just one type of disability, the most obvious is someone who has to use a wheelchair. Personally I think it is awful how these people in most football grounds have to suffer being at the side of the pitch usually open to the elements, no choice for them to get a more elevated view of the game surely football can do better than this and make some wheelchair friendly spaces on a level with the entrance/exit of existing stands.

Adaptions like that cost money, and money the club won't spend on it.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Someone just tell the roided up dickhead that they're on minimum wage and their parents will be ashamed of them for it. Soon see the bitch cry.



This works.

 

[ormester]

 

[ormester]

I saw this honestly I thought bull what will happen is the stewards will pick on the wrong guy and will cause a lot of trouble

 

[metalblade]

On a stand with a rake designed for standing fans are going to stand. On the top half of the kop especially to the sides it is the only way you can see the action. Are they going to close down the whole away end seeing as all away fans persistently stand? What is the anti social behaviour singing maybe I don't remember seeing any fights on the kop. As others have said stewards will pick on the wrong guy who is having a bad day before long and it will kick off big style they need to treat fans as people not animals, and stop employing paid thugs.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

The club couldn't lose their license over something so petty. So tell this new pack of cunts the "SGSA" to go fuck themselves

Surely the club could have got away with being slightly less vigorous

 

[metalblade]

The club couldn't lose their license over something so petty. So tell this new pack of cunts the "SGSA" to go fuck themselves

Surely the club could have got away with being slightly less vigorous

Is this SGSA a new name for the SAG who love cutting capacity at grounds for little reason other than segregation. Maybe this SGSA should take a look at unsocial behaviour at say The City ground Nottingham.

 

[Dkc]

Every club has boistrous fans and ours are at the top of E and F. They start most of the singing, and are the loudest section of the kop. Of course people stand at the back, it's unreasonable to expect people to stay seated all game. No one saw passionate fans as a problem before, so what's changed?

 

[petcharlie]

Only 7% of the total number of disabled in this country account for wheelchair users. Disability is not just about being in a wheelchair. There are many more conditions that are classed as disabled many not of a physical nature. Many may be physically fit but not have the mental capacity.

My daughter on Wednesday came across a woman who brings her father who has dementia to games. He has difficulty understanding fully what is going on but enjoys the atmosphere and benefits from the experience. He needs a carer because of his condition. She has been refused access via the disabled entrance because they have season tickets on the Kop. She had to ask the stewards to open the gates because he could not get through the turnstiles. They then had to negotiate their way through people and via a different and much longer route. Is it right that the Club cause distress to vulnerable fans of many years in this way? I just don't think they fully assessed the impact this is having on those affected when they made the changes at the 11th hour.

There's no evidence to suggest those with carer passes are dumping people. It is the complete reverse. The concerns I have raised relate to carers being refused access via the JSS disabled entrance and being separated from those they are caring for.

Sounds like these stewards are badly trained .It is up to the club to weed out people who are abusing the system I understand that but this should happen before a season ticket is issued preventing this fiasco on match days. Also people who purchase tickets for selected matches should be able to registrar as disabled with the club at the start of the season along with a named carer .Same with pensioners and others who would be required to prove they are entitled to concessions . It is the people who are abusing the system that are causing the problem along with the club not having a fool prove system in place which would preventing the problem in the first place and stop the genuine having to be put in a difficult position on match days. It is not fair on these guys and girls and could well discourage them attending matches and the stewards should understand not all concessionary ticket holders are ripping the club off.Also not all disabled conditions are visible .

 

[Harry's Game]

The club couldn't lose their license over something so petty. So tell this new pack of cunts the "SGSA" to go fuck themselves

Surely the club could have got away with being slightly less vigorous

The club could quite easily have Sections of the Kop closed by SGSA for persistent standing in the seated areas. The way round it would be to put rail seating in.. but that would mean spending a considerable amount of money which we all know we haven’t got.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Some fans are already complaining about the lack of atmosphere at the Lane. Just see what happens if we all have to sit down.

 

[Dkc]

The club could quite easily have Sections of the Kop closed by SGSA for persistent standing in the seated areas. The way round it would be to put rail seating in.. but that would mean spending a considerable amount of money which we all know we haven’t got.

Wonder what it would cost to install rail seating at the top of E and F blocks. Probably one month's wage for a single player.

 

[Harry's Game]

Wonder what it would cost to install rail seating at the top of E and F blocks. Probably one month's wage for a single player.

You would need to re profile the steps too, currently too shallow for safe standing.

 

[Stand United]

Is this SGSA a new name for the SAG who love cutting capacity at grounds for little reason other than segregation.

Not quite. The SGSA is the regulatory body that operates stadia licensing in the UK, providing guidance to and oversight of Safety Advisory Groups. They’ll advise on what are the legal requirements for clubs to follow, and it’ll be the SAGs themselves that implement this. The SAGs will have an SGSA rep on them to provide advice.

It’s the SGSA that have taken the lead on delivering the safe standing trials, and on ensuring these had a body of evidence to convince the Government to go ahead and open safe standing up to wider implementation by clubs.

I don’t know the ins and outs on what’s happening with the stewarding (on this thread multiple reasons for their heavy handedness have been suggested) but what is inevitable now that safe standing can be brought in is that safety authorities will be expected to enforce seating in seated areas (Burnley is another that’s been active recently on that). That’s not actually a bad thing per se, so long as there is licensed standing where people that want to enjoy the game standing can do so. However right now, we don’t have that. Converting the back of the Kop to safe standing would seem a fairly obvious solution for all.

You would need to re profile the steps too, currently too shallow for safe standing.

We’ve measured the rows, and consulted a few of the experts on this, and from a purely logistical point of view, the current Kop would we believe be able to have safe standing (see out FAQs page). Whether the funding, and will, is there to do so is another issue entirely, but remember the SGSA haven’t brought safe standing in just as a nice thing for fans - they are more interested at how to effectively manage persistent standing. Clubs could previously say there wasn’t much they could do if people stood in seated areas. That’s not the case now, and clubs will likely be under more pressure to do something about it.

 

[Dkc]

Not quite. The SGSA is the regulatory body that operates stadia licensing in the UK, providing guidance to and oversight of Safety Advisory Groups. They’ll advise on what are the legal requirements for clubs to follow, and it’ll be the SAGs themselves that implement this. The SAGs will have an SGSA rep on them to provide advice.

It’s the SGSA that have taken the lead on delivering the safe standing trials, and on ensuring these had a body of evidence to convince the Government to go ahead and open safe standing up to wider implementation by clubs.

I don’t know the ins and outs on what’s happening with the stewarding (on this thread multiple reasons for their heavy handedness have been suggested) but what is inevitable now that safe standing can be brought in is that safety authorities will be expected to enforce seating in seated areas (Burnley is another that’s been active recently on that). That’s not actually a bad thing per se, so long as there is licensed standing where people that want to enjoy the game standing can do so. However right now, we don’t have that. Converting the back of the Kop to safe standing would seem a fairly obvious solution for all.



We’ve measured the rows, and consulted a few of the experts on this, and from a purely logistical point of view, the current Kop would we believe be able to have safe standing (see out FAQs page). Whether the funding, and will, is there to do so is another issue entirely, but remember the SGSA haven’t brought safe standing in just as a nice thing for fans - they are more interested at how to effectively manage persistent standing. Clubs could previously say there wasn’t much they could do if people stood in seated areas. That’s not the case now, and clubs will likely be under more pressure to do something about it.

Great initiative, well done. Seems obvious to go ahead with this. Any idea how long the work might take?

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Seemed better today. Didn't see the same stewards - maybe the club actually listened?

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Some fans are already complaining about the lack of atmosphere at the Lane. Just see what happens if we all have to sit down.

Just make every seat on the kop a toilet. 2 , 1

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Seemed better today. Didn't see the same stewards - maybe the club actually listened?

Was going to post the same.
3 new blokes, but just checking, without thinking they were in Pulp Fiction.

 

[Gavlar]

Very polite nice stewards at gangway F today. They checked me and my lads tickets and we were on our way. No probs.

 

[shorehamview]

Spoke to a nice lady chief steward about why they were checking tickets. She politely explained why, and when I told her that the stewards who checked my ticket before the Middlesbrough match weren’t very pleasant in their manner she said if that happened again to come straight back and tell her, and she would put them right.

She also gave me a sheet of paper with the reasoning for the checks detailed on it. The stewards at the entrance to gangway F were okay, but not exactly what you’d call pleasant.

Basically they are trying to ensure that the people at the back of the Kop are those who have tickets for the seat they are in, and that they’ve had multiple occasions of people standing nowhere near where they should be. The stewards didn’t have as much of an issue with people standing at the back in their allocated seat place if that’s where their ticket was for, it’s more that there are too many people there.