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We really are becoming a very, very good side. Chris keeps telling us that it's important to keep adding quality bit by bit ,and we are now showing that quality. Everyone knows we need to finish teams off and i'm sure that will be the next step by adding the top striker who will take us to where we are aiming.
3 years ago we were watching teams like Gillingham taking us to the cleaners.
What a transformation in so little time.
Have a little patience fellas, we are really close to being the finished article.

Just a little reminder from 38 months ago.

 



We really are becoming a very, very good side. Chris keeps telling us that it's important to keep adding quality bit by bit ,and we are now showing that quality. Everyone knows we need to finish teams off and i'm sure that will be the next step by adding the top striker who will take us to where we are aiming.
3 years ago we were watching teams like Gillingham taking us to the cleaners.
What a transformation in so little time.
Have a little patience fellas, we are really close to being the finished article.

Just a little reminder from 38 months ago.



Hope that reminds those with short memories. We've come so far in such a short space of time. From what I saw tonight we played excellent football against a team that cost millions. We're progressing nicely.
 
So true. I'm really pissed off tonight after that feeling like we've thrown away the 3 points but you're right, it's important to keep perspective. I suppose the annoyance is that we can't compete financially with those around us, so we see this brilliant team we've become that just needs that little bit extra...but it seems it's out of our grasp!
 
Hope that reminds those with short memories. We've come so far in such a short space of time. From what I saw tonight we played excellent football against a team that cost millions. We're progressing nicely.


Obviously you wernt at the Lane tonight.
 
We'll add the quality given enough time.... but keeping it?

Yes that’s the bugbear.

If we don’t go up this season we will need to replace Fleck and JOC in the summer, that will be a task.
 
So true. I'm really pissed off tonight after that feeling like we've thrown away the 3 points but you're right, it's important to keep perspective. I suppose the annoyance is that we can't compete financially with those around us, so we see this brilliant team we've become that just needs that little bit extra...but it seems it's out of our grasp!

That's the frustrating part. We are so , so close to achieving something really special. Not just going up but doing it with a core of players who have been with us for years whilst playing fantastic football.

As Ricky aludes to above, I just worry this is the last chance with likes of O'Connell, Fleck and, God forbid, Wilder .
 
That's the frustrating part. We are so , so close to achieving something really special. Not just going up but doing it with a core of players who have been with us for years whilst playing fantastic football.

As Ricky aludes to above, I just worry this is the last chance with likes of O'Connell, Fleck and, God forbid, Wilder .

I know, you can't blame professionals for having ambition and if the club can't match it...Really hope the whole KM/Prince thing doesn't wreck all the progress we've made. Still seems unbelievable what's happened since Wilder arrived!
 
The annoying thing for me, is we've spent on Holmes, Hennaghan, Thomas, Carruthers, Lavery, Washington, Johnson, Leonard, and others, and the return hasn't been great, if only Chris would bite the bullet and fork out on a real quality striker, we would be easily 6 points clear now.
Got to address this now, we should have a healthy budget come Jan, we just need that final piece of the jigsaw.
The problem is, who???
 
We really are becoming a very, very good side. Chris keeps telling us that it's important to keep adding quality bit by bit ,and we are now showing that quality. Everyone knows we need to finish teams off and i'm sure that will be the next step by adding the top striker who will take us to where we are aiming.
3 years ago we were watching teams like Gillingham taking us to the cleaners.
What a transformation in so little time.
Have a little patience fellas, we are really close to being the finished article.

Just a little reminder from 38 months ago.



Unfortunately time is against us, and we are not learning. What CW is saying is both theoretically correct and factually wrong. He’s currently giving typewriters to monkeys and awaiting the best seller.

We need to get promoted this season or this ‘project’ with this ‘group’ will quickly come to an end. Age, lack of money & bigger clubs will quickly see to that.

We can pass it as much as like in the first two thirds of the pitch, but we should have won 4 points instead of 1, and thems the cold hard facts, the type of cold hard facts that will matter in May and will determine how this ‘journey’ ends.
 
Wish CW and team were progressing as quickly with learning how to close out a game. Yes, good team, great style lots to be thankful for but still mightily pissed off about last night and I can't shake it off. Need help!
 
We really are becoming a very, very good side. Chris keeps telling us that it's important to keep adding quality bit by bit ,and we are now showing that quality. Everyone knows we need to finish teams off and i'm sure that will be the next step by adding the top striker who will take us to where we are aiming.
3 years ago we were watching teams like Gillingham taking us to the cleaners.
What a transformation in so little time.
Have a little patience fellas, we are really close to being the finished article.

Just a little reminder from 38 months ago.



I don't think most of us need a reminder of how pants we were for the vast majority of our time in league one Derf;)
 
We need another quality striker in the squad, plus someone who can run at the opposution, but I still think it is goals from midfield and set plays that will make the difference. Sharp and McGoldrick have 13 between them. Last night, look at the chances that fell to Stevens and Fleck ( who I thoughr were both excellent, otherwise). Norwood has great deluvery, but again we had 16-17 corners ( the came as a result if a durect shot ).
 



Correct Bill, I'm currently disabled so have to base my views on what I see and what other posters describe. You appear to disagree with myself and those other posters who thought we played well.
That's shut the negative ladies front bottom up for a bit! Well done!

We did play well. I've said it before now on other posts, I think the football we are playing is THE BEST passing football I've ever seen from a Sheffield United side and I've been watching since 1969/70. I think it's fantastic, I really do. The way that Wilder has turned us from a bit a set of dishevelled, overpaid, under-worked, odds and sods, to a team that all pulls in the same direction and where you can almost feel the team spirit and camaraderie between them oozing from the pitch, it's just great, it really is. Someone in the media referred to us as "The Arsenal of the Championship". I think that's high praise indeed, because whatever you may think about Arsenal, they have been one of the best passing sides this country has ever produced. That's not in doubt. As with Arsenal though, it shows you that playing precision passing football doesn't always get you what you need.

I think I possibly have a slightly different view to some other posters about what's needed to put the finishing touches to this great side. Many speak of "adding a striker", I think it's more than just that personally. I described the way United play as "mechanical" on a post the other day. I meant it as a complement, some read that as being negative. I suppose it could be interpreted both ways, i.e. "mechanical" as in like a set of robots, but I meant it as "mechanical" like the fine precision movements of a Swiss watch. Every moving part knows what its job is and does it well and the whole thing just ticks away at the same pace, relentlessly. That's how I see it. And it's a complement of the highest order, because I've never seen us playing like this before, ever! We had good footballing spells under Harris, Porterfield, Kendall, Spackman, Bassett and Warnock, but nothing that's ever been as slick and professional as this.

However...

(and I'm sorry there has to be a "however", but there always is...no team is ever "perfect")

For all our wonderful, slick, professional, precision-passing football in neat triangles with the crusts cut off, we don't make or take enough chances. That's my honest opinion. I don't think the Stoke goalkeeper Butland hardly broke sweat, apart from a couple of saves in the first half. I think this is a weakness of this side. And like any weakness, its usually a strength overdone.

So, our strength is, we play a certain way, it involves high pressing and possession football. It involves defenders taking up attacking positions to create "overload" in areas of vulnerability. It involves a rather slow and methodical build up and then pausing around the 18 yard box to look for the killer pass. That's great when the killer pass comes,but when it doesn't, it's hellishly frustrating. I'm not suggesting we should abandon these principles at all, but we should be prepared to do something different when it's not working. The word is "disruption". We need to change the rules of engagement from time to time when things aren't working. Try a different tack.

And that involves a different type of player, one with pace and individual flair, and a different tactical approach from the manager. I don't think we have either tbh.
 
The facts are quite easy to ascertain imo.We've reached peak do it on the cheap.We have a magnificent side that dominates the vast majority of the games we play. We lack that bit of magic and killer instinct in the final third.It's really that simple.
We have people bemoaning our defensive play because a side with fifty million pounds of talent have one crack at our goal. The club has made a big transfer profit every season Wilder has been in charge, and is set for another this season. Other Championship clubs spunk millions every window. The guy's a magician, but he can only do it with his hands tied behind his back. Not his legs too.The club could miss out on an historical chance to profit from a once in a generation manager. Only in S2...
 
Unfortunately time is against us, and we are not learning. What CW is saying is both theoretically correct and factually wrong. He’s currently giving typewriters to monkeys and awaiting the best seller.

We need to get promoted this season or this ‘project’ with this ‘group’ will quickly come to an end. Age, lack of money & bigger clubs will quickly see to that.

We can pass it as much as like in the first two thirds of the pitch, but we should have won 4 points instead of 1, and thems the cold hard facts, the type of cold hard facts that will matter in May and will determine how this ‘journey’ ends.
We will finish just outside the playoffs in 7th or 8th, unless we remember how to score the sitters that will win us games.
I think starting Washington with Sharp/Clarke on Saturday could be the way to go, we need to start picking up 3's now, and keep in contention with the top 2.
 
That's shut the negative ladies front bottom up for a bit! Well done!

We did play well. I've said it before now on other posts, I think the football we are playing is THE BEST passing football I've ever seen from a Sheffield United side and I've been watching since 1969/70. I think it's fantastic, I really do. The way that Wilder has turned us from a bit a set of dishevelled, overpaid, under-worked, odds and sods, to a team that all pulls in the same direction and where you can almost feel the team spirit and camaraderie between them oozing from the pitch, it's just great, it really is. Someone in the media referred to us as "The Arsenal of the Championship". I think that's high praise indeed, because whatever you may think about Arsenal, they have been one of the best passing sides this country has ever produced. That's not in doubt. As with Arsenal though, it shows you that playing precision passing football doesn't always get you what you need.

I think I possibly have a slightly different view to some other posters about what's needed to put the finishing touches to this great side. Many speak of "adding a striker", I think it's more than just that personally. I described the way United play as "mechanical" on a post the other day. I meant it as a complement, some read that as being negative. I suppose it could be interpreted both ways, i.e. "mechanical" as in like a set of robots, but I meant it as "mechanical" like the fine precision movements of a Swiss watch. Every moving part knows what its job is and does it well and the whole thing just ticks away at the same pace, relentlessly. That's how I see it. And it's a complement of the highest order, because I've never seen us playing like this before, ever! We had good footballing spells under Harris, Porterfield, Kendall, Spackman, Bassett and Warnock, but nothing that's ever been as slick and professional as this.

However...

(and I'm sorry there has to be a "however", but there always is...no team is ever "perfect")

For all our wonderful, slick, professional, precision-passing football in neat triangles with the crusts cut off, we don't make or take enough chances. That's my honest opinion. I don't think the Stoke goalkeeper Butland hardly broke sweat, apart from a couple of saves in the first half. I think this is a weakness of this side. And like any weakness, its usually a strength overdone.

So, our strength is, we play a certain way, it involves high pressing and possession football. It involves defenders taking up attacking positions to create "overload" in areas of vulnerability. It involves a rather slow and methodical build up and then pausing around the 18 yard box to look for the killer pass. That's great when the killer pass comes,but when it doesn't, it's hellishly frustrating. I'm not suggesting we should abandon these principles at all, but we should be prepared to do something different when it's not working. The word is "disruption". We need to change the rules of engagement from time to time when things aren't working. Try a different tack.

And that involves a different type of player, one with pace and individual flair, and a different tactical approach from the manager. I don't think we have either tbh.
Good post Cerberus,just one thing that you don't mention ! The Wilder &Knill .effect.
He's already said he shows no sentimentality when picking his team ,he has a ruthless streak which you need to be .successful.When players have reached there ceiling knowing when to move on is key and he will improve the team with every window.
It gets difficult when we are so close to being successful , especially when not having loads of money to throw at it.It's a balancing act keeping wages aligned to the success of the team as wages have to move with the success of the team that means better players coming in who will be on a bigger contract.Has this squad reached its peak with all the 30 ish players in it? that's a big question for Wilder.
One thing for sure he won't sit on the fence too long as he says he is not sentimental and will not hesitate to drop players to improve the results.When I say drop players I mean move them on as we improve and leave them behind.
That must be a tough call as players are giving it everything,but that's professional football and winners don't do sentimentality.
 
We’d won 8 out of 10 games before the last window playing like we do and the last two of them were clean sheets and we are currently level on points with the top two.

It’s not even close to being broke so why do some keep wanting to fix it? Tweak things by all means but EVERY team in the country with the probable exception of Man City lose games they should have won or concedes late goals, but if it happens to us some of our fans totally wipe all the good stuff and jump in their rust swords.

It’s football, shit happens but we are playing out if our skins on a budget where all things being equal we should be fighting relegation. The last thing we want to do is feck about with our style of play, the ‘experts’ on here who said we’d been sussed last season were obviously wrong because here we are again doing great and playing in the same way, a style to be proud of.

The REAL answer to our continued development is for the owners to get their shit sorted out and then allow Wilder to bring in more quality along the lines of Norwood, but as it stands let’s enjoy what we’ve got guys.
 
Wish CW and team were progressing as quickly with learning how to close out a game. Yes, good team, great style lots to be thankful for but still mightily pissed off about last night and I can't shake it off. Need help!
I think this is a key one. Yes, we need a striker to finish off chances (though it's hard to believe Billy wouldn't have put both of those sitters away on Tuesday) - but the panicked hoof ball when we were one up was poor. Where was the composure to retain possession and to move into space to become available? Where were the cool heads - where was on-field leadership?

Closing out games and game management seem to be a weak area for us at the mo.
 
I don’t disagree with a lof of the points raised but we’d be 2 clear of second if we had the gumption to correctly organise a 4-man wall properly (why scimp on 3?) in the dying embers of the last game.

It’s quite late in the day for Chris to be imparting junior football knowledge on senior pros.
 
I think this is a key one. Yes, we need a striker to finish off chances (though it's hard to believe Billy wouldn't have put both of those sitters away on Tuesday) - but the panicked hoof ball when we were one up was poor. Where was the composure to retain possession and to move into space to become available? Where were the cool heads - where was on-field leadership?

Closing out games and game management seem to be a weak area for us at the mo.
We weren’t too bad closing it out in the previous home game though.

 
If a bit more quality was added each year for the next two or three years and we became a constant promotion hunter in the Championship during that time I'd be willing to wait.
But every year that goes by we risk losing any quality we have to the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton and maybe Rangers for Fleck
 
If a bit more quality was added each year for the next two or three years and we became a constant promotion hunter in the Championship during that time I'd be willing to wait.
But every year that goes by we risk losing any quality we have to the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton and maybe Rangers for Fleck

It’s not going to happen like that. This season worst case, next season very best case, the likes of Sharp, Clarke, Duffy, Ched and Wright will need replacing at the same time as Henderson, Norwood, JOC & Fleck need retaining. Throw in that the season after the same questions will start to be raised about McG, Coutts, Stearman & Bash. That’s serious expenditure, with little/no room for bad purchases. One of the reasons I’m ultra critical at the moment is that I honestly see this season as being our best chance; certainly with this group of players, possibly for the foreseeable future. Unless something drastically alters, I don’t see this as part of a long term success story with piecemeal additions on a rolling basis, I see us nearing the end of a particular journey.
 
I should hope so as well. Hull are/were absolute gash.
Since when has that made any difference? Stoke weren’t much better. My point is that we passed it around and didn’t resort to lumping, it so it’s in our locker to do it, Blackburn away was was another example.
 
Since when has that made any difference? Stoke weren’t much better. My point is that we passed it around and didn’t resort to lumping, it so it’s in our locker to do it, Blackburn away was was another example.

It makes a difference due to the fact it’s easier to achieve against inferior quality opposition, and shouldn’t be held up as representative of anything aspirational. We need to be setting our collective sights higher. In my opinion, Stoke are a far better side than Hull and the real test of our abilities is seeing out games against the likes of them, Villa, Cardiff, Bristol, Derby, etc. and not olè-ing against the joint worst team in the league. Teddy Atlas recently said ‘a fight isn’t a true fight until you meet resistance’. :)
 



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