Stadium Development

[CarlMcBlade]

Dumbest post of the day. Cup is no big thing anymore.

Not really.

 

[Keen Blade]

I suspect nothing will happen unless we get back into The Premier League

Start planting the potatoes then

 

[Keen Blade]

As has been suggested before.

Correct - hasn't it already been said in passing by Mr Bettis in his most recent long interview ?

 

[Keen Blade]

Will this wind be so mighty, as to lay low the mountains of the earth?

Oh please bring back Monty Python , my teenage heroes

 

[YES Blade]

The new Birmingham stadium was certainly an eye opener. At first I was like WTF but then grew to like it. And gives food for thought on the different ways we could go with any expansion.

Leeds having a 26k ST waiting list sounds a bit off. Do they only sell a certain amount of season tickets?

Football has grown in popularity a lot over the past 20 years. I reckon we could get close to 40k if we had any sustained success in the PL.

I heard from a Leeds fan that they have limited the number of season tickets they are selling so when they redevelopment the ground there will be less season ticket holder to relocate.

The waiting list probably isn’t a realistic number because they could sell a lot more season tickets for their current stadium capacity.

 

[Blade In Flame]

Oh please bring back Monty Python , my teenage heroes

Wasn't that from The Secret Policeman's Ball with Peter Cook and Rowan Atkinson?

 

[LBA_Blade]

The new Birmingham stadium was certainly an eye opener. At first I was like WTF but then grew to like it. And gives food for thought on the different ways we could go with any expansion.

Leeds having a 26k ST waiting list sounds a bit off. Do they only sell a certain amount of season tickets?

Football has grown in popularity a lot over the past 20 years. I reckon we could get close to 40k if we had any sustained success in the PL.

They do and they like to let everyone know about it especially the ones that have never been to a game and didn't know we beat them 4-0 at Elland Road under Warnock (although trips to the sty have probably eclipsed that now it is definitely in my top 10 away games). When you try and have a sensible conversation about the point they are trying to hammer home they fail to understand that the Leeds area has a population of over 800,000 with West Yorkshire being 2.4 million, then on top of that they have a lion share of North Yorkshire (another 600,000 +) too despite having Harrogate Town and arguably 'Boro (some say it's North Yorkshire) on their doorstep. Granted not everyone is a football supporter and some will have other teams (like me) but when you look at the competition for Leeds, it is Bradford City, Huddersfield Town, Harrogate Town (very recently with a low supporter base of a few thousand), arguably York City at one point too and 'Boro until you reach the South Yorkshire clubs.

They also have an Irish fan base that travel over to Leeds Bradford Airport from Dublin and Belfast for games before returning the same day in the evening. When you look at the area they have to "recruit" from it is nearly 3million people. When that club is in the Premier League and being successful the backing should naturally be large from that number however if you look at stats for example 20 years ago in 2006 the average home attendance in the championship for them was just 22,355 which is less than the season ticket waiting list. 10 years ago in 2016 it was 27,699 although an increase not by much. They bang on about how great they are but if we had 1 South Yorkshire club which would be covering a population of around 1.5 million so approx half of the "recruitment fan base" with average attendances across the "big 5" clubs in South Yorkshire we would be averaging between 80-90,000 just on home support alone.

 

[NuddysGloves]

They do and they like to let everyone know about it especially the ones that have never been to a game and didn't know we beat them 4-0 at Elland Road under Warnock (although trips to the sty have probably eclipsed that now it is definitely in my top 10 away games).

My first ever away game, what a day! Even Monty scored!

 

[LBA_Blade]

My first ever away game, what a day! Even Monty scored!

It was a fantastic evening that, although feels like a lifetime ago still remember it like it was yesterday. That was my team I grew up watching away with my mates, when I went to my first away games without family a couple of seasons before. I was just looking at the squads from that night and some legends in there that were shockingly bad footballers but were brilliant, probably the last generation of personalities, but used to love Kozzy, and Monty but to think they became Premier League Footballers is bananas! Although the bizarrely hilarious quote from Blackwell about the game ""Sometimes you wake up in a morning and you know it's going to be a great day, but this ended up being a dark night"

 

[CarlMcBlade]

The new Birmingham stadium was certainly an eye opener. At first I was like WTF but then grew to like it. And gives food for thought on the different ways we could go with any expansion.

Leeds having a 26k ST waiting list sounds a bit off. Do they only sell a certain amount of season tickets?

Football has grown in popularity a lot over the past 20 years. I reckon we could get close to 40k if we had any sustained success in the PL.

To be honest in a city the size of Leeds with such a glittering football history, a waiting list of 26K is piss poor really.

 

[CrookesBlade]

They do and they like to let everyone know about it especially the ones that have never been to a game and didn't know we beat them 4-0 at Elland Road under Warnock (although trips to the sty have probably eclipsed that now it is definitely in my top 10 away games). When you try and have a sensible conversation about the point they are trying to hammer home they fail to understand that the Leeds area has a population of over 800,000 with West Yorkshire being 2.4 million, then on top of that they have a lion share of North Yorkshire (another 600,000 +) too despite having Harrogate Town and arguably 'Boro (some say it's North Yorkshire) on their doorstep. Granted not everyone is a football supporter and some will have other teams (like me) but when you look at the competition for Leeds, it is Bradford City, Huddersfield Town, Harrogate Town (very recently with a low supporter base of a few thousand), arguably York City at one point too and 'Boro until you reach the South Yorkshire clubs.

They also have an Irish fan base that travel over to Leeds Bradford Airport from Dublin and Belfast for games before returning the same day in the evening. When you look at the area they have to "recruit" from it is nearly 3million people. When that club is in the Premier League and being successful the backing should naturally be large from that number however if you look at stats for example 20 years ago in 2006 the average home attendance in the championship for them was just 22,355 which is less than the season ticket waiting list. 10 years ago in 2016 it was 27,699 although an increase not by much. They bang on about how great they are but if we had 1 South Yorkshire club which would be covering a population of around 1.5 million so approx half of the "recruitment fan base" with average attendances across the "big 5" clubs in South Yorkshire we would be averaging between 80-90,000 just on home support alone.

They probably are the 4th biggest supporter base in England.

Counts for little though considering for the past 30 years aside from a financially doped Champions League run they have been roughly on a par with us.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Unfortunately our 24K waiting list, seemingly keep themselves occupied by going to Hillsborough every fortnight.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The new Birmingham stadium was certainly an eye opener. At first I was like WTF but then grew to like it. And gives food for thought on the different ways we could go with any expansion.

Leeds having a 26k ST waiting list sounds a bit off. Do they only sell a certain amount of season tickets?

Football has grown in popularity a lot over the past 20 years. I reckon we could get close to 40k if we had any sustained success in the PL.

The Leeds fanbase is genuinely huge and tickets for home games is almost impossible unless you have a season ticket or decades of loyalty points.
They'll sell out that 15,000 without any issues what so ever, including if they were in the Championship and I suspect could do double if they had the capacity in the PL.
In short, Leeds are the club that Wednesday supporters fantasise about following.

 

[SRBlade]

The Leeds fanbase is genuinely huge and tickets for home games is almost impossible unless you have a season ticket or decades of loyalty points.
They'll sell out that 15,000 without any issues what so ever, including if they were in the Championship and I suspect could do double if they had the capacity in the PL.
In short, Leeds are the club that Wednesday supporters fantasise about following.

Hopefully we're the same when the pigs are defunct, new sparkly 20,000 capacity kop with leg room and indoor bars where you can just tap your card, grab a pint, leave.

 

[ancientblade]

only time wednesday will get crowds of 30k again is if their in the top 6 of the championship or the premier league and that aint happening anytime soon yes they can churn 45k out for a one off at wembley but they dont support their team in those numbers apart from those types of games

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Hopefully we're the same when the pigs are defunct, new sparkly 20,000 capacity kop with leg room and indoor bars where you can just tap your card, grab a pint, leave.

I hope I see it in my lifetime, but I have my doubts unfortunately.

We would still be behind Leeds though and their geographical reach. I mean if you go up to York and out to somewhere like Whitby and the East Coast, the majority of local shirts you'll generally see are Leeds. Around us teams like Barnsley, Rotherham, Chesterfield, Donny, all have good solid fan bases which we'd never pick up.

 

[Keen Blade]

Wasn't that from The Secret Policeman's Ball with Peter Cook and Rowan Atkinson?

Oh dear , it's all merging into one big comedy mash-up in my brain

 

[Keen Blade]

Should never have got rid of the pavilion. If money were no object, I'd love to see the ground developed in a way that at least gives some hint to its historical value... or just looks nice. I'm always envious of Villa Park and Craven Cottage's facades when I see them.

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Omg that's gorgeous , reminds me of the portico-covered pavements of Turin.

 

[Keen Blade]

Expanding the Lane is a lovely pipe-dream which nearly all of us have , but structurally impractical and without any financial foundation.
We are at the limit of our budgets and crowds whilst in the Championship and the only way we get to be in a larger , modern stadium is to ground-share with the pigs on a new site.
As eloquently described above , Leeds have a 3m catchment and we slug it out with 5 other clubs for a share of 1.5m - the maths is easy.
Given the old-fashioned entrenched attitude of most of our fanbases , anything which smacks of "progress" over "tradition" will be roundly rejected.
And we will stay as the "nearly club" which we've been my entire life - roughly 13 seasons of the last 60 in the top league.
That said , I'm enjoying the last couple of months of our football , at our level.
Some great attacking attitude but not worrying about having to suffer in that bent PL anytime soon , once the parachutes have gone.
If you want to make progress , you have to make changes - we don't , so we won't.
Wilder & Bettis will still be here without any presence from the owners , for years to come.
Which is at least comforting when you reflect on what the happened in the summer with the owner's choice of head coach

 

[Sean Thornton]

Leeds are a far bigger club than us. Their fanbase is nationwide and also in Ireland. All this “if only” about catchment areas is starting to sound like Grunteresque neediness.

Do we need a few thousand on capacity? Yes. 45k unlikely. At the end of the day though, stadium expansion is a pipe dream totally dependent on an extended PL stay, which is a constant struggle for most clubs achieving promotion.

Weers munneh coming from Bettis? etc etc etc

 

[Pedro Verde]

Expanding the Lane is a lovely pipe-dream which nearly all of us have , but structurally impractical and without any financial foundation.
We are at the limit of our budgets and crowds whilst in the Championship and the only way we get to be in a larger , modern stadium is to ground-share with the pigs on a new site.
As eloquently described above , Leeds have a 3m catchment and we slug it out with 5 other clubs for a share of 1.5m - the maths is easy.
Given the old-fashioned entrenched attitude of most of our fanbases , anything which smacks of "progress" over "tradition" will be roundly rejected.
And we will stay as the "nearly club" which we've been my entire life - roughly 13 seasons of the last 60 in the top league.
That said , I'm enjoying the last couple of months of our football , at our level.
Some great attacking attitude but not worrying about having to suffer in that bent PL anytime soon , once the parachutes have gone.
If you want to make progress , you have to make changes - we don't , so we won't.
Wilder & Bettis will still be here without any presence from the owners , for years to come.
Which is at least comforting when you reflect on what the happened in the summer with the owner's choice of head coach

Yes lets just be a load of plastics
You really should be supporting a PL giant like Man City (who still cant fill their ground with their own supporters)

 

[CarlMcBlade]

…Also in the past Leeds were THE northern lightning rod for every maladjusted nutter from the four corners England and beyond…A glamorous and infinitely more successful Millwall of you like.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

only time wednesday will get crowds of 30k again is if their in the top 6 of the championship or the premier league and that aint happening anytime soon yes they can churn 45k out for a one off at wembley but they dont support their team in those numbers apart from those types of games

They’ll have to exhume quite a few corpses if they want to sell out the rust bucket on a regular basis.

 

[SRBlade]

I hope I see it in my lifetime, but I have my doubts unfortunately.

We would still be behind Leeds though and their geographical reach. I mean if you go up to York and out to somewhere like Whitby and the East Coast, the majority of local shirts you'll generally see are Leeds. Around us teams like Barnsley, Rotherham, Chesterfield, Donny, all have good solid fan bases which we'd never pick up.

Tbf Leeds should really be pulling around 50k considering their geographical reach, lack of local competition and the fact its a one club city.

A bit like the North East England, often labelled a hotbed of football, despite there being 2 professional teams in about a 60 mile radius.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

They’ll have to exhume quite a few corpses if they want to sell out the rust bucket on a regular basis.

The truth is Wednesday fans are great day trippers. They’ve thousands of hangers on and good time fans who’ll pay for a one off expensive trip or one off merch.

They desperately needed everyone to turn up over the past few weeks. They got their club back but needed 30,000 turning up each home game. They failed to get over two thirds of them to turn out.
This is reality and it’s clearly demonstrable.

 

[Bladesman]

The only development we need to do as a club is re-do the KOP and the South Stand. Add a few extra thousand seats that takes us a bit closer 40k.

As others have said we don't have the demand even if we got Premier League football to go much further than that in terms of capacity.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Tbf Leeds should really be pulling around 50k considering their geographical reach, lack of local competition and the fact its a one club city.

A bit like the North East England, often labelled a hotbed of football, despite there being 2 professional teams in about a 60 mile radius.

The capacity is below 38k. They can’t pull any more as things stand. Planned Expansion is for 53k.

Bradford is around 12 miles away, Huddersfield 20.

The jibe always was “it’s a rugby town”. What’s happened to that?

 

[ancientblade]

The truth is Wednesday fans are great day trippers. They’ve thousands of hangers on and good time fans who’ll pay for a one off expensive trip or one off merch.

They desperately needed everyone to turn up over the past few weeks. They got their club back but needed 30,000 turning up each home game. They failed to get over two thirds of them to turn out.
This is reality and it’s clearly demonstrable.

nail on the head there bob about 20k day trippers that only turn up at wembley once every few years and if they had a record of p10 l10 in play offs there would be nowhere near that 20k they would take the same as us

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Hopefully we're the same when the pigs are defunct, new sparkly 20,000 capacity kop with leg room and indoor bars where you can just tap your card, grab a pint, leave.

Does anyone think a club 2

The only development we need to do as a club is re-do the KOP and the South Stand. Add a few extra thousand seats that takes us a bit closer 40k.

As others have said we don't have the demand even if we got Premier League football to go much further than that in terms of capacity.

I believe the Kop is the urgent priority, even though it was only redeveloped in 1990…It was an antiquated piece of architecture the day it was completed.
At the minute I think a better ground with improved site lines and better facilities is much more important than a vastly bigger ground. I’d be happy with a 35K capacity if all stands were of a similar standard.

 

[103SecondsOfMagic]

The truth is Wednesday fans are great day trippers. They’ve thousands of hangers on and good time fans who’ll pay for a one off expensive trip or one off merch.

They desperately needed everyone to turn up over the past few weeks. They got their club back but needed 30,000 turning up each home game. They failed to get over two thirds of them to turn out.
This is reality and it’s clearly demonstrable.

Yep. At their club's true moment of need, the massive fan base were at home watching Ant and Dec