Sporting Life - Overachieving Blades

[Sothall_Blade]

Yes we are and will continue to do so..

 

[BLADES1988]

Billy sharp "nippy" haha!

 

[knowsnowt]

Madine.
Boooooooo!

 

[boo radley]

Madine.
Boooooooo!

Twat, I was just dropping off.

 

[Champagneblade]

We're only really overachieving in so much that most of the 'experts' haven't done their homework.

1. Not many teams that win the league end up with 100 points. That would usually be a sign that there is quite an excess of quality in the team and it ought not to be a surprise that we adapted well to the Championship.

2. The fact we 'fell away' last year is lazily dismissed without any attempt to understand why. General musings that we got found out or run out of the magic powder that gave us momentum seem to be alluded to. Or a lack of backing from the owners. You can't have this last one without the number 1, 2 and 3 reason and that is the injury to Coutts and the inability to replace him.

Even with no investment, if Coutts was fit, we were play offs minimum and top two possible. Nothing suggested after 18 games we would not last. It was only a force majeure that caused this. It annoys me the 'experts' don't join the obvious dots because we're not a Champions League Club and don't have therefore irreplaceable players. Even now Ronaldo's absence from Real gets noted. So it should have been with Coutts. But that would require understanding our unique style, not lazily assuming we are plucky triers like the laughable Paul Parker analysis.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Lots of teams in our own division think we are lucky, in a false position etc

If we are mid table in the Prem next year (humour me ) then teams like QPR, BC, Ipswich etc will still think we are frauds and they are better

 

[diode_blade]

Lots of teams in our own division think we are lucky, in a false position etc

If we are mid table in the Prem next year (humour me ) then teams like QPR, BC, Ipswich etc will still think we are frauds and they are better

yes but the mahoosive will have written to the football authorities and the now prem league will become the "Pub league" and the championship will become the new top flight division with only one team in it, they will still manage to relagate themselves though...

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

We are over-achieving on a 'position should equate directly to money spent' league but are where we are deservedly. I would argue that there's a few teams under-achieving based on the money and players they have which arguably puts is in a false position but as the 'experts' will tell you, the table doesn't lie.

As discussed on another thread, there's a lot of snobbery, we have no right to do well when there's the likes of Frank Lampard's Derby, Forest, Villa etc and the media love ex Prem teams/managers/players but that is probably working in our favour at the moment. The management have done a fantastic job in 2 1/2 years not only developing a unique style of play but consistently getting the right players to push us on and get better. How far can this take us, who knows but there's no reason why the upward curve shouldn't continue.

Back to the point, over-achieving, maybe but it goes to show that money isn't the bve all and end all in this game if you get everything else right.

 

[Scarebus]

Might as well throw my first post in here...

This was last week's episode. Its a decent little championship podcast and worth a listen. If you skip forward to the last 10 minutes of this week's episode they have changed their tune a bit. The younger lad went to the QPR game and they talk a bit about us signing Madine (spoiler alert...they like it). They love Wilder as well.

 

[Deleted member 875]

I’ve seen it suggested on Twitter by a handful of Wednesdayites that this season the championship is poorer than it has been for years, and if they had their play off galaticos side with Carlos at the helm they would be up no question.

The simple fact is we are where we are on merit, and we have got a fucking good side, with some fucking good players. I don’t think many outsiders can grasp that.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

I’ve seen it suggested on Twitter by a handful of Wednesdayites that this season the championship is poorer than it has been for years, and if they had their play off galaticos side with Carlos at the helm they would be up no question.

The simple fact is we are where we are on merit, and we have got a fucking good side, with some fucking good players. I don’t think many outsiders can grasp that.

What Wendies fail to understand, is that the season they had their 'galacticos', they stumbled across the line. The were poor often and dropped points, yet everyone else around them dropped points too. It was competitive back then, anyone could beat anyone just like it is today.

The difference being, they have stumbled along for 3 seasons now treading water with the same players 3 years older and 3 years slower.

They can't stand how they've failed.

 

[Bayingblade]

I’ve seen it suggested on Twitter by a handful of Wednesdayites that this season the championship is poorer than it has been for years, and if they had their play off galaticos side with Carlos at the helm they would be up no question.

The simple fact is we are where we are on merit, and we have got a fucking good side, with some fucking good players. I don’t think many outsiders can grasp that.

Spot on Brownie. Let's just keep hoping that by the time the media and other clubs realise this, it's too late

 

[Boxer Blade]

I’ve seen it suggested on Twitter by a handful of Wednesdayites that this season the championship is poorer than it has been for years, and if they had their play off galaticos side with Carlos at the helm they would be up no question.

The simple fact is we are where we are on merit, and we have got a fucking good side, with some fucking good players. I don’t think many outsiders can grasp that.

I fuckin agree with you

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

I fuckin agree with you

Nah, we don't have any players that anyone else wants.

Everyone else seems to have better players that they receive ridiculously over priced bids for. We're still an upandatem league 1 side in some circles, Paul Parkers woefully uninformed comments back this up.

Good job Prutton or Murray aren't scouts mind, they'd be circling around us like tramps over chips.

 

[Sheff de party]

Given we have probably lost more points we’ve deserved than win points we didn’t deserve, there’s at least some credence to the argument we’re underachieving.

Devil’s advocate there.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

We're still the Dog and Duck, poncing around in La Liga.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

FFS - no we are not overachieving

Buying and paying for £40K per week footballers proves absolutely jack shit - there are numerous examples all over the Championship.

You may actually have a better chance with £40K players but that still doesn't mean they WILL achieve anything.

Our 1st or A team is achieving exactly what they are capable of and we nearly proved that last year as well.

Anyone can say therefore say that Bournemouth are 10 times overachieving - they are where they are on merit and so are we.

UTB

 

[Sheffsteel]

Think they mean if you have a set of players with a PL and Championship pedigree, then they can expect high wages
And would be expected to perform to a high standard.

If you have players with a league 1 pedigree then they can expect to be paid lower wages
And because they’ve not done it yet at a high level then expectation can’t be as high if they are thrown in to the deep end.

The above are the general rules in football and it’s what drives salaries and transfer fees.
The reason why a player can demand £40K a week is based on their cv. We don’t have any players who have any experience of the PL so logic suggests many may struggle if we gain promotion but who knows.

There are always exceptions where a solid ex PL player struggles in the Championship
Or players from the lower divisions that perform really well at the level above, like Fleck or a Bradley Dack at Blackburn.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I’ll give an example of what these people mean.

All our fans are convinced that Madine is this effective big physical lump who is good at heading
But what if when he plays for us he shows Messi-esque control, shows great intelligence setting up Sharp and scores a few worldies himself.

Would we say that Madine is over achieving?
Of course we would otherwise why has Madine never at anytime showed signs of PL quality in the past.?

Suppose if a player can suddenly produce high quality then it must always have been there
But it does seem weird how many of our players are playing their best/ highest quality football of their long careers.

The Birmingham and Burton fans don’t know whether to laugh or cry when they see how good Duffy is for us. The Wolves fans laugh in disbelief at how good Leon Clarke has been for us. The Coventry fans thought that Fleck was potentially a decent league 1 player but no better. Sharp was always seen as a coup (good signing) at league 1 level but not up to the Championship standard. The MK Dons fans said Baldock was great going forward but simply can’t defend.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

FFS - no we are not overachieving
Buying and paying for £40K per week footballers proves absolutely jack shit - there are numerous examples all over the Championship.
You may actually have a better chance with £40K players but that still doesn't mean they WILL achieve anything.
Our 1st or A team is achieving exactly what they are capable of and we nearly proved that last year as well.
Anyone can say therefore say that Bournemouth are 10 times overachieving - they are where they are on merit and so are we.
UTB

The dictionary definition of overachieving is “doing better than expected”.
Wilder, Knill and the management team are doing better than expected with the comparatively small transfer and wages budget at their disposal.
The players are doing better than expected as they are consistently performing well at an higher level than most have ever played at before.

Do United deserve to be where we are in the League? Absolutely.
Are they doing better than most of us expected and could possibly have hoped for? Definitely
I take it as a compliment not an insult.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Agree with Southall, technically SU are over achieving.

But normally the implication of the word “over achieving” suggests it’s temporary and won’t last.
The suggestion is that by some weird quirk of luck we have so many players that happen to be in the best form of their lives.

However I don’t think luck has anything to do with it
Wilder has managed to play to each players strengths and he has them so well drilled as a team so every single player (cog) knows their role within the team (machine). He’s also developed positivity and fantastic team spirit where players genuinely believe they can achieve.

The mistake outsiders are making is they are not aware of the reason why our players are over achieving and assume it’s down to a temporary peak in form so it must end sooner or later. However I believe Wilder deserves huge credit for setting up a system and environment where the players are thriving and logic suggests that the overachieving is not temporary and can continue all season.

 

[blade53]

I’ll give an example of what these people mean.

All our fans are convinced that Madine is this effective big physical lump who is good at heading
But what if when he plays for us he shows Messi-esque control, shows great intelligence setting up Sharp and scores a few worldies himself.

Would we say that Madine is over achieving?
Of course we would otherwise why has Madine never at anytime showed signs of PL quality in the past.?

Suppose if a player can suddenly produce high quality then it must always have been there
But it does seem weird how many of our players are playing their best/ highest quality football of their long careers.

The Birmingham and Burton fans don’t know whether to laugh or cry when they see how good Duffy is for us. The Wolves fans laugh in disbelief at how good Leon Clarke has been for us. The Coventry fans thought that Fleck was potentially a decent league 1 player but no better. Sharp was always seen as a coup (good signing) at league 1 level but not up to the Championship standard. The MK Dons fans said Baldock was great going forward but simply can’t defend.

The Brentford fans dismissed both O'Connell & Egan as being not good enough to get in their first team!

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Agree with Southall, technically SU are over achieving.

But normally the implication of the word “over achieving” suggests it’s temporary and won’t last.
The suggestion is that by some weird quirk of luck we have so many players that happen to be in the best form of their lives.

However I don’t think luck has anything to do with it
Wilder has managed to play to each players strengths and he has them so well drilled as a team so every single player (cog) knows their role within the team (machine). He’s also developed positivity and fantastic team spirit where players genuinely believe they can achieve.

The mistake outsiders are making is they are not aware of the reason why our players are over achieving and assume it’s down to a temporary peak in form so it must end sooner or later. However I believe Wilder deserves huge credit for setting up a system and environment where the players are thriving and logic suggests that the overachieving is not temporary and can continue all season.

Nicely put.

 

[Ivanhoe]

Agree with Southall, technically SU are over achieving.

But normally the implication of the word “over achieving” suggests it’s temporary and won’t last.
The suggestion is that by some weird quirk of luck we have so many players that happen to be in the best form of their lives.

However I don’t think luck has anything to do with it
Wilder has managed to play to each players strengths and he has them so well drilled as a team so every single player (cog) knows their role within the team (machine). He’s also developed positivity and fantastic team spirit where players genuinely believe they can achieve.

The mistake outsiders are making is they are not aware of the reason why our players are over achieving and assume it’s down to a temporary peak in form so it must end sooner or later. However I believe Wilder deserves huge credit for setting up a system and environment where the players are thriving and logic suggests that the overachieving is not temporary and can continue all season.

Spot On...

 

[itsinyerblood]

We're still the Dog and Duck, poncing around in La Liga.

Could you possibly mix up your metaphors any more than you already have?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What Wendies fail to understand, is that the season they had their 'galacticos', they stumbled across the line. The were poor often and dropped points, yet everyone else around them dropped points too. It was competitive back then, anyone could beat anyone just like it is today.

The difference being, they have stumbled along for 3 seasons now treading water with the same players 3 years older and 3 years slower.

They can't stand how they've failed.

Good job for them it is poor league or else they would be going down (still might).

 

[Mumbo]

Back in our promotion season I said that Wilder would be widely credited with a revolutionary style of football, people whispered it first(except us)
and some pundits,managers and fans are proper taking notice now but if we reach the prem and manage to stay there
the elephant in the room will be wearing red and white stripes and be impossible not to spot.When it all kicks off I hope we can match
Wilders ambition by giving him a few bob because someone undoubtedly will however I do love the fact that he’s torn the rule book up
when it comes to achievement without big names and big money.
Up the revolution!
UTB.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Back in our promotion season I said that Wilder would be widely credited with a revolutionary style of football, people whispered it first(except us)
and some pundits,managers and fans are proper taking notice now but if we reach the prem and manage to stay there
the elephant in the room will be wearing red and white stripes and be impossible not to spot.When it all kicks off I hope we can match
Wilders ambition by giving him a few bob because someone undoubtedly will however I do love the fact that he’s torn the rule book up
when it comes to achievement without big names and big money.
Up the revolution!
UTB.

Agree it does make you wonder where it’s all going to end. Wilder could be creating history right now.
Brentford were confident that OConnell and Egan weren’t good enough centre halves for their team.
Maybe O’Connell is average playing defensive centre back in a back 4 (2 centre backs and 2 full backs).

However just look at OConnells current role In a back 5 (3 centre backs and 2 wingbacks) at SU.
Has any centre back in the history of the game been asked to get forward so much spending so much time on the wing overlapping the wing back. Also has any other centre back ever been expected to whip in so many crosses. It’s totally crazy.....but works.

Basham is the right sided centre back and also goes up into attack helping our right wing back George Baldock. Our tactics are no secret anymore but opposition coaches still can’t seem to overcome and nullify us.