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[Andy67]

There seems to be common statements that are released by the club and a lot of fans accept them without questioning the statements. Let us start with we let contracts run down because players tend to show better performances in order to get a new contract. Is this true? should we take this at face value or think about the short termism with this approach? Do players want to secure a longer contract ? are wages kept low if contracts are offered are they derisory? Do players not want to play for the club or do players feel wanted by other clubs? Just asking this because our club says everyone wants to leave because they don’t see their future here.

 

[steve26272]

Think it’s part of the game mate, very few one club players, giggs, carra, G. Neville, Terry…

We’ve had local lads and top players all move on - Walker, Maguire etc

How many people outside of football have a one job career?

Across 30 years of working I’ve changed jobs on average every 3 years, better money, boredom, sold a dream…..

Nothing to see here

 

[BerksBlade]

There seems to be common statements that are released by the club and a lot of fans accept them without questioning the statements. Let us start with we let contracts run down because players tend to show better performances in order to get a new contract. Is this true? should we take this at face value or think about the short termism with this approach? Do players want to secure a longer contract ? are wages kept low if contracts are offered are they derisory? Do players not want to play for the club or do players feel wanted by other clubs? Just asking this because our club says everyone wants to leave because they don’t see their future here.

It's just bullshit mate. Prince Abdullah trying to present himself as a shrewd negotiator when in reality he hasn't got a clue how to run a football club properly.
Decent players (and their agents) should be happy running their contracts down because they can negotiate a big sign-on fee as free agents rather than take a cut of any transfer fee.

 

[Andy67]

It's just bullshit mate. Prince Abdullah trying to present himself as a shrewd negotiator when in reality he hasn't got a clue how to run a football club properly.
Decent players (and their agents) should be happy running their contracts down because they can negotiate a big sign-on fee as free agents rather than take a cut of any transfer fee.

Always the same from the board, didn’t want to play for us and best deal we could get.

 

[FriethBlade]

Yeah but we are benefitting from the same phenomena...hence one of the best midfielders in the division arrived here on a free. Plus we didn't renegotiate McBurnies contract 13 months ago and now may end up getting him back for less than he was on

It's a balancing act isn't it because I guess we are all mega happy that Brewster was signed on a 4 Yr contract. !!! The longer you tie them up for the longer we are on the hook if they get injured or are shit.

 

[Snowflake]

Always the same from the board, didn’t want to play for us and best deal we could get.

Isn’t that the case with all teams other than the top 8/10 ?

 

[Houston_Blade]

Yeah but we are benefitting from the same phenomena...hence one of the best midfielders in the division arrived here on a free. Plus we didn't renegotiate McBurnies contract 13 months ago and now may end up getting him back for less than he was on

It's a balancing act isn't it because I guess we are all mega happy that Brewster was signed on a 4 Yr contract. !!! The longer you tie them up for the longer we are on the hook if they get injured or are shit.

Brewster’s in his final season so he’s gonna light the place up just like all the others did in their final season

 

[Tezza1889]

Brewster’s in his final season so he’s gonna light the place up just like all the others did in their final season

He will either have a good season, or be injured first month..to recover miraculously on the last week of the season.

It's 50/50

 

[dexter101]

With brewster I always think who will sign him after his time with us... and then I think about ravel Morrison and realise there's always some idiot out there

 

[Champagneblade]

There seems to be common statements that are released by the club and a lot of fans accept them without questioning the statements. Let us start with we let contracts run down because players tend to show better performances in order to get a new contract. Is this true? should we take this at face value or think about the short termism with this approach? Do players want to secure a longer contract ? are wages kept low if contracts are offered are they derisory? Do players not want to play for the club or do players feel wanted by other clubs? Just asking this because our club says everyone wants to leave because they don’t see their future here.

I can understand this approach to a player over 30.

I can’t for the life of me understand how this helps for players who are, say, under the age of 27.

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

There seems to be common statements that are released by the club and a lot of fans accept them without questioning the statements. Let us start with we let contracts run down because players tend to show better performances in order to get a new contract. Is this true? should we take this at face value or think about the short termism with this approach? Do players want to secure a longer contract ? are wages kept low if contracts are offered are they derisory? Do players not want to play for the club or do players feel wanted by other clubs? Just asking this because our club says everyone wants to leave because they don’t see their future here.

Let’s look again at the interview in which the Prince made his statement about players being better in their final year of contracts. It was part of a section in which he gave a series of rambling responses, and appeared to have completely lost his train of thought. He even looked mildly embarrassed as he was saying it.
“Fans” have leapt upon this throwaway comment as the gospel truth, almost part of a stated strategy, and quote it at every opportunity.
Let’s then have a look at some other facts, and the actions of the Prince not long after that interview.
Ndaiye. If he’s going to play even better in his final year of contract, then he’s a world beater. Prince sold him with a year left on his contract, to avoid losing value altogether.
Berge. Our ‘Rolls Royce’ in the eyes of some. Coming into his final year of contract - my word, he should be purring. Prince sold him with a year left on his contract, to avoid losing value altogether.

Bogle as the most recent example.

So what do you believe, his hastily improvised words or his considered actions? ( admittedly, he probably had little choice in the Ndaiye situation).

The Prince, by his actions, clearly does not believe that players play better in the final year of their contract. He chooses to sell them before their final year of contract, in order to preserve the assets of the club.

Players aren’t choosing to run their contacts down because they “ don’t see their future here”. They would rather pocket huge signing on fees that they would not achieve during sale under contract, or renewal of contract. Who can blame them for this? If they are confident enough in their abilities, they will take the chance and live with the consequences.

I’m tired of people caning the Prince for a poor off the cuff comment. And then these same people wonder why he doesn’t communicate more freely with us.

The OP asks the question as to whether players want to leave us because they don’t see their future with us. Just like most of the free signings that we are picking up, just like Harry Kane at Spurs, just like Mbappe at PSG, just like dozens of others, the players have woken up to the possibility of putting the money into their own bank accounts, rather than those of the football clubs. I’m personally surprised that it has taken them this long to work this out.

The real mettle of the club is in persuading those players who choose to run down their contracts with other teams to join us rather than other clubs. O’Hare is a current example of where we have punched well above our weight.

 

[Houston_Blade]

He will either have a good season, or be injured first month..to recover miraculously on the last week of the season.

It's 50/50

I’d go somewhere in between, he’ll be injured then get fit and have a half decent game, people will say “there’s a player in there” and then he’ll get injured again.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Let’s look again at the interview in which the Prince made his statement about players being better in their final year of contracts. It was part of a section in which he gave a series of rambling responses, and appeared to have completely lost his train of thought. He even looked mildly embarrassed as he was saying it.
“Fans” have leapt upon this throwaway comment as the gospel truth, almost part of a stated strategy, and quote it at every opportunity.
Let’s then have a look at some other facts, and the actions of the Prince not long after that interview.
Ndaiye. If he’s going to play even better in his final year of contract, then he’s a world beater. Prince sold him with a year left on his contract, to avoid losing value altogether.
Berge. Our ‘Rolls Royce’ in the eyes of some. Coming into his final year of contract - my word, he should be purring. Prince sold him with a year left on his contract, to avoid losing value altogether.

Bogle as the most recent example.

So what do you believe, his hastily improvised words or his considered actions? ( admittedly, he probably had little choice in the Ndaiye situation).

The Prince, by his actions, clearly does not believe that players play better in the final year of their contract. He chooses to sell them before their final year of contract, in order to preserve the assets of the club.

Players aren’t choosing to run their contacts down because they “ don’t see their future here”. They would rather pocket huge signing on fees that they would not achieve during sale under contract, or renewal of contract. Who can blame them for this? If they are confident enough in their abilities, they will take the chance and live with the consequences.

I’m tired of people caning the Prince for a poor off the cuff comment. And then these same people wonder why he doesn’t communicate more freely with us.

The OP asks the question as to whether players want to leave us because they don’t see their future with us. Just like most of the free signings that we are picking up, just like Harry Kane at Spurs, just like Mbappe at PSG, just like dozens of others, the players have woken up to the possibility of putting the money into their own bank accounts, rather than those of the football clubs. I’m personally surprised that it has taken them this long to work this out.

The real mettle of the club is in persuading those players who choose to run down their contracts with other teams to join us rather than other clubs. O’Hare is a current example of where we have punched well above our weight.

You make some good points and the stupidity of the comment is what was most amusing (or worrying) at the time he said it.

Wilder and Abdullah came out a few years ago and pursued a strategy of signing young players with a potential future value, this was applauded by the time and although it lends itself to us being a ‘stepping stone’ for up and coming players, I don’t think many would complain if we did this and it sustained us financially. It was also done as a reaction to McCabe’s ‘buy or loan old fuckers with little or no future value’ approach that led to League 1.

Without trawling through past transfers I can think of Ndiaye, Ramsdale (in a roundabout manner) and now Bogle who we’ve signed and sold for more than we paid.

We’ve then reaped the benefit of the likes of Norwood, Egan, Basham, Enda, Fleck, Baldock, JOC, JLT who owe/d us nothing at the end of their time (there will be more I’m sure) and were relatively young when we signed them. Didzy being older so he’s an anomaly for me.

We’ve spent a lot of money on a lot of other players and we’ll end up with them out of contract and worth nothing, some of them owe us little (I’d say McB has paid for himself in the PL 9th place and promotion season). Some we’ve jettisoned mid contract and others we’ve been lumbered with.

I do think the comment about final year of contract was a throwaway one, but he said it and it definitely highlights the freewheeling nature in which our club seems to have been run on recently.

Hopefully we now see some smart recruitment and a move back to players being either with us for a few years and leaving with a blessing or sold for a profit in contract. It won’t be easy though, we can’t all ‘do a Brighton’!