Spending Big Dough aint the Answer

[Esablade]

using piggies to show game changing can mean different levels of investment
not wednesday then
fulham and villa both spunked far more on game changing investment last season#
Brighton , did what we need to do , maintain a good squad and tweek a bit
focused on a few reasonablely priced players, rather than throwing vast sums on individuals

Not sure Brighton are the model you’re after, they ‘speculated to accumulate’ in the Championship and ended up with a wage bill over the £30 million mark and total losses of £71 million, averaging £14 million a season. ( up to 2015/16)

Maybe Udders were closer to where we are and they used ‘free’s’ and the loan system well...though they did spend around £2 million on Schindler.

 

[5tannington Blade]

The Blades and Bolton had the largest wage bills in league 1. Was this just coincidental to them gaining promotion?

Of course it doesn't guarantee promotion but it's quite obvious really. Good players earn more money than average players. Good players cost more to buy than average players. Good players when managed by a good manager such as Wilder win games.

You've said it yourself. The prem is a reflection of big spending. I cant see how this wouldn't apply to other leagues and indeed wage bills and player spending show that it does. I don't see why it is such a surprise.

There will always be anomalies of team doing well through excellent management with relatively less money, but in football, money spent correctly and teams managed well buys success.

I get your point. Lets not forget we were one of the biggest spenders in the division for 6 YEARS and I don't think we had that a complete string of horrendous managers in that time (there were a couple mind). My main concern at the minute is that championship prices have gone so loopy over the last 2 years due to TV money in the prem. it's not sustainable for our club to pay them. The likes of Rhodes, McCormack, Assombalonga are not value for money but you're right, we do need to spend a bit more to attract the best talent.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

There is a big queue of potential investors willing to buy United,but McCabe is so crooked that he won't sell up,not when he's taking millions out of the club every season

Is it not possible for you to have a reasoned discussion or do you and plenty of other posters on here have to resort to childish sarcy comments , were all blades we want the same thing dont we.

So do you not agree that in terms of how wilder has been backed were near the very bottom of the league ?

Im not saying mccabe is crooked am i ? Mccabe has been a very good/stable chairman for us even though he has made some bad managerial appointments?

But its looking like he doesnt have or isnt willing to put the money in like he did under warnock/robson/blackwell and if he isnt is it not reasonable to suggest there aare better owners/investors out there

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Not sure McCabe is at fault on this.
The sudden reappointment of McCabes on the board recently and the strange loan when the owners have previously covered costs suggest there's a breakdown in relations between the owners.
It looks like a split over investment plans.

 

[Wapping Blade]

Is it not possible for you to have a reasoned discussion or do you and plenty of other posters on here have to resort to childish sarcy comments , were all blades we want the same thing dont we.

So do you not agree that in terms of how wilder has been backed were near the very bottom of the league ?

Im not saying mccabe is crooked am i ? Mccabe has been a very good/stable chairman for us even though he has made some bad managerial appointments?

But its looking like he doesnt have or isnt willing to put the money in like he did under warnock/robson/blackwell and if he isnt is it not reasonable to suggest there aare better owners/investors out there

Are you one?

 

[blade too long]

Not sure Brighton are the model you’re after, they ‘speculated to accumulate’ in the Championship and ended up with a wage bill over the £30 million mark and total losses of £71 million, averaging £14 million a season. ( up to 2015/16)

Maybe Udders were closer to where we are and they used ‘free’s’ and the loan system well...though they did spend around £2 million on Schindler.

its more living within your means ,
mccabe puts in what he can but hes rich by working man standards , but small fry in football club investment spare cash terms
but hes all weve had, to decry what hes done is pointless , no one else there to count on

still have no real proof prince is substantially minted enough to weigh in with big sums

 

[Harvey Robinson-Smythe]

Money does buy success. Wolves have spent and it has to be said they've spent very well.

We're on the fringes of the playoffs. There's a lot of good teams who'll be competing to get in there. We showed against Derby, a team second in the form table, that we're good enough to get in there.

It would be a shame not to take this opportunity to make sure of our place. Who's to say what's going to happen next season. Believe people are making the assumption that things are only going to get better.

Let's spend a bit to make sure things do.

 

[Maidenhead]

For the 5000 milionth time no one is saying spend millions of pounds if mccabe and the prince cant afford to and therefore putting the club at risk.
But if mccabe and the prince can only afford to stump together enough for wilder to sign leomard when we need much more then him im afraid mccabe should do the right thing for the ambition of the club and find someone who can. (And no i dont want someone to come in and spend like chansiri)

A) I think you will find that mosbolad was and

B) I think McCabe would love to do that. Can you please point him in the direction of this queue of would be investors with bundles of money and the best interests of the club at heart?

 

[Esablade]

its more living within your means ,
mccabe puts in what he can but hes rich by working man standards , but small fry in football club investment spare cash terms
but hes all weve had, to decry what hes done is pointless , no one else there to count on

still have no real proof prince is substantially minted enough to weigh in with big sums

..but Brighton were not ‘living within their means’ until the gamble paid off with promotion to the Prem...(they lost £38.9 million getting promoted last season..who knows what would have happened had they had failed again.)

That’s the difference, Bloom at Brighton is a gambler (literally), McCabe’s a builder...he’ll keep the foundations reyt but will be loathe to have a punt...maybe even on the best shot he’ll have at winning.

Re: Princey...apart from halving McCabe’s burden each year re: cost’s, the bloke is something of a mystery.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Is it not possible for you to have a reasoned discussion or do you and plenty of other posters on here have to resort to childish sarcy comments , were all blades we want the same thing dont we.

So do you not agree that in terms of how wilder has been backed were near the very bottom of the league ?

Im not saying mccabe is crooked am i ? Mccabe has been a very good/stable chairman for us even though he has made some bad managerial appointments?

But its looking like he doesnt have or isnt willing to put the money in like he did under warnock/robson/blackwell and if he isnt is it not reasonable to suggest there aare better owners/investors out there

Like I said,there's loads of potential investors waiting in the wings to invest their money into United,why McCabe won't sell to any of these is a mystery,he's holding us back for sure

 

[YES Blade]

It’s a case of backing Wilder for me, I’m not saying we should just throw a huge some of money at Wilder no questions asked (not that we could). It’s more a case of stretching the budget or even going over it by a modest amount in order to secure the signing of one or two quality players to improve our promotion chances for this season.

I’ll give an example to illustrate my point. Say with the Coady offer we bid £3m and it’s our entire transfer fee budget. Wolves turn round and say they want £4m, could we not push our budget to say £3.75m?

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

For the 5000 milionth time no one is saying spend millions of pounds if mccabe and the prince cant afford to and therefore putting the club at risk.
But if mccabe and the prince can only afford to stump together enough for wilder to sign leomard when we need much more then him im afraid mccabe should do the right thing for the ambition of the club and find someone who can. (And no i dont want someone to come in and spend like chansiri)

There are 2 people who are at the moment mysteriously elusive, and as yet have no name (as far as I am aware):
1. The person who wants to buy the club, and would invest money wisely without risking the future well-being of the club.
2. The player we could buy this month, who would fit our wages budget and team ethic, and who would come in from day 1 and start playing like Coutts for the rest of the season.
I have not come near to suggestions for either role.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

It’s a case of backing Wilder for me, I’m not saying we should just throw a huge some of money at Wilder no questions asked (not that we could). It’s more a case of stretching the budget or even going over it by a modest amount in order to secure the signing of one or two quality players to improve our promotion chances for this season.

I’ll give an example to illustrate my point. Say with the Coady offer we bid £3m and it’s our entire transfer fee budget. Wolves turn round and say they want £4m, could we not push our budget to say £3.75m?

I agree with paragraph 1. But why would Wolves want to sell a 24 year-old midfielder who has made over 20 appearances this season to a Championship side? Coady would be a good addition to our squad, but we would have to pay a ridiculous amount +wages to tempt him away from a promotion-bound club.

 

[YES Blade]

I agree with paragraph 1. But why would Wolves want to sell a 24 year-old midfielder who has made over 20 appearances this season to a Championship side? Coady would be a good addition to our squad, but we would have to pay a ridiculous amount +wages to tempt him away from a promotion-bound club.

It was just an example as Wilder confirmed we bid for him in the summer.

It could be any player, if Wilder thinks the player is worth an extra £500k to £1m above our budget and we can afford the wages even at level which makes him top earner then we should take this calculated risk.

Wilder has proven he’s worth gambling on and while we are close to the play-offs, now seems as good a time as any to take a small gamble.

 

[mosbolad]

A) I think you will find that mosbolad was and

B) I think McCabe would love to do that. Can you please point him in the direction of this queue of would be investors with bundles of money and the best interests of the club at heart?

I'm really not Maidenhead, maybe I've worded it wrongly. I was disagreeing with the original poster in that there IS a strong correlation between the amount spent and league position (assuming a good manager etc). Having said that I think that Hardy was saying it is not the answer for us at the moment, and to that I agree.

To your point B I agree also.

 

[Tommoblade66]

Rather spend as little as possible in the right areas

 

[Houston_Blade]

We've done that already, Horsfield and Hendrie spring to mind and Hammond - never sign anybody whose name begins with 'H'!

But the names of those lovely gentlemen began with G, L and D.

 

[8lade]

But the names of those lovely gentlemen began with G, L and D.

You might notice whenever I refer to anybody, even those who have my full support I only use their surnames, I've softened towards the McCabes recently and generally refer to them as the McCabe Family but only because they have supported United so much financially (and let's face it every penny may be yours and you may have only just married her but in the background somewhere is a woman saying, 'why are you spending money on that?'). You can blame my grumpy bastard of a teacher when I was 10 who did this to us, that and spending my life in the military.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Show me the money