Spending Big Dough aint the Answer

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IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
Wolves are proving it's exactly the way to do it.

The difference is, we don't have any money so are following a totally different strategy. Blades fans saying stupidly generic things like "back the manager" and "spend some money" etc, really haven't been paying attention...

Wilder will add one or two players from Leagues One & Two for undisclosed fees and McCabe will get trolled and told to sell up - when actually it's all part of a wider strategy...
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Bull*shit
 

Silent Blade said:
We did in 1985-86, 1996-97, 1997-98 and 2007-08 and achieved nothing
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The only time that I can really remember us spending serious money and getting any success was in the 1981-2 season.

I know it wasn't silly money, but for a fourth division outfit (and in the context of the time) we made a couple of fairly expensive, but astute signings.

The following year we spent a bit as well on Alan Young, Terry Curran and Ray McHale. Don't know how much, but I am guessing it would probably have been beyond the means of most third division clubs. Also, Ross and Towner came in later in the season. But that ended up being a bit of a car crash season. Had it not been for that spell when we went on a run of winning about 9 or 10 consecutive home matches, we would have been in a relegation fight.

Our away form was absolutely atrocious. 13 points for the whole season.
 
hardytm2004 said:
Heard far too many blades fans saying we need to be spending big money this January in order for us to have a chance at promotion. I can see why people have a knee jerk reaction to our position and think that would give us a decent chance of going up - I honestly think these fans need to be careful what they wish for and believe in the current McCabe and Tufty approach. I'd just ask these fans to bear a few things in mind :-

1. Listen to the piggys squealing at Hillsborough after Burton --- still in shock that multi million pound signings aren't producing the performances their price tags should warrant. They are now left with an old squad on overinflated wages - players that they won't be able to shift on. This is causing such bitterness amongst the fans towards the players, that's the last thing we want. We've finally got rid of our dead wood in the likes of Hammond etc. - do we really want to makes those mistakes again? Wednesday aren't the exception either, look at how much the likes of Boro have spent on half decent Championship players and they can't get into the playoffs.

2. Noone comes cheap in 2018 & Wilder likes british players that see our club as a step up. I think we'd be breaking our existing recruitment model if we were to pinch a fellow championship player for £1.5mill +. Realistically these players are going to want more money than our current squad are on and we need to appreciate what impact these might have on the existing players that are doing extremely well for us. Taking a gamble on a few younger/raw players isn't a gamble when one or two come off. Sell on values in the Championship are huge at the minute and will only rise as more premier league money filters down.

3. You only had to see that video last deadline day for how ridiculous things are at the minute in the transfer market - greedy agents holding out til the final minutes to try and capitalise on panicking managers paying over the odds for players. We need to be steady and keep what we are doing. Chris to pick the right characters for the club, do his background checks and stick to his guns on a price. There is no one in that squad that he has significantly overpaid for that will be worth a fraction of what he paid. That's a testament to his recruitment over the last 18 months.

4. You only need to look at Huddersfield to see what can be achieved with limited resources and a top manager. Just BELIEVE! Even if it doesn't happen in the immediate future we have got a special man in charge at the minute who will make the difference and gradually tweaks things to get us where we want to be. Let's playoff the fact we can be underdogs in the division - it makes it all that bit sweeter when things come off. This is still a step up for Tufty and it might take him a few bites at the cherry to get it right in this division - we all need to remember that.

I think we should all be delighted if we lose no one and bring in 2 or 3 key astute signings this window. Let's just look forward to the Derby and the other big games this month rather than moaning on the transfer forum everyday about McCabe not forking out the big bucks. This is the happiest I've been as a fan since we went up to the Prem. and long may it continue! UTB
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I don't think anyone is expecting 15-20m spent, but a realistic amount firva club this size.... wilder has ambition and he knows what he can do with 8-10m, we have the perfect chance this season, let's take it.
 
all we are asking is to spend a few mil but it looks like Barnsley are going to spend more:D
 
YES Blade said:
Couldn’t be arsed to read that monster post!

My response is Man City and Wolves, spent shit loads and both top.
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Both have got big money. We dont.

Even Mourinho at man Utd is bemoaning how much man city are spending

Of course wed love to blow 40m on players
But that's 10 years budgets for us. Just a fact
 
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Bar a couple of people saying we should stump up 1m for good old Leonard I haven't seen any of this "spunk moneh" bollocks.
Are you on a parallel forum generated by quantum physics?
 
hardytm2004 said:
Heard far too many blades fans saying we need to be spending big money this January in order for us to have a chance at promotion. I can see why people have a knee jerk reaction to our position and think that would give us a decent chance of going up - I honestly think these fans need to be careful what they wish for and believe in the current McCabe and Tufty approach. I'd just ask these fans to bear a few things in mind :-

1. Listen to the piggys squealing at Hillsborough after Burton --- still in shock that multi million pound signings aren't producing the performances their price tags should warrant. They are now left with an old squad on overinflated wages - players that they won't be able to shift on. This is causing such bitterness amongst the fans towards the players, that's the last thing we want. We've finally got rid of our dead wood in the likes of Hammond etc. - do we really want to makes those mistakes again? Wednesday aren't the exception either, look at how much the likes of Boro have spent on half decent Championship players and they can't get into the playoffs.

2. Noone comes cheap in 2018 & Wilder likes british players that see our club as a step up. I think we'd be breaking our existing recruitment model if we were to pinch a fellow championship player for £1.5mill +. Realistically these players are going to want more money than our current squad are on and we need to appreciate what impact these might have on the existing players that are doing extremely well for us. Taking a gamble on a few younger/raw players isn't a gamble when one or two come off. Sell on values in the Championship are huge at the minute and will only rise as more premier league money filters down.

3. You only had to see that video last deadline day for how ridiculous things are at the minute in the transfer market - greedy agents holding out til the final minutes to try and capitalise on panicking managers paying over the odds for players. We need to be steady and keep what we are doing. Chris to pick the right characters for the club, do his background checks and stick to his guns on a price. There is no one in that squad that he has significantly overpaid for that will be worth a fraction of what he paid. That's a testament to his recruitment over the last 18 months.

4. You only need to look at Huddersfield to see what can be achieved with limited resources and a top manager. Just BELIEVE! Even if it doesn't happen in the immediate future we have got a special man in charge at the minute who will make the difference and gradually tweaks things to get us where we want to be. Let's playoff the fact we can be underdogs in the division - it makes it all that bit sweeter when things come off. This is still a step up for Tufty and it might take him a few bites at the cherry to get it right in this division - we all need to remember that.

I think we should all be delighted if we lose no one and bring in 2 or 3 key astute signings this window. Let's just look forward to the Derby and the other big games this month rather than moaning on the transfer forum everyday about McCabe not forking out the big bucks. This is the happiest I've been as a fan since we went up to the Prem. and long may it continue! UTB
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But criminally underfunding the best manager we’ve had at the perfect time is though ???
 
my expectations haven't been set to high, i think Liverpool not Man city.

That's why people are getting disgruntled, we stood by the club and believed what we were told.
 
I think Wilder seems to know the score from the bits and pieces I've picked up in his interviews. You'd hope he'll get the backing if he wants a player and it's a sensible deal. For me, the key to it is that Wilder doesn't get pi$$ed off by the lack of ambition and backing from the board and be tempted to go elsewhere. I really believe we've got a top manager and I hope he's here for a long time.

Obviously we want to win every game and because of how well we've done, expectations go up, but I'd still be more than happy with a top half finish and anything better would still be a fantastic achievement. It took the pigs about 3 or 4 seasons to achieve a top half finish when they came up.

I'm just loving going to games and supporting this club at the moment. It seems a million miles away from those chastening experiences under Adkins.
 
I don't think that most sensible Blades fans are either wanting or expecting us to spend stupid money on overpaid mercenaries who won't fit in to the Tufty ethos of the squad.

But there is an expectation that Tufty will be adequately resourced to be competitive in the top 6 of the League, given the great work he's already done on a limited budget.

Totally agree ..... its not a requirement of success that a Club spends huge amounts on fees & wages but its clear for all to see that our squad is quite thin and requires augmenting quickly if we are to capitalise upon the good position we're currently in.

If we don't, then we can expect that we will fall away and finish perhaps 8th - 10th which would be a shame after the early season promise.

I don't think its likely that Tufty's asking for £10m to spend; he knows that's pie in the sky, but I'm guessing he wants about £4m ish which is much more realistic and would enable us to bring in 2/3 quality players and maybe use loans effectively as well.

We need to replace players like Hanson, Lavery, Carruthers with players who don't weaken the first 11, but go toe-to-toe with the first 11 for a place and genuinely strengthen the squad ........ that will make us competitive in the second half of the season and I trust Tufty to bring in the right quality of player, with the right attitude, IF he is supported by the Board. :rolleyes:

I'm not expecting that we are told now that Tufty has lots of money to spend; that would be a foolish negotiating strategy ....... but if we get through the transfer window and its clear that he's been told to make do with scraps ....... then the Board should rightly expect the wrath of the long suffering supporters. o_O imho

UTB & FTP
 

Tom Bott said:
How many clubs also spend shit loads and are not top.

Pigs,Sunderfooland,Hell City,Brum, etc etc etc.

Money is easy to spend when it is not your own..
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But it's the answer to Wolves and Man City's success. It not as simple as spend shit loads of money you will win the league, but it certainly helps.

You use Wednesday as an example, before their takeover they finished 18th, 16th and 13th, then after the money they finished 6th and 4th. Were those play-off seasons down to Carlos' great management skills or the money they spent and therefore better squad they had?

You need a combination of various factors and budget is definitely one of them. A top manager like Wilder can only take us so far on a small budget.
 
Tunstall Fred said:
After selling Adams and DCL to help fund the spending,do you suggest we sell again,to fund incoming players?
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I never said it wasn't funded by sales, how many League One clubs sell their top players then re-invest it into the squad?

The fact remains we had one of the highest if not the highest League One budgets and it helped Wilder piss the league.
 
YES Blade said:
I never said it wasn't funded by sales, how many League One clubs sell their top players then re-invest it into the squad?

The fact remains we had one of the highest if not the highest League One budgets and it helped Wilder piss the league.
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So you are advocating doing the same,selling players to fund incoming signings?
 
blade too long said:
some are expecting us to match the 30 and 40 m some clubs have spent so its not realistic

We have a good benfactor in mccabe but he hasnt the resouses some have to throw around
we cant diss him over him not being a billionaire
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Again, no one is expecting that.
 
Just put one thing to bed; if anybody says they're not expecting us to spend 30-40 million just a realistic amount of 10/5/2 million, it doesn't matter if it seems realistic to you if it's unaffordable it isn't going to happen. Nobody knows, even those people who put a 'winky' emoji after saying what they think the figure is, so let's just sit tight and see what happens.
 
YES Blade said:
Last season we spent big by League One standards
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True. More importantly, we spent well, and within the pay structure, and on players identified early. You can improve the squad like that in January, but you can't make sweeping changes and expect immediate success. If we sold Brooks for silly money this month, it would be disruptive to the squad to spend the lot on one or two big name signings.
 
hardytm2004 said:
Heard far too many blades fans saying we need to be spending big money this January in order for us to have a chance at promotion. I can see why people have a knee jerk reaction to our position and think that would give us a decent chance of going up - I honestly think these fans need to be careful what they wish for and believe in the current McCabe and Tufty approach. I'd just ask these fans to bear a few things in mind :-

1. Listen to the piggys squealing at Hillsborough after Burton --- still in shock that multi million pound signings aren't producing the performances their price tags should warrant. They are now left with an old squad on overinflated wages - players that they won't be able to shift on. This is causing such bitterness amongst the fans towards the players, that's the last thing we want. We've finally got rid of our dead wood in the likes of Hammond etc. - do we really want to makes those mistakes again? Wednesday aren't the exception either, look at how much the likes of Boro have spent on half decent Championship players and they can't get into the playoffs.

2. Noone comes cheap in 2018 & Wilder likes british players that see our club as a step up. I think we'd be breaking our existing recruitment model if we were to pinch a fellow championship player for £1.5mill +. Realistically these players are going to want more money than our current squad are on and we need to appreciate what impact these might have on the existing players that are doing extremely well for us. Taking a gamble on a few younger/raw players isn't a gamble when one or two come off. Sell on values in the Championship are huge at the minute and will only rise as more premier league money filters down.

3. You only had to see that video last deadline day for how ridiculous things are at the minute in the transfer market - greedy agents holding out til the final minutes to try and capitalise on panicking managers paying over the odds for players. We need to be steady and keep what we are doing. Chris to pick the right characters for the club, do his background checks and stick to his guns on a price. There is no one in that squad that he has significantly overpaid for that will be worth a fraction of what he paid. That's a testament to his recruitment over the last 18 months.

4. You only need to look at Huddersfield to see what can be achieved with limited resources and a top manager. Just BELIEVE! Even if it doesn't happen in the immediate future we have got a special man in charge at the minute who will make the difference and gradually tweaks things to get us where we want to be. Let's playoff the fact we can be underdogs in the division - it makes it all that bit sweeter when things come off. This is still a step up for Tufty and it might take him a few bites at the cherry to get it right in this division - we all need to remember that.

I think we should all be delighted if we lose no one and bring in 2 or 3 key astute signings this window. Let's just look forward to the Derby and the other big games this month rather than moaning on the transfer forum everyday about McCabe not forking out the big bucks. This is the happiest I've been as a fan since we went up to the Prem. and long may it continue! UTB
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Here's the top spending clubs in the Premiere League for summer 2017

Premier League club's money spent on transfers this Summer.

Man City - £217.3m
Chelsea - £202m
Man Utd - £169.5m
Everton - £152.9m
Liverpool - £82.9m
Tottenham - £82.1m

5 of the top 6 spenders make up the top 5 of the Premiere League.

Seriously Hardy what do you make of this if spending 'aint' the answer? o_O

And just for good measure the BOTTOM/lowest 4 spenders are in the bottom 7 of the league.

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-09-01/manchester-city-top-the-premier-league-spending-table/
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-09-01/manchester-city-top-the-premier-league-spending-table/
It would appear that spending big dough actually is the answer if firstly you have big dough to spend and secondly a manager who can spend it wisely.


 
Tunstall Fred said:
So you are advocating doing the same,selling players to fund incoming signings?
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I'm not saying anything, I just saying that I don't agree with the statement of "Spending Big Dough ain't the Answer".

Spending big money can mean success, especially when you have a top manager like Wilder. We don't have multi billionaire owners to allow us to compete with the top spenders, I'm realistic about that. But I don't accept that we are doing things the "right way" or that spending money is the wrong approach, it's just that the only only approach available to us is to find value in the lower leagues, young Prem loans and sign ageing players.
 
Sharrow Snuff Mill said:
It`s all about money for some people. Presumably these people, if they are to be consistent, bemoan the signings of Fleck, Coutts, Clarke, O`Connell, Duffy etc. because they did not cost headline grabbing sums.
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Who are these people? And why would they bemoan the signing of these players, they have been excellent for us. They are good signings but cost a lot by league one standards (and I don't know how much).

I can't find the figures for transfer spending in our promotion season but unless I have the wrong year I can for spending on agents. The amount spent on agents will directly correlate with the amount spent on players (I think) as agents are on a percentage. Guess what we paid the third highest in the league with Bolton just behind us.

Guess what also, the lowest spenders finished way down the league.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39532082
 

mosbolad said:
Here's the top spending clubs in the Premiere League for summer 2017

Premier League club's money spent on transfers this Summer.

Man City - £217.3m
Chelsea - £202m
Man Utd - £169.5m
Everton - £152.9m
Liverpool - £82.9m
Tottenham - £82.1m

5 of the top 6 spenders make up the top 5 of the Premiere League.

Seriously Hardy what do you make of this if spending 'aint' the answer? o_O

And just for good measure the BOTTOM/lowest 4 spenders are in the bottom 7 of the league.

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-09-01/manchester-city-top-the-premier-league-spending-table/
It would appear that spending big dough actually is the answer if firstly you have big dough to spend and secondly a manager who can spend it wisely.

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Worth bearing in mind that in the case of the top 2 on the list, they have achieved sudden success through being bought by extremely wealthy foreign owners. In both cases, if those owners decide to leave, the clubs would be instantly bankrupt. And if you don't think that could happen, remember the 'impossible' collapse of the banking system in 2008.
 
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