So much hatred

[Linz]

'Football isn't a matter of life and death, it's much more important than that.' - Bill Shankly.​

Well, you see Bill, I get what you're trying to say, but I don't think I can agree.

Maybe it's my generation, who missed the halcyon years of hooliganism in the 1970s. Maybe it's because I'm a girl. Or maybe it's just me. But I don't really think football is worth kicking the shite out of someone for.

In some people's eyes, maybe this makes me less passionate about my club than them. So be it. I'll happily amble around the grounds, shouting my throat hoarse, having a laugh with like-minded opposition fans and coming home with all my teeth - and let them call me less of a fan.

I've just been reading Stinky's post in THIS THREAD and it's made me think. What is it about football that makes otherwise sensible and reasonable people act like animals? You wouldn't think it was ok to go up to someone in the street and throw acid on them or kick the living shit out of them... so why in a football context do you even talk about it as though it's reasonable?! As though it's something to be proud of and to be encouraged?

I don't want to think that someone could justify beating me to death because of the team I happen to support. Yet animals on the Kop last night were apparently chanting "kill the pig" and "die, die, piggy, piggy, die". Do you even realise what you're saying?

Don't get me wrong, celebrate a Wednesday goal in the middle of the United Kop and you're inevitably asking for some kind of trouble. It was beyond stupidity on their part and no doubt they'll think twice before doing it again. But that amount of people on one bloke... you could've killed him? Would you feel proud then? Feel like a proper United fan? One of the lads? Well I for one wouldn't want to be associated with you because frankly, I think you're scum.

Likewise the fools who chose to throw bottles and coins and whatever from the Upper Tier. Not only do you risk the club you apparently love so much getting fined and worse, you're indiscriminate as to who you hit and where you hit them. It's cowardly and fucking stupid and you deserve to be lined up against a wall and have glass bottles full of piss thrown at you, see how you like it.

I know football is emotive, especially derby matches, and the so-called hooligans like to put on a big show. But don't drag innocent fans into it. Piss off out of town somewhere and beat each other senseless for all I care. At least it's between consenting adults.

I'd hate to think I or any of my mates would be subjected to the treatment some of the Wednesday fans were subjected to last night, regardless of where in the country we travelled. The only trouble I've ever been involved in was being twatted on the head by a Blade, who was trying to beat another Blade up on the tram coming back from Hillsborough this season.

I'd rather have the company of ten decent Wednesday fans than one of these people who say they're Blades yet turn on other fans or indeed their own, with little more provocation than the colour of their shirts or the words that come out of their mouths.

People are human beings long before they are football fans. Sadly I think some people forget this. From one human being to the others that happened to be in the Lower Tier last night, I apologise.

 

[The One]

Brilliant post Linz, agree with absolutely everything you said.

 

[stinkyblade]

I apologise to the innocent people that may have been struck with missiles, i have endured that myself but i couldn't care less about the idiots that decided to sit in our stands and made themsleves known. They would have done the same had our fans decided to sit with theirs in the last derby.

 

[Linz]

i couldn't care less about the idiots that decided to sit in our stands and made themsleves known. They would have done the same had our fans decided to sit with theirs in the last derby.

So it makes it right then?

 

[Sensiblade]

Thats a fantastic post and well worth praise.
The only people who should put up any knid of fight about football (and when i say fight, I mean passion and determination, not violence) are the players. They get paid to play and should show passion and fight for the clubs they play for.

Someone threw a coin or something at one of the Wednesday players when they were down near the corner of the south stand and kop, that is very wrong in my opinion.

 

[stinkyblade]

So it makes it right then?

No it doesn't, i didn't say that. But it if a Wednesday fan or a fan of any rival teams sit in the opposing end and make it known they really shouldn't be there then there will be a minority that just don't give a toss and will just set out to hurt them won't they.

It is just asking for trouble, people like DJ sat there and didn't do anything so why couldn't the others?

Surely then they are looking for trouble as they are going to expect something to happen. I know it shouldn't but sadly it does, violence overshadows football at times when it was a great game with a passionate atmosphere with a minority setting out to ruin it.

Sorry for the post i put, i know it was wrong. Unlike me in all honesty.

 

[Sheffield-Bl4de]

Totally right Linz, I don't think there was anyone solely(sp) to blame about the fight, it takes two to tango, and anyone with a small knowledge of football will know, you celebrate a goal, scored by the local RIVALS, in possibly the most passionate stand in the ground, you aint going to come out in one piece. It's well daft although to be honest, i couldn't care less what they do to eachother so long as it's far away from the ground, if they want to say it's for the club, I'd ask 'em to justify it. Wahetever happened to good ol' fashion banter?

 

[Foxy]

The thing is, its not the point whether or not they can expect violence towards them... Its the level of violence and attitude that is completely out of control.

When you have a massive outnumbering of violent people on only a handful of others, whatever their allegience/comments.... There no way on earth people should continue to deliver blow after blow to defenseless individuals. Singing "kill the pig", however tongue in cheek and masses sticking blow after blow on a persons head who cannot defend themselves is totally out of order.

Whether someone is stupid enough to sit in the home end and make themselves known is irrelevant. They don't deserve to be killed/seriously injured for their actions and their stupidity certainly isnt an excuse for that to happen.

 

[beightonblade]

Don't get me wrong, celebrate a Wednesday goal in the middle of the United Kop and you're inevitably asking for some kind of trouble. It was beyond stupidity on their part and no doubt they'll think twice before doing it again.

These pigs should have been arrested by the police/stewards and charged with inciting a riot and banned from football grounds for life........ how stupid can you get ?
The stewards and police seemed to me to be hesitant to act where as they usually act with vigour ! Did the behavior of the pig fans in 'home' parts of BDTBL cause emotions to run so high as to cause the missile/piss throwing ?.. not an excuse but perhaps a reason.

 

[Linz]

These pigs should have been arrested by the police/stewards and charged with inciting a riot and banned from football grounds for life........ how stupid can you get ?

By the same score, every single Blade who got a kick in should be charged with assault. There's idiots on both sides, I don't discount that. However, the people I've been talking to today reckoned it was Blade on Blade. Which is even more unfathomable!

It saddens me the amount of people saying that these kinds of things are inevitable in derby matches. They shouldn't be... that's my point.

 

[beightonblade]

By the same score, every single Blade who got a kick in should be charged with assault. There's idiots on both sides, I don't discount that. However, the people I've been talking to today reckoned it was Blade on Blade. Which is even more unfathomable!

It saddens me the amount of people saying that these kinds of things are inevitable in derby matches. They shouldn't be... that's my point.

LInz
The pig fans in the 'home' section of BDTBL should have been arrested BEFORE the trouble kicked off............... or at least ejected from the ground.
The sole reason for the incidents was there prescence in the 'home' section... shame on them..... a bit like waving a red rag to a bull then complaining it charged at you..... what do they expect.

 

[Linz]

LInz
The pig fans in the 'home' section of BDTBL should have been arrested BEFORE the trouble kicked off............... or at least ejected from the ground.
The sole reason for the incidents was there prescence in the 'home' section... shame on them..... a bit like waving a red rag to a bull then complaining it charged at you..... what do they expect.

Like I said before, some people sitting on the Kop have said the trouble was mainly between Blades. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. Even so... I don't know how anything can justify the mass brawl going off on that gangway. Perhaps I'm one of nature's pacifists but I had Wednesday fans sat behind me in the Directors Box. It just made it fun and games to turn round and smile when we'd scored.

Or what about the Wednesday fans sat in the lower tier doing absolutely nothing wrong? Why should their presence incite bottles of piss being thrown on to them? I don't want Bramall Lane to be somewhere away fans dread coming to for any other reason than the football. Yet Leicester, Charlton and Wednesday fans have all complained about their treatment on their visits. At Leicester, the stewards were lovely in all dealings I had with them. Charlton's stewards are amazing... allowing standing throughout the match as long as you're at the back. Like I said, the only trouble I've witnessed at Wednesday were two United fans attempting to hit each other.

I'd tell you what I'd expect if I were at a football match... protection from the Police and stewards and a little bit of common decency between fans.

 

[Foxy]

LInz
The pig fans in the 'home' section of BDTBL should have been arrested BEFORE the trouble kicked off............... or at least ejected from the ground.

That would have been preferable and should have happened if possible.

The sole reason for the incidents was there prescence in the 'home' section... shame on them..... a bit like waving a red rag to a bull then complaining it charged at you..... what do they expect.

Idiocy for doing it, but just because they can "expect" something, doesn't mean it should happen.

Whilst this is a totally different and more blatent situation.... If I told you to run me over or stab me.... I could possibly reasonably expect it to happen, but it wouldn't make it right morally or legally for you to do so.

I think that is the point being raised here.

 

[Sheffield-Bl4de]

http://www.thestar.co.uk/EditorialGallery.aspx?ArticleID=3961009&SectionID=5730

Some pictures of it, look at the second to last one with the stewerd, he looks in right shock like ''SOMEONE JUST BLOODY CRACKED ME ONE''

 

[shorehamview]

I'm not sure about hatred, after all I've got mates who are pigs. My father-in-law and several more of my wife's side of the family are pigs too. I don't hate them, but it makes for interesting banter. I hate Wednesday as a club, and revel in their various misfortunes, but I wouldn't wish harm to come to anyone just because they support a different football team to me.
It is foolish in the extreme to sit amongst the opposition fans and then cheer when your side scores though, but I don't condone kicking the shit out of somebody for it.
I sat in one of the Wendy stands a few years ago when they beat us in the Fizzy Pop Cup (2001?), because I had got a ticket from a workmate's brother who scouted for Forest., and there was the same kind of grief dished out to any Blades who identified themselves by their cheering. It doesn't make it right though.

EDIT - one pig I saw last night was that fat slobbering shite Roy Hattersley, walking past the turnstiles on Shoreham Street as I was going in. I hate that fat piggy twat with a passion.

 

[keenzy]

I hate wendy with a passion. i really do, cant stand them, but they shouldnt have been bombarded with stuff.

Most of them have been going off as though we are the only ones that do it! ive been to the sty a few times and been hit with coins and bottles. I just get on with it though as i expect it, its like being at a concert.

 

[dingledog]

We should never ever condone such behaviour, its a disgrace. Good post Linz. Probably like most people on the site we go along to have a drink at the lion, a bit of banter, and hour and half of dissapointment at the ground, and then go home. That's what football is really about.

 

[Linz]

That's what football is really about.

I thought pies were what football was all about... you mean to say all these years I've been thinking wrong? :shakehead:

 

[lawlessdan]

reading on sheffield forum other day and found a comment that i thought was spot on...

Personally I wouldn't care if they'd just do each other in and leave people who didn't want to be involved (and their property, cars, windows etc) out of it.

In fact I think each football ground should have a big caged off area where those that want to can be locked in and batter each other senseless (forgoing any right to NHS treatment should their bark prove to be no match for the other's bite) and leave everyone else out of it.

I can understand the gang, tribal mentality to some degree, against a rival crew - but what was utterly ridiculous was driving a client's car I got warned of hooligans outside a pub just kicking random passing cars becase England had been knocked out of the 02 world cup by Brazil - Hang on a minute, I'm English, not Brazilian! I'm disappointed too! Why have a go at me? So had to take a detour to avoid big babies who lost their dummies, to protect the car I was driving.

 

[Kev Gee]

great post Linz.

I suppose as with anything in life you get differing extremes & attitudes.

What is acceptable for one person isnt for the next.

What one person could view as extreme behaviour another could see as passion or pride. (Or defending Honour) as daft as it may sound.

For example your normal everyday Blades fans & then the hooligan element. Who is in the wrong? People may see hooligans as thugs, but them so called thugs may say there defending there clubs' honour. Crazy i know but hey, what isnt these days???

 

[happyhippy]

LInz
The pig fans in the 'home' section of BDTBL should have been arrested BEFORE the trouble kicked off............... or at least ejected from the ground.The sole reason for the incidents was there prescence in the 'home' section... shame on them..... a bit like waving a red rag to a bull then complaining it charged at you..... what do they expect.

Easy to say mate, but if they weren't wearing grunter colours, and had a valid ticket, how could anyone do owt?

Whichever way around, we all agree it was a disgrace.

 

[BexleyBlade]

It astounds me that the behaviour towards the innocent Wendy fans went unnoticed/unpunished and I do agree this attack was not acceptable - every club has the right to follow their team away and the mature Blades should be able to appreciate their boasting etc. when they score - after all we would do the same - the Unitedites however who failed to control themselves are simply a disgrace ... You have to put yourselves in their shoes - drenched in piss, attacked with coins, spat at - its wrong and would not be allowed in public and should not be allowed in football - It is embarassing to our club and football!

As for the incidents in our areas of the grounds - I honestly believe SUFC is not responsible and the trouble wouldnt have been avoided had we provided an extra 2000 tickets - if somebody has the intention of going into the home end and causing trouble, they are going to do so no matter how many tickets they are given - Im not saying United fans are correct in retaliating but its simple IMO that those idiot piggys were to blame - the United fans however become as stupid as the Wendy fan as soon as they get involved - I appreciate the majority of people who got mixed up with what happened would perhaps not usually involve themselves in such activities however and the treatment those snortbeasts had to endure was criminal and unacceptable - I do however not sympathise with the retards who chose to sat on the Kop as IMO it is they are to blame for their own fall

 

[keenzy]

why is everyone going on as though united are the only team in the world to do it??

the wendy fans are going off as though we only hurt innocents, anyone remember wembley 93?

wankers

 

[stinkyblade]

I agree mate, i forgot Wednesday are perfect :rollleyes:

What would have happened had we given them more tickets?

They would still have had fans in our end

It would happen at Hillsborough the other way round, they should have kept quiet, but i am not condoning it before that's what it appears to be like.

 

[beightonblade]

Easy to say mate, but if they weren't wearing grunter colours, and had a valid ticket, how could anyone do owt?

Whichever way around, we all agree it was a disgrace.

Pigs are a bit like plod............... yer can spot em a mile away.

 

[BexleyBlade]

Pigs are a bit like plod...............

And smell the bacon