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The default setting on some blades is blaming everything on mccabe, if that gives them focus to overcome disappointment thats fine , I know hes made tons of mistakes, like we all do, but it doesnt alter the reality its the fact theres no alternative investment thats the REAL problem
Theres not even a second board member Im aware of whos put in a penny

You are right BTL, I mean its not like McCabe has done much wrong is it? World cup bids, teams all over the world, selling our best players, picking poor managers, firing managers without a replacement in place, firing managers at stupid times of the season.

Only a loon would lay the blame at kevs door.
 



The default setting on some blades is blaming everything on mccabe, if that gives them focus to overcome disappointment thats fine , I know hes made tons of mistakes, like we all do, but it doesnt alter the reality its the fact theres no alternative investment thats the REAL problem
Theres not even a second board member Im aware of whos put in a penny

Although one could argue that McCabe himself created this situation by putting the Blades and assorted assets under the control of a web of companies of which he is in ultimate control. He wanted supreme control. He got it.

"It's all mine, I tell you!!!!!" is fine while the going's good as, no doubt, all those huge banks would tell you. It's only when things go tits up that they start looking around for a bale-out or someone to share their losses with.

There is no alternative investment because he didn't want any until it was too late. McBladey Blade remains the REAL problem as he has been for quite some time now. At least since the premiership season.
 
You are right BTL, I mean its not like McCabe has done much wrong is it? World cup bids, teams all over the world, selling our best players, picking poor managers, firing managers without a replacement in place, firing managers at stupid times of the season.

Only a loon would lay the blame at kevs door.

all done at the time to increase income, diversify , and lets not foget his money comes from construction , which when the recesssion hit clobbered his companies , which funded us.
We are being selfish wanting him to put united first , a natural point of view as a blade, but hes also responsible for all his construction companies welfares too,
What we can call looney decisions at the time were done with good intentions , world cup bid was to make bramall lane magnificent stadium ,a laudable idea at the time,
Yes in hindsight some managerial selections have failed, big time, but thats the way the cookie crumbles, eddie howe took bournemouth up , but burnley dont miss him at all. The fact that everything hes done good has been totally forgotten by some and only a list of the bad remains, all I want is some balance .
Have you made any mistakes bladesway , would you like to be judged on your mistakes alone like some blades are assessing mccabe,

I want him to leave now , because his hearts not in it, but i wont slaughter the guy for getting some things wrong
 
all done at the time to increase income, diversify , and lets not foget his money comes from construction , which when the recesssion hit clobbered his companies , which funded us.
We are being selfish wanting him to put united first , a natural point of view as a blade, but hes also responsible for all his construction companies welfares too,
What we can call looney decisions at the time were done with good intentions , world cup bid was to make bramall lane magnificent stadium ,a laudable idea at the time,

No, no and no again.

Please let's not forget where his money comes from. And that's property development by the way not 'construction'. The Blades were a means to an end for this. Would he have got his hands on all that prime land in the centre of Budapest of which Fradi's ground was only a small part had it not been for his Blades' connection? Or got a foot in the Chinese property market? Or even the Australian?

The pisser is that we allowed him to persuade us that the property side was to the benefit of the Blades rather than the truth which is that it was entirely the other way round. Premier League payments, TV money, Tevez cash, parachute payments, gate money...yeah, I know, all gone on Kitson's wages. Right.
 
I want him to leave now , because his hearts not in it, but i wont slaughter the guy for getting some things wrong

But in the meantime we're dropping down the leagues, we're a shrinking club, have a fraction of the playing budget even from last year, fans are starting to leave, the squad looks poor. He's got 'some things wrong' but these have ended us up in a seriously perilous position.

So, sorry Kev, whilst I appreciate there has been cash pumped in, the fact is your decision making has meant this all got wasted. You're wanting out now because it's not gone great over the last few years and your heart's not in it, but look at the mess you've left for 15,000 poor buggers having to support the club.

When he took over the club, we were top half Championship, we went up but then haemorrhaged away the advantage that gave us, based on extremely poor decision making since that moment (sick of harking back to Bryan Robson, but it started the process of setting the club back at least a decade). This has put the club in reverse and we're now a middle of the road 3rd tier side based on most of last season.

Ultimately he held the reins through all this, so you cannot blame people for pointing the finger. Now it looks like we're going to end up with a journeyman like Appleton, or someone totally unproven like Page and people are utterly fed up with the lack of direction and strategy on the playing side which he is still presiding over.
 
McCabe's problem has been the same for years, he always looked after the club, land, hotel, foreign investments etc etc but took his eye off what has happening on the pitch. He seemed to have got away with it when it all clicked and we reached the Prem but we all know what has happened since then, some of it out of his control when the market crashed, but his footballing decisions in the last 5 or 6 years have been catastrophic.

We now have a Premiership set up in the 3rd Division.
 
McCabe's problem has been the same for years, he always looked after the club, land, hotel, foreign investments etc etc but took his eye off what has happening on the pitch. He seemed to have got away with it when it all clicked and we reached the Prem but we all know what has happened since then, some of it out of his control when the market crashed, but his footballing decisions in the last 5 or 6 years have been catastrophic.

We now have a Premiership set up in the 3rd Division.

To be fair to McCabe he pretty much bankrolled us in a concerted attempt to get out of the 3rd Division at the first attempt and we only failed to do that because of an incredible plethora of bad luck:

* Our top scorer going down with 3 game to go
* His replacement sensibly signed in Feb getting injured
* the 88 points we got before Ched went down not being enough when it would have been in virtually any other season.

And so on
 
To be fair to McCabe he pretty much bankrolled us in a concerted attempt to get out of the 3rd Division at the first attempt and we only failed to do that because of an incredible plethora of bad luck:

* Our top scorer going down with 3 game to go
* His replacement sensibly signed in Feb getting injured
* the 88 points we got before Ched went down not being enough when it would have been in virtually any other season.

And so on

Agreed but we were only in the 3rd division because.....................
 
Agreed but we were only in the 3rd division because.....................

Oh indeed, but in the great list of mistakes KM has made since 2007, I think we can absolve him of responbility for 2011-12 :-)
 
McCabe's problem has been the same for years, he always looked after the club, land, hotel, foreign investments etc etc but took his eye off what has happening on the pitch. He seemed to have got away with it when it all clicked and we reached the Prem but we all know what has happened since then, some of it out of his control when the market crashed, but his footballing decisions in the last 5 or 6 years have been catastrophic.

We now have a Premiership set up in the 3rd Division.

Bloody hell Chimmers, I thought I was a harsh Judge. I think the problem many have (apart from Bigger Blades coming on and telling anyone who doesn't circle jerk from dusk till dawn at all things SUFC that they should fuck off the Meadowhall) is that McCabe WAS the perfect owner. His decisions were shrewd, his projects worked and things like the Academy, even though at the time many questioned it, no one questioned the intention and that it may well be a good thing. This continued and we were the very example of how a well run, medium sized club could make the Premiership. Even in relegation you couldn't really fault his stewardship although some of his statements and projects were starting to raise question in the sceptics (I wasn't at the time). Clubs bought in China at the expense of first team investment. Once more you could say it was entrepaneurial rather than stupid. Following relegation however is where it went madly wrong.

In 2007 it was like someone replaced the good man we knew with his crazed egomaniac brother. Suddenly we were lashing money out like water. We bought an utter failure of a manager in. Even then there were many like myself who thought "Kev knows best". McCabe knew the fianances and had run it so well he must have known what he was doing.

Turns out he had taken leave of his senses. Every decision he has made since our Premiership relegation has been nothing short of failure. He has been unlucky (as Darrens post points out) but in the main he has been stupid. World Cup Bids, spending way over our means, sacking managers to look good in front of investors. Employing increasingly dubious managers (although I don't think Wilson was his worst by any stretch).

He has gone from speculate to accumulate, to fire sale Delboy. We have had a catalogue of good players and they have all gone.

If someone as low down the scale as fans on a forum can predict failure by selling Blackman the day it happened then you have to question what the hell is going on. Its short termism on a massive scale. Had we kept Blackman, Quinn and Wilson to the seasons end we would have been promoted, its an almost certainty. So we got a couple of million off the books in wages etc by selling them but what is the cost of not going up? If McCabe is putting a million a month in to keep us alive then surely keeping those players and pumping an additional couple of hundred grand in per month is going to be rewarded with promotion and more money in the coffers next season.

His intentions are no doubt good. He isn't a wicked man in my opinion but he is being utterly stupid. He makes the same mistakes again and again and wonders why.

This is why I laugh when people like Sitwell say you have to do a certain thing or fuck off and watch Geoff Stelling in your armchair. Because if everyone did do that (and on an increasing scale they are) we would end up with no fans, no revenue and no club. So a few can sit there wisely and say "look at what you did everyone". We probably aren't heading for the Conference North, but I don't think we have bottomed out yet either. Blades fans will pull together at the match and will get behind their club, but if we feel we are being short changed then we have every right to question everything from desire of players to McCabe and the decisions he makes. We are all desperate for him to get it right, every one of us. Which is why it hurts when he keeps getting it wrong.
 
so your point of
No, no and no again.

Please let's not forget where his money comes from. And that's property development by the way not 'construction'. The Blades were a means to an end for this. Would he have got his hands on all that prime land in the centre of Budapest of which Fradi's ground was only a small part had it not been for his Blades' connection? Or got a foot in the Chinese property market? Or even the Australian?

The pisser is that we allowed him to persuade us that the property side was to the benefit of the Blades rather than the truth which is that it was entirely the other way round. Premier League payments, TV money, Tevez cash, parachute payments, gate money...yeah, I know, all gone on Kitson's wages. Right.

property development not construction , tell me how do you develop a property, you start by constructing it
prime land in budapest , have you seen property prices in hungary
chinese property market , I could buy a thousand acres of chinese land

you miss the point entirely by thinking hes got more out of usd than we have out of him

were you not here in 93 when we finished 3rd and got to both semis
who else has bought a 4 million pound player . and 3 million pound player

prior to mccabe ebrill was our only 1m pound buy

he selects a manager to get us to the play offs, he succeeded 5 times
thats all failure now is it, yes the players blew it on every occasion , but mccabe cannot be responsible for that , hes not a coach
we are still owed half the Tevez cash

parachute payment we recieved was considered inadequate by the prem theyve upped it 50 % since then it left us worse off going in the prem of that there is no doubt

the current response that every thing he ever did was for self promotion is grossly unfair, as I bet hes lost around 25 million quid on us as a minimum. and if it had lost me that much I wouldnt be there full stop
 
Bloody hell Chimmers, I thought I was a harsh Judge. I think the problem many have (apart from Bigger Blades coming on and telling anyone who doesn't circle jerk from dusk till dawn at all things SUFC that they should fuck off the Meadowhall) is that McCabe WAS the perfect owner. His decisions were shrewd, his projects worked and things like the Academy, even though at the time many questioned it, no one questioned the intention and that it may well be a good thing. This continued and we were the very example of how a well run, medium sized club could make the Premiership. Even in relegation you couldn't really fault his stewardship although some of his statements and projects were starting to raise question in the sceptics (I wasn't at the time). Clubs bought in China at the expense of first team investment. Once more you could say it was entrepaneurial rather than stupid. Following relegation however is where it went madly wrong.

In 2007 it was like someone replaced the good man we knew with his crazed egomaniac brother. Suddenly we were lashing money out like water. We bought an utter failure of a manager in. Even then there were many like myself who thought "Kev knows best". McCabe knew the fianances and had run it so well he must have known what he was doing.

Turns out he had taken leave of his senses. Every decision he has made since our Premiership relegation has been nothing short of failure. He has been unlucky (as Darrens post points out) but in the main he has been stupid. World Cup Bids, spending way over our means, sacking managers to look good in front of investors. Employing increasingly dubious managers (although I don't think Wilson was his worst by any stretch).

He has gone from speculate to accumulate, to fire sale Delboy. We have had a catalogue of good players and they have all gone.

If someone as low down the scale as fans on a forum can predict failure by selling Blackman the day it happened then you have to question what the hell is going on. Its short termism on a massive scale. Had we kept Blackman, Quinn and Wilson to the seasons end we would have been promoted, its an almost certainty. So we got a couple of million off the books in wages etc by selling them but what is the cost of not going up? If McCabe is putting a million a month in to keep us alive then surely keeping those players and pumping an additional couple of hundred grand in per month is going to be rewarded with promotion and more money in the coffers next season.

His intentions are no doubt good. He isn't a wicked man in my opinion but he is being utterly stupid. He makes the same mistakes again and again and wonders why.

This is why I laugh when people like Sitwell say you have to do a certain thing or fuck off and watch Geoff Stelling in your armchair. Because if everyone did do that (and on an increasing scale they are) we would end up with no fans, no revenue and no club. So a few can sit there wisely and say "look at what you did everyone". We probably aren't heading for the Conference North, but I don't think we have bottomed out yet either. Blades fans will pull together at the match and will get behind their club, but if we feel we are being short changed then we have every right to question everything from desire of players to McCabe and the decisions he makes. We are all desperate for him to get it right, every one of us. Which is why it hurts when he keeps getting it wrong.


So you agree then :)

McCabe took over a mess and has put the club where we are now in terms of ground, Academy etc and has undoubtedly been unlucky re his investments (obviously not alone in this one) and the season before last. Unfortunately, the good things will be overshadowed and he will be judged by most people (and to a certain extent, investors) by where we are in the League structure. As discussed, his decisions have gone a long way to put us where we are now footballing wise.
 
"It's all mine, I tell you!!!!!" is fine while the going's good as, no doubt, all those huge banks would tell you. It's only when things go tits up that they start looking around for a bale-out or someone to share their losses with.
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again timeline mistake , he said he wanted to sell when wed just finshed 3rd then 8th in the championship under Blackwell , so way ahead of where hed joined us , his lack of further investment since has made us worse off,#so he wasnt looking to bale out after things went wrong , the other way round
you rewriting history makes it look worse

Admitted some blades even then started the blame game as we had left the prem, got what they demanded got Blackwell sacked THEN it went downhill , any blades fans holding their hands up for that , not fucking likely
I suppose we can blame mccabe for buying Ched and not asking him if he liked sloppy seconds in a Rhyll hotel
 
So you agree then :)

McCabe took over a mess and has put the club where we are now in terms of ground, Academy etc and has undoubtedly been unlucky re his investments (obviously not alone in this one) and the season before last. Unfortunately, the good things will be overshadowed and he will be judged by most people (and to a certain extent, investors) by where we are in the League structure. As discussed, his decisions have gone a long way to put us where we are now footballing wise.

On the credit side one also has to add his dogged pursuit of the Tevez case when most people (me included) didn't think he had a hope in hell.
 
On the credit side one also has to add his dogged pursuit of the Tevez case when most people (me included) didn't think he had a hope in hell.


As I say, outside of the playing side of things he's not done much wrong but what good has having £5M a year from WHam done us in the last 5 years ? Step in Bryan Robson, and the succession of paid up contracts he's undoubtedly had to pay a succession of managers.
 



timeline fact
2009/10 pre season mcabe spent 5 million on transfers
finished 8th , fans start getting restless
may 2010 McCabe said he wanted out
2010 11 summer spend on transfers zero, fans demanded blackwell get elbowed
we went down

total investment problem, we dont have anyone wanting to put money in
its really that simple
 
timeline fact
2009/10 pre season mcabe spent 5 million on transfers

I seem to recall the sale of two players for ten million quid in that transfer window...so what was our net spend?
We're through the looking glass now with your posts, we really are. They're beyond parody.
 
I seem to recall the sale of two players for ten million quid in that transfer window...so what was our net spend?
We're through the looking glass now with your posts, we really are. They're beyond parody.
parody mine , yet your one way views dont

we sold them for 8 and got the money in stages
your the ones tailoring history
the trouble is most fans dont or wont understand that every year after leaving the prem our wages out stripped our income massively , not by a pound or two
26 million then 20 then 18 against incomes of 9 to 10 million left us 35 million short
why do other clubs fans that been through it understand
southampton
leeds wednesday
portsmouth forest leicester norwich , all done exactly what we have , they understand why going up to the prem , one season there is a curse

forest went from 2 champions league wins to 4 seasons in league 1
we arent the worst exponents of prem loss
 
we are still owed half the Tevez cash

No, we're not. We're owed one final payment of £6.25m at some point in June which will go straight to Santander to settle a loan we took out in 2009.

I've explained this countless times so once more won't harm:

West Ham agreed to pay United £25m in May 2009. This was recognised as £18.1m of extraordinary income in United's accounts released June 2009.

The difference between the two sums (£6.9m) is the time value of money: the idea that £1 today is worth more than £1 in a year's time: United's rate of interest was 14.5%pa (!).

Because that £18.1m was recognised in June 2009, it will not appear in any more income statements. It cannot be used to plug the trading losses.

The only place that it will show is in the cashflow and the balance sheet as a decrease in long term secured borrowings.
 
parody mine , yet your one way views dont

we sold them for 8 and got the money in stages
your the ones tailoring history
the trouble is most fans dont or wont understand that every year after leaving the prem our wages out stripped our income massively , not by a pound or two
26 million then 20 then 18 against incomes of 9 to 10 million left us 35 million short
why do other clubs fans that been through it understand
southampton
leeds wednesday
portsmouth forest leicester norwich , all done exactly what we have , they understand why going up to the prem , one season there is a curse

forest went from 2 champions league wins to 4 seasons in league 1
we arent the worst exponents of prem loss

Scuse me but I do understand, what I don't like is the fact that if someone disagrees with you its because they are stupid. Its a difference of opinion, get over it.
 
now thats bollocks , the ground had just had a new john st stand , do you think it was free , or were there payments on it . yes it was up but only just ,the bramall lane ends been cantilevered and reclad , if you go back itll be quite some lump of cash to put in all new trunstyles 20000 new seats and 21 new toilets


but of course they all mysteriously appear for free according to some
filling in one corner , its 2 actually the business centre makes most income


Ah, Ok, he's got a shiny new business center in one corner, pumping lots of cash into the club. Or somehwere else.

The club doesn't even own the ground now, whatever state it's in.

Open your eyes, for fucks sake.

UTB
 
southampton
leeds
wednesday
portsmouth
forest
leicester
norwich

all done exactly what we have
Southampton - took 2 seasons to get back - kicked on to Prem
L**ds - took 3 seasons to get back
Pigs - took 2 seasons to get back (both times)
Forest - took 3 seasons to get back
Leicester - took 1 season to get back
Norwich - took 1 season to get back - kicked on to Prem

I do know we were unlucky in 11/12, but we're seemingly only going in one direction subsequently, and if we don't get back up this season then we will not be doing exactly what that bunch of clubs have, we'll be doing a lot worse. I really hope I don't have to compare us to Pompey...
 
no I see theres 2 sides to every coin you dont see heads, only tails
again the we dont own the ground angle, its within the plc
who knows why the accountants have advised that, but again I say who would buy sufc without the ground
 
Southampton - took 2 seasons to get back - kicked on to Prem
L**ds - took 3 seasons to get back
Pigs - took 2 seasons to get back (both times)
Forest - took 3 seasons to get back
Leicester - took 1 season to get back
Norwich - took 1 season to get back - kicked on to Prem

I do know we were unlucky in 11/12, but we're seemingly only going in one direction subsequently, and if we don't get back up this season then we will not be doing exactly what that bunch of clubs have, we'll be doing a lot worse. I really hope I don't have to compare us to Pompey...
I didnt post bradford swindon ,wolves, coventry oldham and charlton and wimbledon
we could start an ex prem div 1
unlucky not to go up in 11/12 is an understatement
 
One man's unlucky is another's 'Not good enough'. We weren't competing against meaningless point totals from previous seasons. We were competing against Sheffield Wednesday and Charlton and we failed.
 
We failed to go up. Two teams got more points than us and then as is our custom we blew it in the play-offs.

Failure - the act or instance of proving unsuccessful. Which we were.
 
I know nowt but here’s my take on club sale etc.

Positives
- He’s still funding shortfalls although he is now desperate for break even (eg Blackman sale, wages reduced this season, will only appoint a cheap manager next)

- I doubt he would sell to someone unfit to run the club (ie the Portsmouth scenario). Just my opinion.

Negatives

- He’s hoping an investment partner only interested in football will turn up (their reward only comes if they can somehow drive the club to the Premier League. They might also then be able to buy the stadium etc)

- He has already prepared for this scenario by moving assets to the plc. I’ve also been doing some digging on the plc structure and found that in November 2010, they set up 3 new subsidiaries: Steel City Stadium Ltd, Steel City Arena Ltd and Steel City Ltd. None of these have ever traded and indeed were lined up for Dissolution on 4 April 2012 but the plc had the Compulsory Strike off cancelled on 7 April 2012. They must be there for some reason and is the clue not in their titles ? The letter to shareholders telling them about the asset transfer was July 2012. Now I am no expert in this area but these look like vehicles to make a commercial leasing work should KM choose to sell the Football Club. I could of course be completely wrong, it’s just my guess

- Option 2 is perhaps a billionaire with more money than sense might want to buy SUFC – dream on it won’t happen

- Meanwhile he is gradually driving the wage bill down so he doesn’t have to fund any further operational shortfall. If the next manager achieves promotion he is in a better position

- That’s why I think it is taking so long as he won’t take a huge loss on the assets

- I think another reason why investors aren’t yet ready to part with cash is the Tevez money. That is supposed to be settled in full in the next month or two. I am assuming this matches the Santander loan which will also disappear and therefore no outside interest will have a charge on the assets (my remaining worry is WHU have said final payment of £6.25M but the Santander debt appears to be £8.5M, I’m not certain they do exactly match)
 



I meant half ( VAGUELY) repaid wasnt sure on the exact figuye bot some blades, HAVE ADDED 20M TO 4 OR 5 SEASONS SINCE THE RULING SO iM NOT AS FAR OUT AS SOME
 

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