Shackelele charged with Drink Driving

[Blade56]

Hopefully he's got a decent brief

More like a bent one

 

[Blade56]

I was once told by a copper if the keys in the ignition you're in for a tough time arguing your case

Lights were on so powered up

 

[Pollingtonblade]

I know Fairbairn Ings very well. Nice nature reserve, take the kids sometimes. There is a car park, it's not the sort of place you'd randomly end up at.

for clarity I don't take the kids dogging

 

[Torrix1889]

Obviously goes without saying that if he want drink driving, well he is a bit of a bellend really isn’t he.

But, suppose he hadn’t and was in fact innocently sat in the car for whatever other various reason? The Vehicle wasn’t actually running therefore wasn’t being driven, in fact theoretically he could have had the keys in to power in up for the music whilst enjoying time with a loved one or friends at the nature reserve…

I am not making excuses for him in the slightest, however the earlier comment about how being caught in this situation can’t be argued I disagree with. Cars are media systems and the keys could have been in for that reason alone…. If the engine had been running then even if sat stationary you are bang to rights, but I don’t feel it to be a conclusive ‘collar’ on this occasion.

I suppose then I could have been done last week if that were the case. Skinfull on the Friday night I went out to scrape my sons car for him before he went to work the Saturday morning, started the car to get the blowers going whilst I hacked at the ice. No intention of driving obviously but I reckon I would have been over the limit and I suppose I was technically "in charge" of it at that particular time if the Old Bill were around!

 

[Grey Blade]

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Thought I'd check on the Harrogate dogging locations. The Fewston car park sounds promising but don't follow the instructions in that article as they'll take you in completely the wrong direction

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

I know Fairbairn Ings very well. Nice nature reserve, take the kids sometimes. There is a car park, it's not the sort of place you'd randomly end up at.

for clarity I don't take the kids dogging

Well that certainly isn't a full denial of how you know it very well...

 

[Houston_Blade]

I bet he’s in more bother with his Mrs than the coppers. Good job they didn’t look in the boot and find his ‘sex bag’.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Interesting they haven’t charged with driving, so clearly could t prove he’d driven there OPL.
That means he could try the defence of no likelihood of driving…and make up any story he wants to say he wasn’t going to drive.

It’ll be 50/50 conviction

 

[thehet]

Interesting they haven’t charged with driving, so clearly could t prove he’d driven there OPL.
That means he could try the defence of no likelihood of driving…and make up any story he wants to say he wasn’t going to drive.

It’ll be 50/50 conviction

He doesn’t need to say he was never going to drive, he’s not defending that charge.

It does make me wonder the definition of “in charge of a motor vehicle”. What if he happened to be accessing the boot, or changing a tyre?

 

[Yogi]

Who pre-drinks for a gentle stroll around a nature reserve…?

Bill Oddie’s barmy army

 

[Yoonited]

Well that explains why he went AWOL during the period where we needed him most.

What was he doing at a nature reserve over the drink drive limit?

 

[wak1889]

Well that explains why he went AWOL during the period where we needed him most.

What was he doing at a nature reserve over the drink drive limit?

Dogging

 

[B.Lade]

How many cars have an ignition these days? Surely that line of thinking must’ve been updated

Agreed. A footballer is unlikely to be driving around in anything other than a high end new car which wouldn't have an actual ignition to put keys into.

 

[BangorBlade]

Dogging?

Any proof ? Photos of the dog, poo bags, treats ect

 

[biggiesablade]

Why wouldn't you be pissed at nature reserve

 

[Rodders]

I’d have thought being intoxicated would be the last thing you’d want, if you need to perform with strangers watching.

 

[Rodley]

 

[Grizzly blade]

He doesn’t need to say he was never going to drive, he’s not defending that charge.

It does make me wonder the definition of “in charge of a motor vehicle”. What if he happened to be accessing the boot, or changing a tyre?

Nope.
He just has to convince a magistrate there was no intention or likelihood of him driving through whatever means he wishes at the material time while he remained unfit.

He will hire a barrister to argue his case well no doubt.

The fact the car is where it is, away from his home and he’s sat in it over the limit will have been looked at, and therefore can only assume there is no cctv or other evidence that can prove how recently the car had been driven to the location found so that could be called into question and then roll back looked at.
Equally there may have been some receptacle from which he could argue he had consumed alcohol at that location after arriving there.

If found in a position of being in control of the propulsion and steering of the vehicle he could be considered to be “driving”…in the same way being stationary in traffic while using a mobile phone would be enough to say they are using it while driving. But he’s in a car park/parking space which a magistrate may consider therefore not to be driving…the fact he’s been charged as “in charge” rather than driving/having driven suggests the police/CPS don’t consider the evidence of that to be compelling enough and likely to be a successful prosecution.

In charge can ultimately mean anything and its individual circs will be fully considered by the court to decide guilt, and punishment if found guilty can be the same as that of driving.
But sat in the drivers seat, engine running, lights on, indicating to drive off would take some defending even if it doesn’t move.

 

[1973Blade]

On a positive, our (alleged) criminal best eleven was missing a right back.

 

[William Large]

A possible defence would be, if his girlfriend can testify that she went for a piss in the bushes

She might have been getting double teamed in a nearby Vauxhall viva while shakelele watched and rattled one out against the passenger door before getting back in the car to warm up.

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

Well he's been utterly mediocre at best, at least now we have this 'dogged performance' to remember him by.

 

[The Hobott]

Sounds like wetlands in more ways than one

 

[Snowflake]

Agreed. A footballer is unlikely to be driving around in anything other than a high end new car which wouldn't have an actual ignition to put keys into.

Unless you are dogging and don’t want to be recognised, so drive an older second hand one ?

 

[YorkBlade]

fire him for being too small to absorb his booze

He's a great height for a man

 

[Teddybear]

my mate did similar laid on back seat sleeping it off still got banned, if he still lives in leeds job going as a driver

 

[HarryHaslam]

It’s very near his house, I’d imagine he was on the way home drunk and passed a police car so he panicked and quickly shot in the park thinking the police wouldn’t see him if they did turn around and look for him.

 

[WorkingtonBlade]

I'm not expert on matter of Dogging. But wouldn't it be a little bit cold and dark for that sort of thing on December the 20th

Makes you proud to be British.

 

[Cheesebored]

It’s very near his house, I’d imagine he was on the way home drunk and passed a police car so he panicked and quickly shot in the park thinking the police wouldn’t see him if they did turn around and look for him.

 

[robbiez666]

It’s very near his house, I’d imagine he was on the way home drunk and passed a police car so he panicked and quickly shot in the park thinking the police wouldn’t see him if they did turn around and look for him.

Just for the record, do you allow dogging in your drive?

 

[HarryHaslam]

Just for the record, do you allow dogging in your drive?

Of course