Sending off

[Boro blade]

The modern game is soft, Fleck got the ball first, people will say not controlled because both feet off the floor, but he never got the man first he got the ball, I despair with modern football, people will say unnecessary challenge , he won the ball,

What do we want for this great game , no tackles, tell you what lets, ban slide tackles , hang on let go one better lets not allow any tackles at all, lets play tag football

Modern pundits go on about how skill the modern game is, was no different years ago only difference players wanted to get stuck in and did.

 

[JohnDenver]

So theoretically, if you go in high and two footed, win the ball and kneecap an opponent in the follow through, that’s ok?

It’s a red card and we lost. Got to suck it up.

 

[Gimli]

How quickly some Blades forget that one of our players was on the receiving end of a bad tackle which has ended his season - to say that wasn't a red card is biased to the extent where it looks embarrassing.

 

[Champagneblade]

No complaints here.

Law is you cannot have both feet off the floor and he did.

He also caught the lad with his follow through. He’ll miss a few games and they are panicking because he’s important to how they play. Wish Coutts was this type of injury and he’d only miss a few.

 

[Boro blade]

So theoretically, if you go in high and two footed, win the ball and kneecap an opponent in the follow through, that’s ok?

It’s a red card and we lost. Got to suck it up.

If you win the ball you cant kneecap the other player, I'm not just on about tonight tackle can take sh@t decision from refs, i didn't think it was that bad 70's or 80's not even yellow card, its getting towards a none contact sport nowadays, everyone seems to want to watch tippy tappy football, why did other Europeans side hate playing British clubs because we got stuck in and it where successful at it

 

[Boro blade]

How quickly some Blades forget that one of our players was on the receiving end of a bad tackle which has ended his season - to say that wasn't a red card is biased to the extent where it looks embarrassing.

Modern game is embarrassing SOFT, get back up get stuck in if fouled, don't want to see players injured but its a contact sport, maybe im just an old fart who remembers when teams got stuck into each other but could still play football as well

 

[Esablade]

Maybe, butnwe’re playing a very modern game...and it’s great to watch.

 

[PokerBlade]

There were plenty of good tackles in that game and only one truly awful one. Gutted to lose Fleck but can't argue against it.

Where the game is soft is all the play acting, time wasting, players getting drawn into pushing and shoving and arms across the face, moaning at refs, bookings for every tug of the shirt. What Fleck did was hit a guy's ankle, studs first. That's how players get seriously hurt and it ended their lad's game and could keep him out for a while. There's nothing soft about banning that.

 

[Booker4]

Its the follow through with the other leg that has cost him. He does win the ball but then scythes the man down and injuries the player with his other foot. Bad tackle, they happen now and again. Fleck's let no one down for me, he knows its a bad tackle. What would we rather him do, nesh tackles?! Yes we probably would have won if he'd not made that tackle but I'd never want to take that side of his game away from him because Fleck is a proper centre mid and gives his all, tackles are a part of that.

 

[Boro blade]

Maybe, butnwe’re playing a very modern game...and it’s great to watch.

its been a good season for us not saying anything against that, I'm also on about the game in general, there no bite and people kidding themselves if they think players nowadays are head and shoulders above those that have played in years gone by. Just think I'm getting old

 

[JohnDenver]

If you win the ball you cant kneecap the other player, I'm not just on about tonight tackle can take sh@t decision from refs, i didn't think it was that bad 70's or 80's not even yellow card, its getting towards a none contact sport nowadays, everyone seems to want to watch tippy tappy football, why did other Europeans side hate playing British clubs because we got stuck in and it where successful at it

Each to their own, but I prefer the football we see today to that of years ago. Better pitches and a greater emphasis on talent makes for a better spectacle.

In terms of ruining the spectacle, I take greater exception to the likes of Norwich and Brizzle who play spoiling football than refs who enforce rules which encourage talent.

 

[PokerBlade]

Its the follow through with the other leg that has cost him. He does win the ball but then scythes the man down and injuries the player with his other foot. Bad tackle, they happen now and again. Fleck's let no one down for me, he knows its a bad tackle. What would we rather him do, nesh tackles?! Yes we probably would have won if he'd not made that tackle but I'd never want to take that side of his game away from him because Fleck is a proper centre mid and gives his all, tackles are a part of that.

I don't want to have too much of a go at Fleck either. He goes full blooded into every challenge and I wouldn't want him to change. He's been absolutely fantastic for us and one mistake, even a big one, doesn't change that.

 

[Boro blade]

There were plenty of good tackles in that game and only one truly awful one. Gutted to lose Fleck but can't argue against it.

Where the game is soft is all the play acting, time wasting, players getting drawn into pushing and shoving and arms across the face, moaning at refs, bookings for every tug of the shirt. What Fleck did was hit a guy's ankle, studs first. That's how players get seriously hurt and it ended their lad's game and could keep him out for a while. There's nothing soft about banning that.

I didn't think it was truly awful, I truly think he just went for the ball, any tackle you only think about winning the ball, a lot of times you will catch someone with follow through, I thinks that where games changes as well, look at the treatment players like Tony Currie got and just got on with it

 

[GrayBlade]

Fine margins. He must have made 100 tackles almost identical to that since he joined the club, but tonight was the night when his momentum carried him on after winning the ball and he clipped the bloke’s ankle.

Just like everything else tonight, the football gods decided that they were going to shite on us.

 

[UnitedBlade]

No complaints here.

Law is you cannot have both feet off the floor and he did.

He also caught the lad with his follow through. He’ll miss a few games and they are panicking because he’s important to how they play. Wish Coutts was this type of injury and he’d only miss a few.

The law is you can’t use excessive force. However, for a number of years the refs have had a directive to give a red card for all tackles where both feet are off the floor. That is why the ref went straight to the red card.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2092434/Two-footed-challenges-red-cards.html

 

[Hull Blade]

Its one of those, 7 out of 10 refs would have booked Fleck, 3/10 sent him off. In the good'ole days it would have been at worst a free kick and a telling off. It seems that leaving the ground nowadays is almost certainly a yellow or a red. Maybe the red was a tad harsh. But as soon as they got in the refs face he caved in and felt compelled to show the red.

 

[Esablade]

its been a good season for us not saying anything against that, I'm also on about the game in general, there no bite and people kidding themselves if they think players nowadays are head and shoulders above those that have played in years gone by. Just think I'm getting old

We’ve just come up and battered a team in third who’ve been here awhile and spent a few quid...give Wilder a bit of money and watch us go...

UTB.

 

[Harry's Game]

It’s a red card, we can’t judge by the standards of bygone days, in the current age that is a red everytime.

We now need to work out how to populate the midfield for the next three games without our two best players.

CW has to work on that, it would also be helpful if he didn’t risk a touch line ban with ill thought post match comments.

 

[SB_90]

twitter is certainly overreacting over john fleck. its a certain red card no complaints from me from what ive seen its 2 footed, studs up & in the air. if i had seen that on match of the day wouldve said absoulte no brainer. but not worse tackle in football ive seen far worse

 

[oldblade]

The modern game is soft, Fleck got the ball first, people will say not controlled because both feet off the floor, but he never got the man first he got the ball, I despair with modern football, people will say unnecessary challenge , he won the ball,

What do we want for this great game , no tackles, tell you what lets, ban slide tackles , hang on let go one better lets not allow any tackles at all, lets play tag football

Modern pundits go on about how skill the modern game is, was no different years ago only difference players wanted to get stuck in and did.

I agree with you, but the rules have changed and unfortunately what he did was a sending off offence in today's game and I think he knew that.

For what it's worth, unfortunately I think that eventually things will move towards a virtually noncontact sport. You only have to look at how things have moved in the last 50 years to see where everything's heading.

 

[Toronto Blade]

Their greasy manager has them well trained on the sneaky stuff that they get away with, whine after every incident.
The best laugh was that tall clumsy goof who after receiving a yellow for his elbow tried to shake the ref's hand.
I thought the ref was going to take the card back.
Just a greasy bunch.

 

[Harry's Game]

twitter is certainly overreacting over john fleck. its a certain red card no complaints from me from what ive seen its 2 footed, studs up & in the air. if i had seen that on match of the day wouldve said absoulte no brainer. but not worse tackle in football ive seen far worse

Correct.

 

[SwissBlade]

The modern game is soft, Fleck got the ball first, people will say not controlled because both feet off the floor, but he never got the man first he got the ball, I despair with modern football, people will say unnecessary challenge , he won the ball,

What do we want for this great game , no tackles, tell you what lets, ban slide tackles , hang on let go one better lets not allow any tackles at all, lets play tag football

Modern pundits go on about how skill the modern game is, was no different years ago only difference players wanted to get stuck in and did.

Consistency.

Their man in the first half did similar and the ref played on

 

[ForgeBlade]

High, late, eyes closed, not-looking-what-he's-doing, season-ender "tackle" = play on, no foul.

High, studs-up tackle that takes the ball first and hits the man second = straight red.

Boo hoo their man might be out for a game or 2. Our star midfielder is gone for the season. The inconsistency in refereeing at this level is fucking shocking.

 

[Sirius]

The modern game is soft, Fleck got the ball first, people will say not controlled because both feet off the floor, but he never got the man first he got the ball, I despair with modern football, people will say unnecessary challenge , he won the ball,

What do we want for this great game , no tackles, tell you what lets, ban slide tackles , hang on let go one better lets not allow any tackles at all, lets play tag football

Modern pundits go on about how skill the modern game is, was no different years ago only difference players wanted to get stuck in and did.

Have ten likes mate . We have lost the REAL football . Set of poofters

 

[GodricBlade]

The modern game is soft, Fleck got the ball first, people will say not controlled because both feet off the floor, but he never got the man first he got the ball, I despair with modern football, people will say unnecessary challenge , he won the ball,

What do we want for this great game , no tackles, tell you what lets, ban slide tackles , hang on let go one better lets not allow any tackles at all, lets play tag football

Modern pundits go on about how skill the modern game is, was no different years ago only difference players wanted to get stuck in and did.

Accepting the modern game is not as physical as it used to be - it is what it is & Fleck paid the price tonight with a hard & ultimately illegal challenge.
That being the case, he deserved to go & as others have said, swap things round & we’d have been screaming for a red card if it had happened TO Fleck. Would you?
What I “want for this great game” is just good & consistent refereeing allowing decent tackles to happen with poor & dangerous ones punished - like the one on Coutts or Baldock at Leeds.
Sadly, for me tonight Fleck’s challenge was careless & dangerous & I think his reaction suggested he knew it. Even though he got to the ball, off the ground & studs up has only 1 outcome. No complaints here.

 

[Tommoblade66]

Simple sending off, you just can't do that and just imagine if it was the other way around, people would be screaming blue murder. Have to take the medicine I'm afraid, we'll miss Fleck, let's hope he learns from it. What gets me most of all, though, is Wilder saying you can't do those tackles and then saying it wasn't a sending off, especially after saying publicly he doesn't criticise referees. I'm getting fed up of the panickers who are creeping out of the woodwork again too. Relax

 

[LS16Blade]

High, late, eyes closed, not-looking-what-he's-doing, season-ender "tackle" = play on, no foul.

High, studs-up tackle that takes the ball first and hits the man second = straight red.

Boo hoo their man might be out for a game or 2. Our star midfielder is gone for the season. The inconsistency in refereeing at this level is fucking shocking.

Quite. And the frustration with that is probably what underpins Wilder's post-match reaction.

3 weeks ago we see a bloke who looks like he spends far more time on the weights in the gym, than he does with a football at his feet, end the season for our pivotal irreplaceable playmaker. Not even a foul let alone a card.

A couple of weeks before that, we see Phillips at Leeds go straight through Baldock with a shocking tackle that the commentator on SKY says is "a red card all day long". Yellow card given.

As Wilder has said, though, our players aren't streetwise. They don't surround referees demanding decisions; they don't wave imaginary cards; they don't stay on the ground after they themselves have committed a foul in order to escape a caution; and they don't stay on the ground when they are the victim of a foul to see whether there is the chance of the referee giving a bit more than just the free-kick. These are the snide tricks that we're seeing week in week out this season (think in particular about, Norwich, Fulham, Hull, Wolves, Derby and Reading) and that lot last night were just the latest. And it must be being encouraged from the top by the managers.

The joke is that this season, whilst we've watched teams hack away at Fleck, Duffy, Coutts and Brooks every week and others, particularly Freeman and Baldock, clearly targeted for some shocking treatment, we've had a proper footballer in Coutts suspended for 5 bookings when he has barely got a tackle in him, let alone a bad one.

It's hardly surprising that Wilder is seething. 3 weeks ago, the destiny of our season was changed completely at Burton. In simple terms, with Coutts we invariably had the best player on the pitch - the one who controlled the pace and direction of the play - on our side. From what we'd seen of the league, I felt there was a very good chance that we would go up and I strongly suspect that Wilder and Knill were thinking the same. Unfortunately, the immediate destiny of an entire club was changed by that tackle at Burton.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Its the follow through with the other leg that has cost him. He does win the ball but then scythes the man down and injuries the player with his other foot. Bad tackle, they happen now and again. Fleck's let no one down for me, he knows its a bad tackle. What would we rather him do, nesh tackles?! Yes we probably would have won if he'd not made that tackle but I'd never want to take that side of his game away from him because Fleck is a proper centre mid and gives his all, tackles are a part of that.

Spot on Booker we played really well tonight and to lose was an injustice.First was unlucky as he is a competitive player who got this slightly wrong.we take the hit and move on ,we were fantastic for an hour losing Fleck cost us the game .
We must have killed a black cat as we have run out of luck just now ,we will come through stronger for it.

 

[originaltrueblade]

I argue against this sending off I have watched this many times. Got the ball first with one foot this made the city player lose balance before the trailing leg caught him. Yellow yes, Red definitely not. By the way our manager says he disagrees with the sending off.
Coutes was tackled by a much worse tackle, the assailant wasn’t even booked.