season ticket sales

[Flatulent_Bob]

Bob, may I gently suggest that the number of people buying match tickets is likely to remain as high if not higher given the big drop in season ticket sales.
I think that is probably common sense.

Brilliant Len. Fans are going to buy less season tickets but will all pay week in week out more money to watch United.

It's obvious that Len now realises what a stupid figure the 14,000 is and he's quickly covering his tracks. To claim an extra 1000 fans will go to every single home match on last season while ST fall by 4,000 is laughable.

 

[lenners]

Brilliant Len. Fans are going to buy less season tickets but will all pay week in week out more money to watch United.

It's obvious that Len now realises what a stupid figure the 14,000 is and he's quickly covering his tracks. To claim an extra 1000 fans will go to every single home match on last season while ST fall by 4,000 is laughable.

Which part of losing 5,000 season ticket holders but keeping if not increasing walk-ups is hard to understand?

 

[lenners]

So the board have played a blinder then.

Yup, losing 5,000 fans is a great achievement.
After previously creating £50m debt you can only wonder what heights of future greatness await.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Which part of losing 5,000 season ticket holders but keeping if not increasing walk-ups is hard to understand?

Well firstly it isn't keeping walk ups it would have to increase. There is no keeping if not increasing, walk ups would increase if we got 21,000 while losing 5K season ticket holders.

It's rubbish that walk ups would increase and that disgruntled fans would pay more without missing a match throughout the season.

Yup, losing 5,000 fans is a great achievement.
After previously creating £50m debt you can only wonder what heights of future greatness await.

But revenues from those would increase therefore financially given the matchday ticket hike we'd hardly be any worse off.
Plus they aren't losing 5,000 fans because you are saying 1,000 of them will pay a lot more by turning up each week regardless.

It just highlights the stupidity of your current stance that the board would cover our losses in Season ticket sales by increasing prices while making more people pay the higher figure.
7,000 fans paying the new expensive ticket prices on each home matchday would actually make us more money. It's fooking brilliant.

Nice work Len, you've really tied yourself up in knots on this one. Told you not to believe everything James Shields tells you.

 

[lenners]

Sorry Bob, but I suggest you ask someone else for help with the logic here.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

of course because yours is looking rather pathetic right about now.

Matchday ticket prices increased.

1000 Season ticket holders decide not to renew but pay the extra amount each and every matchday.

All fans who "paid on the door" last season will also continue to go in increased numbers to pay the higher prices.

Result 5K season ticket holders don't renew but average attendance drops by only 4,000.


Keep swinging Pops.

 

[Mousey]

Fucking hell, I haven't seen ducking like this since Normandy 1944!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I'm waiting for his PC will break on him again like it used to after a win all of a sudden to spring back into life when the next defeat or even draw came along.

 

[lenners]

of course because yours is looking rather pathetic right about now.

Matchday ticket prices increased.

1000 Season ticket holders decide not to renew but pay the extra amount each and every matchday.

All fans who "paid on the door" last season will also continue to go in increased numbers to pay the higher prices.

Result 5K season ticket holders don't renew but average attendance drops by only 4,000.


Keep swinging Pops.

You're on the right lines son. Keep it up and you'll get there.

 

[Trigger Blade]

You're on the right lines son. Keep it up and you'll get there.

It's very humbling, knowing that I haven't had to join on this one, and hardly an appearance from Fleety either, but it's turned into a corker and when len calls you son, you know you've got him.

All we need now is len's enforcer, Big Mart, telling us he's a good bloke (but not in a gay way) and this could be an all time classic.

 

[alcoblade]

All we need now is len's enforcer, Big Mart, telling us he's a good bloke (but not in a gay way) and this could be an all time classic.

But he wears dresses. Is there any other way?



UTB

 

[Highbury_Blade]

It's very humbling, knowing that I haven't had to join on this one, and hardly an appearance from Fleety either, but it's turned into a corker and when len calls you son, you know you've got him.

All we need now is len's enforcer, Big Mart, telling us he's a good bloke (but not in a gay way) and this could be an all time classic.

You'll be lucky. I think linz gave him his marching orders this morning.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

You're on the right lines son. Keep it up and you'll get there.

It's brilliant isn't it. I can't wait to see what Birch has in store for next close season to get the 14,000 remaining ST holders to chuck it in an pay through the nose every week.

We're going to be minted! Surely now you have admit our board know exactly what they are doing. To turn a 5K ST deficit and manage to screw extra revenue out of them is brilliant.
At the same time to increase matchday prices and again increase sales is also unbelievable.

What brilliance, what ingenuity, what businessmen, what a crock of shit you're pedling.

But he wears dresses. Is there any other way?

There's no other way, there's no other way. All that you can do is watch them play

 

[MobileBlade]

Wait till you get the let everyone in for free marketing pitch Bob. Now I remember that one ......

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Nah Len will go to ground soon enough, once the ST figures are announced.

He's return if we play badly, or if we play well and the press start reporting that other teams might be interested in our players.

Although he will be back at the end of the season if we average 21,000 claiming he was right. For that matter if we average anything upto 24,000 he will say he was right.

 

[Bramley]

>I hear all this, "Blackwell has driven me not to renew my season ticket" etc etc. I wish it would bloody drive some of you to stop posting on here!!!
well i'm not going to so suck it up mate.. ooh . .you're a bigger fan than me.. ok.. you're a 'proper' fan.. big deal!
this isn't the usa you know.. this is england..we don't blindly follow any dumb bastard just because they wear the right colours.. never have and never will.. a lot of people sacrificed their lives to make that possible..
reason for not renewing.. the football is shiiite.. but not because of that.. because hoofball is not a successful method in the long term and will not take us anywhere soon..
actually in the heat of the moment i forgot my 'actual' number one reason for not renewing.. i will not renew my season ticket while stephen quinn is anywhere near being a first team regular because i'm not contributing to HIS wages any longer.. FACT

Do something about it, get in the car park, get down to one of the Q&A sessions. I've no problem whatsoever with differing opinions contrary to belief, but it's people who bang on and on about stuff then when they have the opportunity to actually voice their concerns they are nowhere to be seen.

 

[Revolution]

I will probably regret this, but this attack on Len is unwarranted, on the basis that he never said what you are accusuing him of.

Bob, I am puzzled by your logic here:

You are saying 5K fans won't renew but all those who buy their tickets for each match will all go to every week. 6,000 turned up on the day on average last season and you are now saying this figure will increase to 7,000 to get your 21,000.

Your maths doesn't add up, ST tickets down but more people turning up to pay on the day. Waffle, waffle waffle.

The maths does add up. If 5,000 don't renew, but those 5,000 attend one home game in 5 on average instead, that will mean (assuming that the rest of the "walk up" support holds) that our walk up crowd is roughly 7,000, which with 14,000 season ticket holders equals 21,000.

the source of your misconception is here:

1000 Season ticket holders decide not to renew but pay the extra amount each and every matchday.

That's a strawman, and not what was said. Of course the same 1000 people won't start paying on the door every home game, and Len never said they would. But every home game, 1000 random people out of this 5,000 may well do so. Indeed, I would argue that it is quite likely, not least because various people who have not renewed have indicated they will go to a few games, and of course the flexiticket deal (and half season tickets, in due time) will have an impact.

 

[Grecian2000]

Cheers Rev. Saved me a lot of typing after reading the last few pages of this thread.

See post 44 by Raul. Out of his 8 known NRS, 5 will attend the first game. Add me and my step-grandson to this (to make it 7 out of 10), as I am taking him for the last time before he "joins up". I will attend way fewer games than last season but I will turn up now and again so one game (especially an opener against NW and PK) will not be a definitive guide to the seasons average crowd.

 

[LouTheBlade]

The maths does add up. If 5,000 don't renew, but those 5,000 attend one home game in 5 on average instead, that will mean (assuming that the rest of the "walk up" support holds) that our walk up crowd is roughly 7,000, which with 14,000 season ticket holders equals 21,000.

I wasnt going to get involved in this but you are ALL making assumptions. Not just you rev, you didnt even start this so excuse me a little.....but none of you have any idea what crowds we are going to average - simply because it is completely impossible to predict the buying behaviour of football supporters! There are far too many variables..........

Such as the team's form.....which will influence it

Such as changes of heart (free will).....which will influence it

Such as lack of funds.....which has probably influenced a lot of people in not renewing!

You're all making very bold assumptions based on a few figures that have been cobbled together from somewhere and aren't guaranteed to be correct. Len's original argument is completely pointless and so are the counter arguments IMO. I do think Bob's assumptions are probably the closest reflection of what we will actually see but you're using this modern survey logic where you take a sample of people and multiply that behaviour to other buying groups..........its all assumption and has no foundation!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

(assuming that the rest of the "walk up" support holds)

But why would it? Why would the more "loyal" supporters decent enough is enough while those that are maybe less committed will decide the pay higher prices and maintain their numbers? That's why the board will have played a blinder because it is totally illogical.

I'm not oblivious to the point Len is desperately clinging to that people who haven't renewed will become occasional walk ins. Now yes I agree some of these 5,000 will buy tickets on the day throughout the season but to hit a 21,000 average we are only 4,000 down on last year. Meaning at the same time there will be no drop in those less committed fans from last season who will turn up every week regardless of the price hike. But you'd need nearly half of those not renewing to attend every match to cover just 1,000 walks in's that aren't bothering.

There is no logic that every one of these season ticket holders who haven't renewed will go to every other home game. It just isn't very likely our recent trends are that unlike our cross city neighbours the majority of our fans are ST holders and we don't get as higher percentage of walk ins. To fall in with Len's logic 4,000 fans are so disenchanted with us at the minute that a minimum of 25% of them (got to be more as if ST are down so will be the walkins from last season) will pay more every single match. If you make the assumption that walkins from last season will also be down by lets say a thousand (reasonable if ST are down to 14,000) then half the none renewing ST holders will pay more to attend every single match throughout the season.

It just doesn't work out. If Len honestly believes our ST sales are as low at 14,000 then an average season attendance of 21,000 would be highly unlikely and go against all our recent trends.

 

[LouTheBlade]

There is no logic that every one of these season ticket holders who haven't renewed will go to every other home game.

Well I think that's a fairly sensible assumption as well. I agree, it doesnt make sense that non-renewals would turn up every other game and end up paying more per game. There is a reason they haven't renewed, whether it be financial or just general displeasure at the team. Regardless, it isnt going to motivate folk to turn up nearly every week and fork out more money.

What we have to remember though is that a few months, even a few games is a long time in football. All the figures and logic quoted on here are being based on the assumption that our performance trend will continue along the same path and that things will carry on as they are. For the sake of argument;

What if United were to have a storming start to the season? - Crowds will suddenly soar and the average will shoot up.

What if United have a miserable start? - Crowds will drop and take the average down.

Whatever logic is used, it cannot account for changes in buying behaviour and changes in circumstances - both of the team and supporters.

 

[Fiery Blade]

It's nothing to do with logic its about choice!
I am no lesser a Blade because I haven't bought a Season Ticket this year - I will pitch up to watch the Blades when:
a) I do not have work commitments which clash with the match
b) I do not have other family or other unavoidable commitments that prevent my attending the matches
c) When I want to!
I do not want Birch or McCabe telling me I should buy a Season Ticket because the Blades players like playing in front of 25,000 punters Those same players (or most of them) churned out dire performances last season in front of the said 24 -25000 fans
And last but not least when they get rid of that bufoon Blackwell and start playing some passionate, entertaining football!!!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

It's nothing to do with logic its about choice!
I am no lesser a Blade because I haven't bought a Season Ticket this year - I will pitch up to watch the Blades when:
a) I do not have work commitments which clash with the match
b) I do not have other family or other unavoidable commitments that prevent my attending the matches
c) When I want to!
I do not want Birch or McCabe telling me I should buy a Season Ticket because the Blades players like playing in front of 25,000 punters Those same players (or most of them) churned out dire performances last season in front of the said 24 -25000 fans
And last but not least when they get rid of that bufoon Blackwell and start playing some passionate, entertaining football!!!

No quite sure what you are taking offence to Fiery. No one is talk about lesser Blades in terms of who is a better Blade we are talking entirely about committed fans to paying to watch the matches. i.e. St holders are more committed to going every match than walk ins. It doesn't fit for all (I'm wasn't a ST holder last season but only missed one home match) but it fits the majority.
Its a totally different subject but as I've said numerous times on here, usually in reference to the singing section, you either are a Blade or you are not. There is no degrees involved it is a matter of fact, you can't be more of a Blade or less.

I will ask one questions about your post, would you go if we start playing passionate entertaining football under Blackwell?

 

[bricktop]

I will ask one questions about your post, would you go if we start playing passionate entertaining football under Blackwell?

The bottom line is that Lenners, Fiery, Mic, and Ollesandro and the rest of the sunshine gang will still find something else to whinge about, and be predicting the imminent gloom to follow.

 

[LouTheBlade]

The bottom line is that Lenners, Fiery, Mic, and Ollesandro and the rest of the sunshine gang will still find something else to whinge about, and be predicting the imminent gloom to follow.

Exaggeration..........don't forget exaggeration as well. That aspect is the most entertaining part of their posts for me

 

[Ollessendro]

The bottom line is that Lenners, Fiery, Mic, and Ollesandro and the rest of the sunshine gang will still find something else to whinge about, and be predicting the imminent gloom to follow.

Ha, ha I haven't even contributed to this thread and I'm being attacked. Sling your hook you fecking clapper!?

 

[Fiery Blade]

No quite sure what you are taking offence to Fiery. No one is talk about lesser Blades in terms of who is a better Blade we are talking entirely about committed fans to paying to watch the matches. i.e. St holders are more committed to going every match than walk ins. It doesn't fit for all (I'm wasn't a ST holder last season but only missed one home match) but it fits the majority.
Its a totally different subject but as I've said numerous times on here, usually in reference to the singing section, you either are a Blade or you are not. There is no degrees involved it is a matter of fact, you can't be more of a Blade or less.

I will ask one questions about your post, would you go if we start playing passionate entertaining football under Blackwell?

I certainly would Bob!
If the Blades turned out the stuff like v Preston Play Off SF at the Lane then I would be there like a shot!
It was fantastic :thumbup:
The trouble is that is probably the only memorable game under the Blackwell reign

 

[Fiery Blade]

The bottom line is that Lenners, Fiery, Mic, and Ollesandro and the rest of the sunshine gang will still find something else to whinge about, and be predicting the imminent gloom to follow.

Nothing wrong with being realistic Brownie
We say it as we see it - and have ditched the Rose Coloured Specs ages ago!!

 

[lenners]

I actually hope I'm wrong and we do sell more than 14,000. The indications from the poll on here suggest that figure would be about right but maybe some later sales will see us hit 15,000.
Still think 21,000 will be about right for the average whether it's 4,000, 4,250, 4,500, 4,750 or 5,000 lost season ticket holders.
A good chunk of those will attend from time to time which should help us with the walk-ups.
The only way it's likely to be significantly higher will be with a very successful season which doesn't appear to be on the cards.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I certainly would Bob!
If the Blades turned out the stuff like v Preston Play Off SF at the Lane then I would be there like a shot!
It was fantastic :thumbup:
The trouble is that is probably the only memorable game under the Blackwell reign

I would actually agree with that sentiment. We played football and should of won more comfortably which makes it frustrating when we don't do it more often.
Blackwell says there have been mitigating circumstances last season which means he really doesn't have anywhere to go this year.

Oh apologies to one and all for the grammar and spelling in the quoted post. Just re-read it, shocking.