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LondonBlade89 said:
Fredericks wanted to be Fulham's best-paid player. He turned down their contract offer and went to West Ham instead. A lot of Fulham fans were pretty annoyed. Given this is a right-back demanding to be the club's biggest earner, I can see why. A mistake to let his contract run down, sure, but you see the bind they were in.

Otherwise, I think you make it seem worse than it actually was. Cairney would have played more had he not suffered with injuries early on in the season. Odoi is a first-teamer. Mawson has replaced Ream at centre back while of course they needed to get new full backs to replace Targett and Fredericks leaving. Then in midfield, Seri, Chambers and Schurrle have replaced McDonald, Johansen and Ojo. Sessegnon and Mitro have kept their places. Cairney's competition is mostly from Kamara, who was with Fulham last year.
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So Cairney aside then. You're saying that they have replaced 1x CB, 3x CMs, 2x FBs. Their GK has been changed too, Bentinelli lost his place early in the season. So from a starting 11 that's 7 players >60% changes.
 

Regards how these players would do in the PL.......I don’t have a clue.
Remember the old classic line on the Football show the other week.

‘Chris Wilder isn’t just turning into wine, he’s turning water in to champagne”

A few years ago if someone had told me that Mark Duffy and Chris Basham we’re capable of coping at Championship level i’d have laughed. Look at them now, they are not just coping but standing out as being quality players at this level. It’s almost like a miracle.

I get the impression we could re-sign Connor Sammon, Martin Woolford and Michael Higdon
Let Chris Wilder have a few weeks coaching them explaining how they fit into our system and then they’d all do a good job in the Premier League. It’s laugable that Wilder has these Brian Clough like qualities of making players play so much better than their actual standard. Warnock could do it by making his players give 100% effort but Wilder is doing it by drastically increasing the quality of average players. It’s unbelievable Jeff.
 
mattbianco1 said:
So Cairney aside then. You're saying that they have replaced their CB, 3x CMs, 2x FBs. Their GK has been changed too. So from a starting 11 that's 7 players >60% changes.
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I hear ya. My original point was that I actually thought their signings were good. They replaced the lesser members of the first team with some very impressive signings. Doesn't disprove your main point though about making too many changes, granted!
 
Sharp to lead the team out, just like Stancliffe did, for the first match in t' PL. Even though his legs have gone, gets free prescriptions etc, so on, such like, manages to score first goal. Everybody wishing he was 10 years younger, Bill ends up scoring 12 in the season whilst we await his elusive replacement.
 
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LondonBlade89 said:
I hear ya. My original point was that I actually thought their signings were good. They replaced the lesser members of the first team with some very impressive signings. Doesn't disprove your main point though about making too many changes, granted!
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Oh yeah totally.I thought they had strengthened well. They've just not carried any momentum through with them
 
Just imagine IF in a few years time we are in the prem playing the same system but with better players in every position? FFS :D

Imagine if Liverpool mastered our tactics and style using their own players. They would be unstoppable :eek:

:p:p:p
 
benn5712 said:
Sharp to lead the team out, just like Stancliffe did, for the first match jn t' PL. Even though his legs have gone, gets free prescriptions etc, so on, such like, manages to score first goal. Everybody wishing he was 10 years younger, Bill ends up scoring 12 in the season whilst we await his elusive replacement.
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I was convinced that Billy was on his last legs at Championship level. What do I know?
Logic says Billy has no chance at PL level.....but let’s not forget that Wilder is capable of miracles. Anything could happen.
 
makblade said:
Imagine if Liverpool mastered our tactics and style using their own players. They would be unstoppable :eek:

:p:p:p
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Even the student of football and master tactician Bielsa admitted that he’s watched us play and finds Wilders tactics fascinating. Who’d have ever thought it?.....Veteran manager Bielsa being educated regards football tactics by Wilder.

Makes you wonder where it will all end but he’s the most impressive playing style turnaround I’ve seen at BL since when Howard Kendall joined us in the 90’s.
 
Fuck knows. Let's enjoy the current run with this squad and see where we end up.

There's always the chance this is the peak of our season. Who'd have thought the second half of last year would end up as attritional as it did?

Personally, I'm going to try and enjoy every game like it's a cup final. Hopefully onwards and upwards but I'll worry about next season in August :)
 
Sheffsteel said:
I was convinced that Billy was on his last legs at Championship level. What do I know?
Logic says Billy has no chance at PL level.....but let’s not forget that Wilder is capable of miracles. Anything could happen.
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I’m not just saying it because he’s scoring but Billy is no doubt playing the best football in his career to date. His link up play with Didsy and Duffy is very very good, there’s no reason why he couldn’t play a part in our team if we had a stint in the Premier league anytime soon.
 
We would need, 2 keepers, 2 midfielders, 1 striker, a new Duffy, LWB + RWB, and 1 or 2 defenders.
 
LondonBlade89 said:
...who are you keeping in the starting team, who's staying for squad depth and who would you let depart if an offer comes in?

Let's presume the formation stays as it is. And no, this isn't me getting ahead of myself, I just thought it might make for an interesting debate.
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Admire your optimism but a premature in my opinion
 

Admire the opening poster for putting it on but......

It’s like a post one of them S6 clowns would write after they’ve won a couple of games.
 
Hodgesleftpeg said:
Admire the opening poster for putting it on but......

It’s like a post one of them S6 clowns would write after they’ve won a couple of games.
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It's half-way through the season and we're third in the league, two points off the automatic spots. It's not exactly ridiculous optimism. It's a quiet day at work and I thought it made for an interesting topic of conversation. But ta for putting me in a box with "one of them S6 clowns".
 
LondonBlade89 said:
It's half-way through the season and we're third in the league, two points off the automatic spots. It's not exactly ridiculous optimism. It's a quiet day at work and I thought it made for an interesting topic of conversation. But ta for putting me in a box with "one of them S6 clowns".
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They’d need a lot of masks and a huge box for all them daft twats. :)
 
It's about our ability to replace also.

Out of the usual lineup:

Goalies:

Henderson - Could perform okay at PL level, but would be a busy chap

Moore - I don't think he will cut it at PL level

We will need a credible second choice keeper, or a better, older, more experienced first choice with Hendo vying for his place.

Defence:

Stevens - Would struggle. PL defences would negate this advances and he'd be forced to defend deep. I couldn't imagine him having a happy 90 minutes with the likes of Salah running him ragged. We'd need to replace and that would be expensive.

Basham - A real revelation in the Championship. But can you see his advances getting past the Man United or Man City midfield? Do you think he has the dexterity to defend against even the lesser teams such as Palace, Burnley or Cardiff? He'd be a good squad player.

Egan - Yes. I think he'd have to have a decent pairing to work with and cut out errors and ricks such as the Leeds game one though

O'Connell - I think he is the least mobile of our central three and PL attacks would focus on that as a weakness. I think he is capable, but would have to warm the bench a few times. Again, more of a squad player, because I think the speed of passing and tendency for PL teams to overload certain areas of the pitch might show his vulnerability. Imagine him facing Firmino (agile, skilful and damned quick) or Lukaku (agile, quick for his size and doesn't give an inch)

Baldock - Nope. He is possibly at his level in the Championship.

Freeman - Again, seems to have peaked, rather disappointingly. He's not consistent enough for the next level and I don't think again, like Stevens, he'd get much chance to get forward and would be turned very easily by quick wingers. At the moment not many wingers get past our 'five', wherever it plays either as a 5-3-2 or a 3-5-2. In the PL it is an entirely different story.

We'd need at least one PL-ready Centre Back and two, maybe three quick, intelligent Wing Backs. That said, I wouldn't expect Wilder to pursue his current 'three-at-the-back'/'centrebacks-support-the-attack' tactics at first if at all if we went up. WIth the current squad, possession would be quickly lost and better teams up there will go straight on the counter, which will seriously cost us.

Midfield:

Fleck - Would possibly feature, but given the first part of this season has seen him seriously off the boil, would you think he'd even get the time on the ball against PL teams? I think he'll be a squad player more than a starter. We need far more craft and consistency from his position against tactically better teams. Needs replacing

Norwood - Deserves a place but again, needs to very much choose when he turns on the fancy stuff, because he won't get away with it upstairs quite so much as he does now. He's a talent and very possibly a PL regular, but he'll also need clever player round him to read his game and be available in space, or he'll end up running round in circles in the middle of the park.

Coutts - Jury is still out with him. Up until Nov 2017 he was developing - at last - into that talismanic entity we haven't had in midfield since Michael Brown. Since his return I think CW is struggling to find him a role again and he's finding it difficult to reestablish himself. Either way, he is well worth hanging on to

Lundstram - Nope

Duffy - I don't think - regretfully - he has it in him. We saw what a former PL player like Huddlestone can do to him the other day. If he is up against Matic of Fellaini, for example, he might as well sit in the stands

We will definitely need two new midfielders, and of those, both will have to have had PL experience. It's the area which gives me the fear the most at Utd. If we can't get a foothold in that area, we'll be overrun and not even get the ball out of our half

Forwards:

Sharp - Nope. The bloke is a Blades legend and he is simply ace, but PL defences would either be too quick or too clever for him. Played next season he'd struggle to get five goals.

McGoldrick - Not even close

Clarke - Nope

This is the place where we would need the entire selection changed. None of them have the capability to dent PL defences and I think even the likes of Fulham and Huddersfield would have an easy game against any of them, simply because they aren't quick enough or the supply to them isn't really good enough. None of them are Lambert or Murray, because none of them have the consistency of supply or the conversion capability per chances made.

So that is:

Another keeper - £1-2m
Two wingbacks and a Centreback - £25m
Two Midfielders (at least) - £35m
An entire front three - £50m

All of that - £100m plus - at knock down prices, just to survive.

Anyone see McCabe or HRH stumping up with that? Me neither. They haven't got the cash. Dream on.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
It's about our ability to replace also.

Out of the usual lineup:

Goalies:

Henderson - Could perform okay at PL level, but would be a busy chap

Moore - I don't think he will cut it at PL level

We will need a credible second choice keeper, or a better, older, more experienced first choice with Hendo vying for his place.

Defence:

Stevens - Would struggle. PL defences would negate this advances and he'd be forced to defend deep. I couldn't imagine him having a happy 90 minutes with the likes of Salah running him ragged. We'd need to replace and that would be expensive.

Basham - A real revelation in the Championship. But can you see his advances getting past the Man United or Man City midfield? Do you think he has the dexterity to defend against even the lesser teams such as Palace, Burnley or Cardiff? He'd be a good squad player.

Egan - Yes. I think he'd have to have a decent pairing to work with and cut out errors and ricks such as the Leeds game one though

O'Connell - I think he is the least mobile of our central three and PL attacks would focus on that as a weakness. I think he is capable, but would have to warm the bench a few times. Again, more of a squad player, because I think the speed of passing and tendency for PL teams to overload certain areas of the pitch might show his vulnerability. Imagine him facing Firmino (agile, skilful and damned quick) or Lukaku (agile, quick for his size and doesn't give an inch)

Baldock - Nope. He is possibly at his level in the Championship.

Freeman - Again, seems to have peaked, rather disappointingly. He's not consistent enough for the next level and I don't think again, like Stevens, he'd get much chance to get forward and would be turned very easily by quick wingers. At the moment not many wingers get past our 'five', wherever it plays either as a 5-3-2 or a 3-5-2. In the PL it is an entirely different story.

We'd need at least one PL-ready Centre Back and two, maybe three quick, intelligent Wing Backs. That said, I wouldn't expect Wilder to pursue his current 'three-at-the-back'/'centrebacks-support-the-attack' tactics at first if at all if we went up. WIth the current squad, possession would be quickly lost and better teams up there will go straight on the counter, which will seriously cost us.

Midfield:

Fleck - Would possibly feature, but given the first part of this season has seen him seriously off the boil, would you think he'd even get the time on the ball against PL teams? I think he'll be a squad player more than a starter. We need far more craft and consistency from his position against tactically better teams. Needs replacing

Norwood - Deserves a place but again, needs to very much choose when he turns on the fancy stuff, because he won't get away with it upstairs quite so much as he does now. He's a talent and very possibly a PL regular, but he'll also need clever player round him to read his game and be available in space, or he'll end up running round in circles in the middle of the park.

Coutts - Jury is still out with him. Up until Nov 2017 he was developing - at last - into that talismanic entity we haven't had in midfield since Michael Brown. Since his return I think CW is struggling to find him a role again and he's finding it difficult to reestablish himself. Either way, he is well worth hanging on to

Lundstram - Nope

Duffy - I don't think - regretfully - he has it in him. We saw what a former PL player like Huddlestone can do to him the other day. If he is up against Matic of Fellaini, for example, he might as well sit in the stands

We will definitely need two new midfielders, and of those, both will have to have had PL experience. It's the area which gives me the fear the most at Utd. If we can't get a foothold in that area, we'll be overrun and not even get the ball out of our half

Forwards:

Sharp - Nope. The bloke is a Blades legend and he is simply ace, but PL defences would either be too quick or too clever for him. Played next season he'd struggle to get five goals.

McGoldrick - Not even close

Clarke - Nope

This is the place where we would need the entire selection changed. None of them have the capability to dent PL defences and I think even the likes of Fulham and Huddersfield would have an easy game against any of them, simply because they aren't quick enough or the supply to them isn't really good enough. None of them are Lambert or Murray, because none of them have the consistency of supply or the conversion capability per chances made.

So that is:

Another keeper - £1-2m
Two wingbacks and a Centreback - £25m
Two Midfielders (at least) - £35m
An entire front three - £50m

All of that - £100m plus - at knock down prices, just to survive.

Anyone see McCabe or HRH stumping up with that? Me neither. They haven't got the cash. Dream on.

pommpey
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Guess we'll all be praying we don't get promoted then? ;)
 
pommpey said:
It's about our ability to replace also.

Out of the usual lineup:

Goalies:

Henderson - Could perform okay at PL level, but would be a busy chap

Moore - I don't think he will cut it at PL level

We will need a credible second choice keeper, or a better, older, more experienced first choice with Hendo vying for his place.

Defence:

Stevens - Would struggle. PL defences would negate this advances and he'd be forced to defend deep. I couldn't imagine him having a happy 90 minutes with the likes of Salah running him ragged. We'd need to replace and that would be expensive.

Basham - A real revelation in the Championship. But can you see his advances getting past the Man United or Man City midfield? Do you think he has the dexterity to defend against even the lesser teams such as Palace, Burnley or Cardiff? He'd be a good squad player.

Egan - Yes. I think he'd have to have a decent pairing to work with and cut out errors and ricks such as the Leeds game one though

O'Connell - I think he is the least mobile of our central three and PL attacks would focus on that as a weakness. I think he is capable, but would have to warm the bench a few times. Again, more of a squad player, because I think the speed of passing and tendency for PL teams to overload certain areas of the pitch might show his vulnerability. Imagine him facing Firmino (agile, skilful and damned quick) or Lukaku (agile, quick for his size and doesn't give an inch)

Baldock - Nope. He is possibly at his level in the Championship.

Freeman - Again, seems to have peaked, rather disappointingly. He's not consistent enough for the next level and I don't think again, like Stevens, he'd get much chance to get forward and would be turned very easily by quick wingers. At the moment not many wingers get past our 'five', wherever it plays either as a 5-3-2 or a 3-5-2. In the PL it is an entirely different story.

We'd need at least one PL-ready Centre Back and two, maybe three quick, intelligent Wing Backs. That said, I wouldn't expect Wilder to pursue his current 'three-at-the-back'/'centrebacks-support-the-attack' tactics at first if at all if we went up. WIth the current squad, possession would be quickly lost and better teams up there will go straight on the counter, which will seriously cost us.

Midfield:

Fleck - Would possibly feature, but given the first part of this season has seen him seriously off the boil, would you think he'd even get the time on the ball against PL teams? I think he'll be a squad player more than a starter. We need far more craft and consistency from his position against tactically better teams. Needs replacing

Norwood - Deserves a place but again, needs to very much choose when he turns on the fancy stuff, because he won't get away with it upstairs quite so much as he does now. He's a talent and very possibly a PL regular, but he'll also need clever player round him to read his game and be available in space, or he'll end up running round in circles in the middle of the park.

Coutts - Jury is still out with him. Up until Nov 2017 he was developing - at last - into that talismanic entity we haven't had in midfield since Michael Brown. Since his return I think CW is struggling to find him a role again and he's finding it difficult to reestablish himself. Either way, he is well worth hanging on to

Lundstram - Nope

Duffy - I don't think - regretfully - he has it in him. We saw what a former PL player like Huddlestone can do to him the other day. If he is up against Matic of Fellaini, for example, he might as well sit in the stands

We will definitely need two new midfielders, and of those, both will have to have had PL experience. It's the area which gives me the fear the most at Utd. If we can't get a foothold in that area, we'll be overrun and not even get the ball out of our half

Forwards:

Sharp - Nope. The bloke is a Blades legend and he is simply ace, but PL defences would either be too quick or too clever for him. Played next season he'd struggle to get five goals.

McGoldrick - Not even close

Clarke - Nope

This is the place where we would need the entire selection changed. None of them have the capability to dent PL defences and I think even the likes of Fulham and Huddersfield would have an easy game against any of them, simply because they aren't quick enough or the supply to them isn't really good enough. None of them are Lambert or Murray, because none of them have the consistency of supply or the conversion capability per chances made.

So that is:

Another keeper - £1-2m
Two wingbacks and a Centreback - £25m
Two Midfielders (at least) - £35m
An entire front three - £50m

All of that - £100m plus - at knock down prices, just to survive.

Anyone see McCabe or HRH stumping up with that? Me neither. They haven't got the cash. Dream on.

pommpey
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Fucking hell pommps, that’s one shite team we’ve got? :eek::confused::oops:o_O:rolleyes::)
 
pommpey said:
O'Connell - I think he is the least mobile of our central three and PL attacks would focus on that as a weakness. I think he is capable, but would have to warm the bench a few times. Again, more of a squad player, because I think the speed of passing and tendency for PL teams to overload certain areas of the pitch might show his vulnerability. Imagine him facing Firmino (agile, skilful and damned quick) or Lukaku (agile, quick for his size and doesn't give an inch)
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Less mobile than 'Lead boots' Maguire?
 
Har Sole said:
The team are doing a stonking job. It's crazy have a discussion like this now.
Anyhow I think there's a lot to be said for the Championship. Must be one of the best leagues in the world.
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I said this the last time we were in it, it’s great for entertainment and I’d rather watch a championship game on tv over a Premier league game all day long.
 
LondonBlade89 said:
But ta for putting me in a box with "one of them S6 clowns".
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Have to be the biggest of big tops ne'er mind a box to fit them lot.

Regards
Charlie, Coco and the Flying Elephant Girl.
 

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