Sander Berge

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Never seems to travel any faster than a light jog. Doesn’t impact the game in defence or attack. Was disappointed Luke Freeman didn’t start today. We really missed Fleck collecting a pass and driving forward with the ball at his feet
 
It's a bit sad that fans can't be critical of a player - even one who cost £22m.

It really is quite simple - Lunny, Norwood and Fleck easily pick themselves at present so Berge won't get a look in except for injuries or as a 2nd half substitute- and that is sad for the amount we invested in him.

Some say give him time - what is really sad for me is that he still seems way behind others even with a 3 month period where I would have hoped he would have got much fitter - it seems not.

He isn't going to get in the team playing like that so something HAS to change going forward with Berge.

As a team we didn't miss JOC as Villa were dire and Robinson did ok. We really missed Fleck and what he brings and Lunny was ineffective on the left.

Our strength is our midfield and we didn't win because the midfield suffered with the changes and made both Bill and McB look poor up top.

The game went just as the first Bundesliga games went and tbf City v Arsenal isn't much better up to half time.

Villa are rubbish and haven't worked out anything during the 3 month layoff to make them better.

Relegated for me: Norwich, Villa and Brighton.

UTB
 
Some of you lot on here,good god,what moaning bitches you are. Over 3 months not training properly,no sharpness training,no togetherness over lockdown,no crowd stimulation and you expect an immediate continuation of the previous 6 months,unbelievable. As for singling out players,have a good look at yourselves. I trust Wilder a lot more than your snide imbecile comments that you spew out.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
It's the lack of determination that worries me most. Doesn't seem to want it, or to compete or put himself about.

It's OK to lack match fitness, sharpness or whatever but I thought he'd have shown stronger character. He seems a bit daunted by everything. Even when he receives the ball, he looks to get rid of it, safely, as quickly as possible.

He doesn't move off the ball, Baldock looked really frustrated by this in the 2nd half. He doesn't make himself available, or make a purposeful run to drag a defender away to create space. He just stands there.

There was a couple of occasions when the ball went up in the air & he was really nesh challenging for it. He's a unit at 6'4, he should be making it his.

Maybe our system isn't suited to him. I don't know. But it isn't working.

Wilder's not daft, he'll see what we're seeing. I don't expect him to be in the XI again next match.
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I disagree with the majority of this but the only bit I can tangibly dispute is the aerial challenge bit; he made at least 2 key clearances with his head from defensive positions where Villa may otherwise have scored.

He isn't nesh.
 
Fulwood Blade said:
It's a bit sad that fans can't be critical of a player - even one who cost £22m.

It really is quite simple - Lunny, Norwood and Fleck easily pick themselves at present so Berge won't get a look in except for injuries or as a 2nd half substitute- and that is sad for the amount we invested in him.

Some say give him time - what is really sad for me is that he still seems way behind others even with a 3 month period where I would have hoped he would have got much fitter - it seems not.

He isn't going to get in the team playing like that so something HAS to change going forward with Berge.

As a team we didn't miss JOC as Villa were dire and Robinson did ok. We really missed Fleck and what he brings and Lunny was ineffective on the left.

Our strength is our midfield and we didn't win because the midfield suffered with the changes and made both Bill and McB look poor up top.

The game went just as the first Bundesliga games went and tbf City v Arsenal isn't much better up to half time.

Villa are rubbish and haven't worked out anything during the 3 month layoff to make them better.

Relegated for me: Norwich, Villa and Brighton.

UTB
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He’s not unfit. Fitness was never his issue, fitting in with the team and the style of play is and was. That’s going to get no better with 3 months of no football is it? Think about it. The sharpness of the whole team was lacking hugely today.
 
Fulwood Blade said:
It's a bit sad that fans can't be critical of a player - even one who cost £22m.

It really is quite simple - Lunny, Norwood and Fleck easily pick themselves at present so Berge won't get a look in except for injuries or as a 2nd half substitute- and that is sad for the amount we invested in him.

Some say give him time - what is really sad for me is that he still seems way behind others even with a 3 month period where I would have hoped he would have got much fitter - it seems not.

He isn't going to get in the team playing like that so something HAS to change going forward with Berge.

As a team we didn't miss JOC as Villa were dire and Robinson did ok. We really missed Fleck and what he brings and Lunny was ineffective on the left.

Our strength is our midfield and we didn't win because the midfield suffered with the changes and made both Bill and McB look poor up top.

The game went just as the first Bundesliga games went and tbf City v Arsenal isn't much better up to half time.

Villa are rubbish and haven't worked out anything during the 3 month layoff to make them better.

Relegated for me: Norwich, Villa and Brighton.

UTB
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I agree with the second part of your post, but the first is very questionable at the least. Find me 1 footballer who will be fitter after this 3 months break, I guarantee you will not find 1 and to suggest that berge should be is quite frankly ludicrous.
 
Instead of slagging off your personal scapegoat, try thinking the other way round and who played well.

In my mind Henderson, Robinson and Freeman are the only ones who can be happy with their performances. Henderson’s rock solid wrist wasn’t spectacular, but would have carried on into the net off almost all keepers.

I find comments like Berge doesn’t fit our system quite funny - when we didn’t really play our system tonight! Berge was poor - but his defence from corners was valuable - Norwood was no better and played the worst pass of the game that could easily have led to us conceding.

We badly missed JOC and Fleck. One shot on target and I can’t remember it - oh yes McB’s gentle header into Nyland’s hands.

I just hope their stollen point relegates Wet Sham.
 
HOT CURRIE 10 said:
Some of you lot on here,good god,what moaning bitches you are. Over 3 months not training properly,no sharpness training,no togetherness over lockdown,no crowd stimulation and you expect an immediate continuation of the previous 6 months,unbelievable. As for singling out players,have a good look at yourselves. I trust Wilder a lot more than your snide imbecile comments that you spew out.
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The Berge issue was there before lockdown. Nothing against the player, it's more a question of his adaptability into our setup, which is at present, unsatisfactory.
 
I still think in his defence:

  • we play a unique system that can’t be easy to pick up immediately
  • he came in and lived in a hotel before finding a flat, probably had no time to move properly until the winter break
  • comes back from the break and he’s in a new place with access to nobody for 3 months
  • He’s playing out of position

don’t want to make excuses for him but I still think he’ll come good.
 
Is it even a new signing if we don’t slag him off for weeks on the internet instead of getting behind him and supporting him?

Kids one of the highest rated young midfielders in the world whom wilder and his team scouted and watched extensively before deciding to buy him.

I trust wilder and his teams judgement over forum experts all day long.

Some of our best players in recent years have been slated on various forums only to become fans favourites. We never learn.
 
I think part of the problem is that I am not sure what role he has been bought to fill? He also seems to lack a bit of confidence. But he needs more time.

As for McB, as I have said b4 if you look at all the big money striker buys, no one has done anything of any significance, not
Joleinton
Haller
Wesley
Pepe
Maupay
Who I think all but Maupay cost more than McB.

Being a striker in the PL is v difficult, even more so with no service, which he seems to suffer from quite often.
 
I still think he needs more time. That said Freeman should have started instead of him today.
 
I think you'll find few are criticising the player, but more that he is greatly lacking in adapting to our current system. The question remains, who will have to adapt, Sheffield United or Sander Berge?

- Would Mark Duffy as CAM have fitted into our Warnock days?...etc. There's truth in us playing a really unique system, but sometimes things don't work out.
 

There appears to be a reason Chrissy plays him and is even willing to sacrifice people for him. I would never swap Lunny from left to right just accommodate Berge but I don’t pick the team. The kid clearly has class as every scout in Europe has watched him. Next year for me is his time to shine and bench at best once Fleck is back. I think tonight was what I was expecting to be honest. ( put the goal to one side) We created little to nothing but we should be one step ahead of Newcastle. It’s in our hands and if we can’t get a result there then so be it. Not a night for slagging anyone off. Well on the pitch anyway.
 
He's a bit of Matic, Busquets or Carrick type who's not fully up to speed with PL football. Remember watching Gérard Pique playing for Man U and he looked a weak and easily bullied defender, didn't do too bad after moving to Barcelona.
 
Berge did a fine job defensively, lot of running off the ball defending back, first half he ran second most on the pitch. Probably a surprise but still a fact. His offensive contribution has room for improvement no doubt, but he and Lunny both have heavy defensive duties not so obious to spot when your eyes are more or less always following the ball.
 
Since we've gone up we really have got the forum police on the go telling us we're not allowed to criticise someone who gets paid per week what I get paid per year.

No one is saying he's not a good player
No one is saying he's not playing out of position

What quite a few are saying is that he doesn't seem to be showing any desire. I'm not criticising his fitness, although it should be better. I'm criticising his determination and desire to win a tackle or get to a ball. Which seems non-existent at the moment.

Besic has had significantly less opportunities and has done significantly better.
 
But if only McB would head it to the side of the keeper, he seems to always head for the centre of the goal.
 
Sithblade said:
He's a bit of Matic, Busquets or Carrick type who's not fully up to speed with PL football. Remember watching Gérard Pique playing for Man U and he looked a weak and easily bullied defender, didn't do too bad after moving to Barcelona.
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Agree 100%

That said Norwood has to adapt to a box to box role or Sander sits on the bench.
 
robbiez666 said:
Since we've gone up we really have got the forum police on the go telling us we're not allowed to criticise someone who gets paid per week what I get paid per year.

No one is saying he's not a good player
No one is saying he's not playing out of position

What quite a few are saying is that he doesn't seem to be showing any desire. I'm not criticising his fitness, although it should be better. I'm criticising his determination and desire to win a tackle or get to a ball. Which seems non-existent at the moment.

Besic has had significantly less opportunities and has done significantly better.
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I think the fact besic has been in English football for 6+ years works in his favour though?
 
Thought all of our midfielders were poor going forward today. Wing backs also just seem to hit a lot of hopeful punts forward too. Villa seemed to do a good job of stopping us from playing out from the back. We missed fleck badly.
 
Luke1993 said:
I think the fact besic has been in English football for 6+ years works in his favour though?
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Given he didn't even warrant a place on the bench, it clearly doesn't.

Presumably we want to win? You play your best team. Not a player who appears to be going through the motions. Before the break he was starting ahead of a player who is wrapped up in contract issues yet still puts about 50% more effort in.

It will take him a while to get up to speed. Doesn't mean he can's run or tackle or move or mark etc. Robinson hasn't played but put so much more effort in.

I think he'll be a quality player but it's the attitude which doesn't fill me with confidence.
 
I think Berge will come good. He didn't play badly tonight in my view, he seems to be keeping it safe by in large and when he plays more and gets used to the system and the PL I think we'll see a more expansive Berge. I still think in the longer term his best position may be replacing Bash. Lets give him time and get behind him. I'm pleased in that respect that we're playing behind closed doors because there could be a few groans towards Berge if he doesn't hit the ground running this season. I think he'll prove to be a decent player.

As for McBurnie, he did ok tonight, similar to Billy, I'd say McBurnie was the better of the two but service was lacking and that was just the type of game it was. Overall McBurnie is a handful and I think has shown why we paid big money for him. I think ideally he'd be best with pace alongside him, but Billy is playing so well of late to be fair and deserves his place for sure.
 
derekacorah said:
I still think in his defence:

  • we play a unique system that can’t be easy to pick up immediately
  • he came in and lived in a hotel before finding a flat, probably had no time to move properly until the winter break
  • comes back from the break and he’s in a new place with access to nobody for 3 months
  • He’s playing out of position

don’t want to make excuses for him but I still think he’ll come good.
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Wonder where he's living now? Maybe he's got the hotel all to himself now, or moved to the Novotel?! 😆
 
From the pig end said:
Anyone slagging Berge off has zero patience.
Anyone slagging McBurnie off still is a moron.
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not slagging Berge off ..did you read the post ..at all ...just he’s ain’t gonna be this superstar some idiots on here made out because of the price tag ....

try the part where I say we can judge in January ..after another pre season and time to adapt ..just in my opinion he ain’t gonna be the superstar a lot said he was going to Be ..based on some internet reports ....

the lads trying and he is bound to improve ..not to elite elite level ..I don’t think

mcburnie is poor ( at this level ) .......there is no getting away from that ...nothing to do with tonight ..he had zero service ..but he still got bullied off the ball easily ..tbh I thought that was supposed to be one of his main assets .....his game awareness has not improved at this level ...if people can’t see that well ..there’s no hope for them ..
 

I like mcburnie he’s a decent player but we need strikerssss

mcburnie - Alright won’t score loads
Mousse- Good when he can be arsed
Sharp - Legend but 34
Mcgoldrick - Legend but 32
Zicharivic- If he cant get on when theres 5 subs what’s the point

We need strikers in the summer strikers who can score
 
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