Incoming? Sam Morsy

[Toronto Blade]

What?! How's that even possible???

Cross dresser?

 

[Barney]

strength and physicality which Morsy provides

Really? He might for his size but there's only so much strength and physicality someone 5ft 8 can have when it comes to midfield battles with 6ft 1, 2 and 3 players.

 

[maxstertheblade]

Where does Marsh say this

Time's running out

 

[Barney]

Where does Marsh say this

Page 51, you liked it ffs.

 

[Stretch]

Really? He might for his size but there's only so much strength and physicality someone 5ft 8 can have when it comes to midfield battles with 6ft 1, 2 and 3 players.

Compensated by a lower centre of gravity when the ball is on the ground.The height equals strength argument only really holds water when the ball is in the air and even then it's a limited one. I am 6ft and have been out jumped by shorter stockier players in my time. It depends on overall body strength.

 

[maxstertheblade]

Page 51, you liked it ffs.

Yes I thought he posted a new one since yesterday!

 

[Barney]

Yes I thought he posted a new one since yesterday!

Fair enough, then after that one he said either today or tomorrow.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Compensated by a lower centre of gravity when the ball is on the ground.The height equals strength argument only really holds water when the ball is in the air and even then it's a limited one. I am 6ft and have been out jumped by shorter stockier players in my time. It depends on overall body strength.

Completely correct. The best example of a player not possessed of great height but who could out-jump conventional centre-halves I ever saw was Denis Law. Superb in all aspects of his game, Law had a spring in his step that you couldn't coach.

 

[Blade56]

That's it stand down lads, it's too late to sign him now! I don't know why we do it, but we always seem to sign players at the back end of the week giving them no time to train with the squad before matchday.

We should wait till next Monday to sign him now, let him watch the Southend game and then he'll be fully integrated for the Millwall game and with a added bonus of saving 3 days wages.

What make you think he didn't sign today? marsh blade said today or tomorra, after that he's forum fodder and we'll chuck him in the robot wars ring with maxstertheblade. If he's right he's marshjihi

 

[Barney]

Compensated by a lower centre of gravity when the ball is on the ground.The height equals strength argument only really holds water when the ball is in the air and even then it's a limited one. I am 6ft and have been out jumped by shorter stockier players in my time. It depends on overall body strength.

How many times does a 5ft 8 player out jump a 6ft 2 player, compared to the other way round? Btw, why do you think they have weight divisions in boxing? As you well know, it's because it's not a fair fight if one is considerably bigger (height, weight, mainly muscular) than the other, and they usually weigh more as a result of a combined height and weight advantage.

 

[GrayBlade]

What make you think he didn't sign today? marsh blade said today or tomorra, after that he's forum fodder and we'll chuck him in the robot wars ring with maxstertheblade. If he's right he's marshjihi

Haha! Word is he signed on Sunday but Sir Killalot did for him.

 

[Stretch]

How many times does a 5ft 8 player out jump a 6ft 2 player, compared to the other way round? Btw, why do you think they have weight divisions in boxing? As you well know, it's because it's not a fair fight if one is considerably bigger (height, weight, mainly muscular) than the other, and they usually weigh more as a result of a combined height and weight advantage.

We are not taking about boxing though are we, football doesn't have weight divisions. I grant you that certain positions
Gk, CB and 1 of 2 CFs normally need height but they themselves still get out muscled by smaller players over the course of 90 minutes.

It's a good job Iniesta, Scholes, Xavi etc weren't scouted by someone with your opinions.

 

[Barney]

We are not taking about boxing though are we, football doesn't have weight divisions. I grant you that certain positions
Gk, CB and 1 of 2 CFs normally need height but they themselves still get out muscled by smaller players over the course of 90 minutes.

It's a good job Iniesta, Scholes, Xavi etc weren't scouted by someone with your opinions.

We can all list players to suit our arguments so that's not really worthy of inclusion. But I never said small players can't be world class footballers, just that their strength and physicality potential is generally limited to a lower point than that of bigger players.

 

[Reynoldo]

We can all list players to suit our arguments so that's not really worthy of inclusion. But I never said small players can't be world class footballers, just that their strength and physicality potential is generally limited to a lower point than that of bigger players.

Having watched Fleck he's strong and good on the ball - lack of height will be no issue if you have other qualities and are not too lightweight

 

[Sheff de party]

Here's an idea, why not quote the whole post that it gives context to the statement that you are singling out and taking the piss out of?

Basham is decent enough technically but he lacks strength and physicality which Morsy provides, but who is also limited in terms of passing and technique.

Better?

Haha seriously? Quite clearly I'm saying that if anyone is worse than Basham technically we've got problems. I'm mocking neither you nor your post. I've never seen Morsy play, but if he's not a better 'footballer' than Basham, we shouldn't be looking at him. Hopefully he is.

There's an argument for taking the piss out of anyone saying Basham is "decent enough technically" though...

 

[Ricky]

No way is Basham better than Morsy technically! Morsy's more natural in midfield and knows where to turn etc, and has closer control.

As for the physicality thing, Morsy's more likely to win you a midfield battle than Basham. It's not all about winning headers. Strength, aggression and positioning are all more important in that area of the pitch.

No doubt you'd want to compensate for any lack of height in midfield though, by having a tall full back for example.

 

[Stretch]

Haha seriously? Quite clearly I'm saying that if anyone is worse than Basham technically we've got problems. I'm mocking neither you nor your post. I've never seen Morsy play, but if he's not a better 'footballer' than Basham, we shouldn't be looking at him. Hopefully he is.

There's an argument for taking the piss out of anyone saying Basham is "decent enough technically" though...

Fair do's but I do happen to think Basham is a decent footballer, but just a bit lightweight and not tough enough for the role he seems to want to to play. Morsy would be much better because he has the key attributes for that role, without necessarily being as skillful.

 

[sheffielder]

Basham is a reactive player and not instinctive. Every tackle faces his own goal and he doesn't win the ball on the front foot look up and pick a pass. Nothing against him as a defender but a central midfielder in the mould of what I look for. I have had Claude makalele chucked at me when I have said this befor, but he had one job, to sit in front of the back 4. We don't have that luxury

 

[David Lee's first touch]

How many times does a 5ft 8 player out jump a 6ft 2 player, compared to the other way round? Btw, why do you think they have weight divisions in boxing? As you well know, it's because it's not a fair fight if one is considerably bigger (height, weight, mainly muscular) than the other, and they usually weigh more as a result of a combined height and weight advantage.

The worst comparison I've ever read, football and boxing, what next rugby and figure skating. As for out jumping it depends on the spring obviously if someone taller has a decent spring a smaller player is going to struggle to out jump them, but if the smaller player has a decent starting position he can challenge for the ball in the air, done correctly this negates any threat from the afore mentioned header as the taller player cannot get the required power or direction for it to be dangerous. It is hard to do correctly but not impossible there has been plenty of world class centre backs under 6 ft tall who have utilised this tactic, our very own rob page wasn't too bad at it either.

 

[Barney]

As for out jumping it depends on the spring obviously if someone taller has a decent spring a smaller player is going to struggle to out jump them, but if the smaller player has a decent starting position he can challenge for the ball in the air, done correctly this negates any threat from the afore mentioned header as the taller player cannot get the required power or direction for it to be dangerous.

You're making it more complicated than it is unfortunately.

Out jumping - a taller player is more likely to out jump a smaller player.

That's all there is to it.

 

[Ricky]

Aside from height, one thing Basham has over Morsy (and Fleck) is mobility.

I'd like to see him in a three man midfield with those two, he's much more comfortable in a three and that would give us a good balance. It would work best with a good attacking right back.

 

[David Lee's first touch]

You're making it more complicated than it is unfortunately.

Out jumping - a taller player is more likely to out jump a smaller player.

That's all.

You're making it more complicated than it is unfortunately.

Out jumping - a taller player is more likely to out jump a smaller player.

That's all.

Maybe a little complicated . Out jumping it all depends on the spring obviously a taller player starts with an advantage. I'm not that bothered about hight in a footballer personally I'd much rather have someone like morsey who can play actual football with their feet it's a good place to start I'm sure yo will agree? We had Hammond and Basham in cm last season both tall, both shit in the air and both fucking useless bring on the Jack Russell's

 

[Sheff de party]

Fair do's but I do happen to think Basham is a decent footballer, but just a bit lightweight and not tough enough for the role he seems to want to to play. Morsy would be much better because he has the key attributes for that role, without necessarily being as skillful.

yeah I can see what you mean. And you absolutely can't fault his attitude and dedication. I do think he's limited but I can see why many people are fans and I don't watch him very often.

Would be nice to have them both!

 

[GallonofMagnet]

Basham is so slow and clumsy at everything he does. He looks like he has minimal control over his own legs.

 

[sheffielder]

You're making it more complicated than it is unfortunately.

Out jumping - a taller player is more likely to out jump a smaller player.

That's all there is to it.

I can see you saw Sammon a lot which disproves your theory

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Aside from height, one thing Basham has over Morsy (and Fleck) is mobility.

I'd like to see him in a three man midfield with those two, he's much more comfortable in a three and that would give us a good balance. It would work best with a good attacking right back.

Agree totally about the 3 with Bash - that's why Clough brought him in.

Looks comfortable in a 3, and poor in a 2.

The problem now, is we are talking/discussing about "fitting" players we have or accommodating them due to their inability - that doesn't sit right with me - thought or was led to believe CW didn't want that, but it seems we are doing JUST that.

CW should have a style and a way, get the players to do that job and allow it to be tweaked during a game.

Fitting Done and Bash into midfield is, to me, counter productive to how CW wants to play the game.

UTB

 

[ThroughThinAndThinner]

Aside from height, one thing Basham has over Morsy (and Fleck) is mobility.

I'd like to see him in a three man midfield with those two, he's much more comfortable in a three and that would give us a good balance. It would work best with a good attacking right back.

Who are we dropping him for...playing a 4-5-1 with Sharp or Clarke dropping out? It's a no from me, we will not have enough goals in the side playing one up top. And I assume from your attackig right back comment that you don't want to see a 3 man defence to compensate for a 3 man centre mid.

 

[Barney]

I can see you saw Sammon a lot which disproves your theory

I'd like to think you think about your posts before you post them but on the evidence I'm not convinced. There's always going to be exceptions, there are with everything. But on average, taller players are more likely to out jump smaller ones. Are you seriously disagreeing with this?

 

[Pierre's PC]

Not signed today then. I'm shocked and disappointed

I'm >---< this close to flounce posting.

 

[Ricky]

Who are we dropping him for...playing a 4-5-1 with Sharp or Clarke dropping out? It's a no from me, we will not have enough goals in the side playing one up top. And I assume from your attackig right back comment that you don't want to see a 3 man defence to compensate for a 3 man centre mid.

I'd play Sharp and Clarke, with Duffy from the left with the freedom to roam. It is dependent on having a really good attacking right back though, in the James Tavernier/Nathan Byrne mould.

I'd also be happy to go 4-4-2 with Morsy and Fleck in midfield and either drop Basham or move him to right back.