Sack Wilder

[Alex Cheeseright]

Perhaps I'm in the minority of one here, but I don't want us getting promoted, unless this takeover miraculously happens (I'm sceptical it will happen at all) and suddenly we've got gazillions of cash to spend on players.
I don't think I can take another season of being dry bummed every week.

However, this is Sheffield Utd and that's not how we roll.

It's going to take some serious cash to compete and I feel you, we are not ready for another season of that dry stuff!!

 

[Youngand70]

His transfer dealings have been exceptional, but ultimately he will be judged on what he does with the players, not how good he is at getting them in. His primary job is to win matches, not to be head of recruitment.

The incomings have certainly been good on the budget given. Him and his "mates" in recruitment deserve credit. But it's interesting that he didn't fancy the Portsmouth job where they have a Sporing Director Richard Hughes (did the same job at Forest Green) who deals with incoming and outgoings leaving the COACH John Mousinho to COACH. Worked so far as they went up as League 1 Champions last year. As much as we may not like the coaching set up at many clubs around the footballing world it's been around for a long time now and it has worked for many successful clubs around the world. I feel Wilder's downfall will be his stubbornness to want to stick with the old way of being THE MANAGER with his finger in every aspect of the club, plus it's very convenient that Abdullah and the rest of his cronies on the board are always conspicuous by their absence, that's of course unless it is a Promotion season!!! Fair chance the alleged new owners may want to go down the modern way of "managing" the club, should be interesting.

 

[Houston_Blade]

You cant blame Wilder for the second half performance against QPR .they was a plan to beat them. but the players did not follow the plan. Stopped the press decided to stand off Gave QPR the space they needed .poor refereeing did not help us as well. far to early to make judgements yet.

Based on that logic he can’t be praised for the first half performance either then.

If it’s all down to the players then what’s the point of the manager?!

 

[reedy63]

Well yeah if the players ignore what the manager have asked them to do then is is the players fault. the first half was okay they did what was asked.if you always go against the plan you wont get anywere.

 

[1987]

Based on that logic he can’t be praised for the first half performance either then.

If it’s all down to the players then what’s the point of the manager?!

The argument there would be, the players are supposed to follow the plan laid out by the manager for the team. Its their job to execute, and primarily their fault when they don't.

Of course, the manager has a responsibility to make sure they do/ get a handle on it when they don't.

Alternatively, if players do execute what they're told and it's still shit, then that's on the manager.

 

[Working Class Hero]

His transfer dealings have been exceptional, but ultimately he will be judged on what he does with the players, not how good he is at getting them in. His primary job is to win matches, not to be head of recruitment.

I can't really judge something that hasn't happened yet though. That would be impossible. I said we can't have expected much more so far.

 

[steve26272]

But you wouldn't sack him now though, would you?

It's far too early to be reading much into the results, check our neighbours out, who thought after one game they were going to smash the league. The Preston game could turn out to be an outlier and we might not look that good again all season for all we know.

Don't get me wrong, I was annoyed after leaving the ground on Saturday, but you've got to put it in perspective.

100% no - hes built a good 1st team, and weve had 3 halves of good football.

I think CW needs a run of good results to get his swagger back, hes a cocky fucker when at it, and that hasnt been repaired via Boro or Watford

if, and its an if at this stage, he does then its a win win situation big time

if were mid table come November then he should be looking over his shoulder (i think he will be ok fwiw)

any team with Cooper, Gilchrist, Souttar, Burrows, Hamer, Souza, oHare, Arblaster and Moore shouldnt be outside top 6

 

[Torrix1889]

If the players had gone "off-plan" then you would have expected Wilder to be jumping up and down in his technical area, barking instructions....he didn't.

I think there was a general arrogance about our approach Saturday, I don't think for one moment Wilder or the players expected anything other than a comfortable win, even at 2-1. By the time reality kicked in it was too late so Wilder does what he does best and blamed everyone else but himself.

I'm not saying sack him of course but hopefully it gives all concerned a kick up the arse. Still, could have been worse, we could have been dicked 4-0 at Sunderland...

 

[steve26272]

You cant blame Wilder for the second half performance against QPR .they was a plan to beat them. but the players did not follow the plan. Stopped the press decided to stand off Gave QPR the space they needed .poor refereeing did not help us as well. far to early to make judgements yet.

Is that not more worrying tho - are you not saying the players dont respect him enough to follow the plan?

If CW came out and said (not that he ever would) 'Look lads thats on me, had a plan but it didnt work, my bad' then fine

But hes actually saying the players didnt adhere to his instruction - he should tell them a couple of times from sideline, then sub one off as a message to not fuck around and play the plan.

Chelsea looked like a team breaking in a new style yesterday, and lost, but they stuck to the plan, even tho they were losing.

 

[Houston_Blade]

The argument there would be, the players are supposed to follow the plan laid out by the manager for the team. Its their job to execute, and primarily their fault when they don't.

Of course, the manager has a responsibility to make sure they do/ get a handle on it when they don't.

Alternatively, if players do execute what they're told and it's still shit, then that's on the manager.

I was being a bit tongue in cheek with my response and agree with you.

The worry for me is that last season Wilder came in and said he’d unite the players and fans. He’s binned a lot of players and brought a lot of his own in. He talks about ‘non-negotiables’ a lot and how he takes players based on their mindset and ‘fit’ with the club.

If these players aren’t listening to him then I’d suggest he’s not doing what he said he’d do and that he’s not actually in control of the players. Hopefully it was just a team brain fart that was required to kick them up the arse and it doesn’t happen again.

Time will tell.

 

[petcharlie]

Perhaps I'm in the minority of one here, but I don't want us getting promoted, unless this takeover miraculously happens (I'm sceptical it will happen at all) and suddenly we've got gazillions of cash to spend on players.
I don't think I can take another season of being dry bummed every week.

However, this is Sheffield Utd and that's not how we roll.

I agree i hate the prem not because what we went through but i hate the cheats i hate how it's geared up to protect the elite but we need the cash so understand the need to be there.

 

[The Fox]

With the exception of very few managers in the world they all know that one day, they're getting fired.
Anything from a bad run of form , falling out with the chairman , change of ownership , losing the dressing room etc , all with the same outcome. It's inevitable
Football supporters are fickle , so are chairman, in fact the game is fickle , hero to zero in the blink of an eye .
I'm pretty sure that alot of managers don't take it personally , it's just how it is . They're well paid and compensated for the ignomy of being shown the door .
Fans views depend on what follows , a good response from the team and the guy is suddenly yesterday's man .
We need to realise that barring a " challenging at the top end" league position it highly likely CW will be fired, as will most managers who start the season with clubs who have high expectations.

The next guy will also get fired at some point and so on . It's like the sun rising in the morning , inevitable.

By all means we should support whoever is in charge , just don't get too attached they're not for life .

 

[petcharlie]

Is that not more worrying tho - are you not saying the players dont respect him enough to follow the plan?

If CW came out and said (not that he ever would) 'Look lads thats on me, had a plan but it didnt work, my bad' then fine

But hes actually saying the players didnt adhere to his instruction - he should tell them a couple of times from sideline, then sub one off as a message to not fuck around and play the plan.

Chelsea looked like a team breaking in a new style yesterday, and lost, but they stuck to the plan, even tho they were losing.

Can you imagine what would have happened if we like Chelsea had lost sticking to a plan? My word there would be a lynch mob on John St . We won every match pre season and won 2 matches and drawn 1 since the start and we are discussing if the manager should be sacked . This is after a few weeks ago we were talking about surviving the drop from the Championship . The world has gone mad .

 

[Sean Thornton]

Can you imagine what would have happened if we like Chelsea had lost sticking to a plan? My word there would be a lynch mob on John St . We won every match pre season and won 2 matches and drawn 1 since the start and we are discussing if the manager should be sacked . This is after a few weeks ago we were talking about surviving the drop from the Championship . The world has gone mad .

The story for most isn’t sacking him though. It’s more of the same from last season.(Not the relegation, that was inevitable). An apparent inability to make changes when needed and a quick return to blaming the players. Don’t you find that a concern?

 

[coaxingstar71]

I agree i hate the prem not because what we went through but i hate the cheats i hate how it's geared up to protect the elite but we need the cash so understand the need to be there.

I'm bewildered by the apparent financial crisis at the club. I don't recall us being in financial meltdown in the first season back in Championship in 2017-18 and then when we got promoted to the Prem in 2018-19, it was billed as the event that would mean financial stability for years to come. I know we spent quite a bit on players and although there was obviously an increase in salaries, we had two seasons followed by two seasons of parachute payments, then another promotion, which apparently was critical to our financial situation, another Prem season and now more parachute payments. But it seems now that we're on this rollercoaster of needing to be back in the Prem to keep the wheels on the bus or face financial ruin.
I don't get it, what was the point in getting there in the first place, if we're now constantly on the brink of financial collapse if we don't get back there?

 

[Sean Thornton]

I'm bewildered by the apparent financial crisis at the club. I don't recall us being in financial meltdown in the first season back in Championship in 2017-18 and then when we got promoted to the Prem in 2018-19, it was billed as the event that would mean financial stability for years to come. I know we spent quite a bit on players and although there was obviously an increase in salaries, we had two seasons followed by two seasons of parachute payments, then another promotion, which apparently was critical to our financial situation, another Prem season and now more parachute payments. But it seems now that we're on this rollercoaster of needing to be back in the Prem to keep the wheels on the bus or face financial ruin.
I don't get it, what was the point in getting there in the first place, if we're now constantly on the brink of financial collapse if we don't get back there?

What financial crisis are you referring to?

 

[petcharlie]

The story for most isn’t sacking him though. It’s more of the same from last season.(Not the relegation, that was inevitable). An apparent inability to make changes when needed and a quick return to blaming the players. Don’t you find that a concern?

no

 

[steve26272]

Can you imagine what would have happened if we like Chelsea had lost sticking to a plan? My word there would be a lynch mob on John St . We won every match pre season and won 2 matches and drawn 1 since the start and we are discussing if the manager should be sacked . This is after a few weeks ago we were talking about surviving the drop from the Championship . The world has gone mad .

So are you saying the players were right to deviate from the plan?

No one is calling for him to be sacked now, im not anyway - I am however saying that the pattern of last season when the motivation went, subs were too late and sometimes wrong seemed to happen on Saturday

I hope he sorts it out, as a on song Wilder is as good as anyone can outside top 10 EPL can get

 

[petcharlie]

I'm bewildered by the apparent financial crisis at the club. I don't recall us being in financial meltdown in the first season back in Championship in 2017-18 and then when we got promoted to the Prem in 2018-19, it was billed as the event that would mean financial stability for years to come. I know we spent quite a bit on players and although there was obviously an increase in salaries, we had two seasons followed by two seasons of parachute payments, then another promotion, which apparently was critical to our financial situation, another Prem season and now more parachute payments. But it seems now that we're on this rollercoaster of needing to be back in the Prem to keep the wheels on the bus or face financial ruin.
I don't get it, what was the point in getting there in the first place, if we're now constantly on the brink of financial collapse if we don't get back there?

i agree but i thought we were over our cash crises ,the reason I said we need cash is that to get where we want to be which is to be able to compete in the prem we need prem cash .I say we i would rather not bother.

 

[ATL Recs]

You cant blame Wilder for the second half performance against QPR .they was a plan to beat them. but the players did not follow the plan. Stopped the press decided to stand off Gave QPR the space they needed .poor refereeing did not help us as well. far to early to make judgements yet.

Based on the first part of this paragraph that ends at plan ... are you mad ?

 

[Sean Thornton]

no

Clapper.

 

[Shawy24]

Clapper.

Fucking insane more like.

 

[Railway Blade]

I do think Wilder was partly to blame on Saturday for not recognising the shit or bust tactics that QPR employed second half that gave them a stranglehold on the game. He did something about it too late when we were back to 2-2.

That said talk of sacking him is ridiculous. If it wasn't for the points deduction we would be 5th and haven't yet lost. If you get sacked for that god help anyone else who comes in.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

The story for most isn’t sacking him though. It’s more of the same from last season.(Not the relegation, that was inevitable). An apparent inability to make changes when needed and a quick return to blaming the players. Don’t you find that a concern?

Yes from me. Concern that can be fixed very easily.

 

[petcharlie]

I do think Wilder was partly to blame on Saturday for not recognising the shit or bust tactics that QPR employed second half that gave them a stranglehold on the game. He did something about it too late when we were back to 2-2.

That said talk of sacking him is ridiculous. If it wasn't for the points deduction we would be 5th and haven't yet lost. If you get sacked for that god help anyone else who comes in.

I think most on here would accept that . He was late making changes but some on here are making for to much of it .We have to remember this new team is on a learning curve and so is Wilder who is also learning about his new team also .No doubt he will have learned a great deal about players he is getting to know to . We shall see . Wilder as done a great job building a brand new team with very little money but time is needed for them to gel so we should expect some bumps on the way . A good pre season 2 wins and a draw is more than acceptable .

 

[Houston_Blade]

A good pre season

I don’t think this matters in the slightest. We’ve played some lower league opposition and the players got a run out. That’s about it. We’ve hardly been and beat Barcelona and Juventus away!

 

[reedy63]

ATL Recs. are you mad. every team that plays football as a plan to beat the opposition. everyone is entitled to have an opinion. can you explain why you think i am mad. you dont know me never met me.so you either a silly young lad or thick.

 

[petcharlie]

I don’t think this matters in the slightest. We’ve played some lower league opposition and the players got a run out. That’s about it. We’ve hardly been and beat Barcelona and Juventus away!

Can you imagine the fuss if we did not beat them ? You are correct they were nowt games but they were successful games and some on here would have had a field day if we had lost any of them . Some on here call them by that stupid phrase bed wetters

 

[Houston_Blade]

Can you imagine the fuss if we did not beat them ? You are correct they were nowt games but they were successful games and some on here would have had a field day if we had lost any of them . Some on here call them by that stupid phrase bed wetters

It’s nice to win games of football, particularly after last season. But ‘a good preseason’ is a stretch.

We beat Chesterfield, Harrogate, Rotherham and York and drew with Huddersfield, a good few of the players we now have didn’t play in some or all of them.

 

[wizadry]

Do I want Wilder sacked, of course not, that’s absolutely ridiculous, was it his fault that we drew that game, 100%. If the players weren’t following his instructions then it’s up to him to do something about it, he needs to be more proactive instead of reactive, that’s been a gripe of mine with him for a long time now but he deserves a fair crack of the whip to mount a serious title challenge and I do have a feeling he’ll do a good job of it.