Robson Speaks

[happyhippy]

Thats exactly what i've been trying to say all along... with the added part about the only one we have real control over is us! So why make things worse during the game?!

As I said before, do we have control 'as a whole'? No, we clearly don't. Does Sornob? If not total control, not far off. Given that, who wields the greater influence?

It's incontravertible that we exert an influence, but it's a reaction. It's a reflection of current events and the match itself.

The management set up is the pro-active part in this, and for the man at the helm of the playing part of that to come out and publicly give us a slating isn't on.

 

[matth]

It could equally be argued that blatantly lying isn't on either; Robson giving the implication that the fans were on the back of the players and management from the off is a clear misrepresentation of the facts, and also as HH says he doesn't mention that it was a minority of the crowd.

Robson's lumping together of the entire fanbase into one unsavoury bunch doesn't do him many favours, and it partly negates the argument that personal insults are out of bounds too.

 

[Foxy]

Robson's lumping together of the entire fanbase into one unsavoury bunch doesn't do him many favours, and it partly negates the argument that personal insults are out of bounds too.

Whilst I agree, they are the wrong comments to make... there was a quote somewhere today that had him talking about having some good support from certain sections as well.

What I mean by control... is that the fans as a whole do have control over their actions. We don't have ultimate control over the running of the club or what goes on on the pitch..... but we clearly can have some sort of impact on it.

 

[matth]

It could also be argued that it doesn't have the effect which Robson intimates, though. We've not played particularly well all season - a couple of matches and brief periods within matches aside - and the fans haven't always been on the backs of the players.

I'm not disputing that it can be unhelpful, but I sincerely doubt that it's the major cause of the current malaise at the club. The fans have been supportive and non-supportive; players have come and gone; the only real constant this season has been the management setup. Doesn't take a genius to work out where the root of the problem lies.

 

[Robbie]

but we clearly can have some sort of impact on it.

This is very debatable to be honest, I'm not saying it isn't true. Nor am I giving my verdict for or against. HOWEVER, some of the quietest grounds have the most succesful teams. Arsenal and Man United have generally low noise levels and are 2 of our most succesful teams in England. however the flip side is Liverpool, a very noise ground, with a fantastic history too.

Would Man united be even better if their fans got behind them fully all the time? Very debateable. I don't like comparing us to Man United etc, but it is just a point.

From a personal point of view, whenever I have played football in front of crowds (not to the same size of course) then support behind me doesn't lift me. I get on with my game. But we are talking a difference of maybe 300 fans, to 22,000 fans.

 

[Jack & Helga]

I think Robson may have signed his own death warrant with these comments.

This is an interesting read from when Robbo left West Brom. Some very familiar points
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_bromwich_albion/5356352.stm
I wonder how much (if any) good work has gone on behind the scenes...

 

[BexleyBlade]

This comment has really annoyed me ... As has already been stated, there are only a minority who have been booing/jeering/chanting (whatever) however he categorises us all as unhelpful and unsupportive ... When the chant of "Stand up if you hate Robson" began he should have noticed the majority remained seated!

I do however have no objections with him slating the fans who DO ACTUALLY call for his head - after all, if they've got any right to slate Robbo surely he can return the favour

 

[Foxy]

This comment has really annoyed me ... As has already been stated, there are only a minority who have been booing/jeering/chanting (whatever) however he categorises us all as unhelpful and unsupportive ... When the chant of "Stand up if you hate Robson" began he should have noticed the majority remained seated!

I do however have no objections with him slating the fans who DO ACTUALLY call for his head - after all, if they've got any right to slate Robbo surely he can return the favour

As I said earlier... to be fair to him, there were comments about fans being supportive etc... its just they appear to have slowly filtered out of the news stories throughout the day.

Still a big mistake mentioning it at all though IMO.

Still.... changes are going to happen before long.

 

[Robbie]

I just still can't get over the comment of

"If we'd had better support from them I feel we could have gone on to win."

Not anyone elses fault except the crowd.

When will he ever hold his hands up and say "I've made a mistake".

The guy is pushing his luck.

 

[BexleyBlade]

This is very debatable to be honest, I'm not saying it isn't true. Nor am I giving my verdict for or against. HOWEVER, some of the quietest grounds have the most succesful teams. Arsenal and Man United have generally low noise levels and are 2 of our most succesful teams in England. however the flip side is Liverpool, a very noise ground, with a fantastic history too.

Would Man united be even better if their fans got behind them fully all the time? Very debateable. I don't like comparing us to Man United etc, but it is just a point.

Good point Robbie but take Geary for example, when we are loud, hes publicy stated he gets a lift ... Again last season, at home to Arsenal, Bolton etc. I dont think we would have got much from any such games if the fans werent as good as they were

 

[Robbie]

Totally Bexley, some people need encouragement, but I'm not sure it is quite as important as some people would have you believe.

I'm more than happy to sing throughout a match if there is something worth cheering on. But RE Scunthorpe game, it was drab to say the least.

 

[BexleyBlade]

I agree Robbie and the players should to a certain extent be able to pick themselves up - I mean its not as if we were losing or ought

 

[keenzy]

the booing started about 40 mins as robbie says, and there player got sent off 10 mins in, so thats about 30mins against 10 men with little aggression from the crowd, but still its our fault?

its about time he held his hands up and admitted he's made mistakes, playing wrong tactics, picking the wrong players.

fans blame manager, manager blames fans vicious cycle but theres only one winner.

 

[Jack & Helga]

If we can't beat a team who are bottom of the league when they play 80 minutes with 10 men then blaming the crowd is a very poor excuse. I can't remember anything much other than Sharp's header in the entire game to be honest.
Surprised we didn't hear the old "It's difficult against 10 men" chestnut as well.

 

[Greasy Chip Butty]

If we can't beat a team who are bottom of the league when they play 80 minutes with 10 men then blaming the crowd is a very poor excuse. I can't remember anything much other than Sharp's header in the entire game to be honest.
Surprised we didn't hear the old "It's difficult against 10 men" chestnut as well.

Which it is, Scunthorpe knew they had to put the extra effort in and did. Closing our players down all the time...

Maybe we should try with 10 men...