Rhian Brewster

[Hamburg Blade]

The companies are beyond any individual country regulating them for now although I’d imagine people are watching facebooks spat with Australia with interest. Coupled with this the companies themselves aren’t particularly interested in self regulation all interaction on their platforms is good interaction and that advertising revenue keeps streaming in coupled with a nice sideline in data collection and sale.

They aren't beyond an individual country's regulation, countries are just too lazy to implement anything serious. Most of these companies already comply with various regulation about providing records when required for a prosecution or in keeping with privacy laws or decency laws. Large, global social media companies don't want to go "underground" because they refuse to comply with laws designed to safeguard people online. The bigger the country, the more clout, obviously, but it will only take one largish country to start the ball rolling with reasonable legislation aimed at combating online abuse and others will quickly follow.

 

[Greg.]

Yup. Fucking awful.

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Hopefully the club reports it - the same thing happened with Zaha earlier in the season and it turned out to be a 12 year old who got taken into custody

12-Year-Old Arrested for Racist Messages Sent to Wilfried Zaha on Instagram

West Midlands Police arrested a 12-year-old boy Sunday after he sent a series of racist messages and images to Crystal Palace 's star winger Wilfried Zaha on social media, per ESPN ...

bleacherreport.com

 

[bongleblade]

What if the kid who sent it is also black ? Then is it racist ? I have black friends who call kt each other, half the Usa refer to each other as ‘Nigga’, to them its its not derogatory as they are both black, it is widely accepted that black people can say it, white people cant though, also look at Lebron James, tiger woods, other massive black sports stars, their social media followers say it constantly in a non derogatory way whilst complementing on a good game, which doesn’t help the racism problem ? Just saying....The way to fix this, code in an algorithm into social media, which picks up the word in question and blocks the post, or automatically reports it, or bans them, it really is not hard, they just dont want less people using social media. Point is white people saying it NO, but its ok for black people to say it, They dont understand stand that the word refers to slavery, thats why NOBODY should say it.

quite ironic really, that you use that word in your post, and you’re calling for it to be banned on forms of social media and nobody should say it... but maybe people should just remember to not racially abuse people by calling them poo boy and the N word... surely there’s no question this was said in a derogatory way?

and if that message to Rhian was sent by any person of any race or identity, then you’d question their intentions, as it’s clearly rude, racist and derogatory to Rhian.

There is a difference between appropriation and ownership of words (black people calling themselves the N word) and straight up racist abuse.

Those who politicise racism seem to try to trivialise or justify it, but they seem to forget that it is simply rude and abusive to message someone slinging horrendous slurs at them.

 

[JayGreen17]

Racist twats, we support all our poc players, much luv to our main striker and top scorer Rhian for next season, he’s a blade! Take no notice lad.

 

[Yogi]

They aren't beyond an individual country's regulation, countries are just too lazy to implement anything serious. Most of these companies already comply with various regulation about providing records when required for a prosecution or in keeping with privacy laws or decency laws. Large, global social media companies don't want to go "underground" because they refuse to comply with laws designed to safeguard people online. The bigger the country, the more clout, obviously, but it will only take one largish country to start the ball rolling with reasonable legislation aimed at combating online abuse and others will quickly follow.

Yeah I think that’s why everyone’s watching the Australia thing with interest if they set a precedent then you could see it. I’m surprised the EU as a major market hasn’t been more aggressive going after them.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Social media companies set the rules ,they have no intention of altering their formats .

 

[bongleblade]

Social media companies set the rules ,they have no intention of altering their formats .

even if there were rules in place, would it prevent racist abuse? people will always find a way to get around it. For example, if they filtered out racist language, they arent gonna filter out ‘poo boy’ or any of the other vile slurs.

Plus, isnt it better for these things to be out in the open so people can hopefully understand why players still take the knee and we have the Kick It Out campaign

This argument whiffs of shifting the responsibility from the racist nob heads who are perpetrators, onto the social media companies... when the only person in the wrong is the bigot abusing players

 

[Bladeloyal]

It's providing a platform for the dregs of our society ,a quick look round twitter and any subject is covered .and the perpetrators can do it in the knowledge most can't be traced .

 

[Bladeloyal]

Great news for our players Brewster u21 England jebbison u18 England hackford u17 England ,that's how to answer these racial bigots.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

even if there were rules in place, would it prevent racist abuse? people will always find a way to get around it. For example, if they filtered out racist language, they arent gonna filter out ‘poo boy’ or any of the other vile slurs.

Plus, isnt it better for these things to be out in the open so people can hopefully understand why players still take the knee and we have the Kick It Out campaign

This argument whiffs of shifting the responsibility from the racist nob heads who are perpetrators, onto the social media companies... when the only person in the wrong is the bigot abusing players

No one is trying to shift the blame away from the perpetrators. The social media companies are the enablers and they should be held accountable if they are not doing enough. There are always ways around things if you are determined to do something, but that means you are at least getting it down to the few hard-line abusers and taking general, every day abuse out of the equation.
Is it better that it's out in the open? No. It's better that it's stopped. We don't think it's better to have racists shouting racist abuse at people because it's better they say it openly, or sexist comments, or hateful comments. Why should the internet be different?
People need to register with proof of identity. If people know that the company is holding their identity if the police or lawyers come knocking, they will think twice about saying something, just as they have to in every other walk of life. If people are racist/sexist/full of hate, companies should not be providing a safe outlet for them.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

I hope Rhian keeps in perspective that these people are a shameful minority and to many more he is a hero and idolized. Having said that I do wonder if taking the knee has had it's day and still has the same impact. Seeing sports people give black power salutes also makes me a tad uncomfortable.

 

[bongleblade]

No one is trying to shift the blame away from the perpetrators. The social media companies are the enablers and they should be held accountable if they are not doing enough. There are always ways around things if you are determined to do something, but that means you are at least getting it down to the few hard-line abusers and taking general, every day abuse out of the equation.
Is it better that it's out in the open? No. It's better that it's stopped. We don't think it's better to have racists shouting racist abuse at people because it's better they say it openly, or sexist comments, or hateful comments. Why should the internet be different?
People need to register with proof of identity. If people know that the company is holding their identity if the police or lawyers come knocking, they will think twice about saying something, just as they have to in every other walk of life. If people are racist/sexist/full of hate, companies should not be providing a safe outlet for them.

re proof of ID - on one hand it'd prevent this kind of situation, on the other it's a huge invasion of privacy for the sake of a small minority of idiots, and would you really trust Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc with scans of your ID? in this day and age of data and Cambridge Analytica? not for me thanks...

There are functions in place which catch perpetrators already - for example an IP address will tell the social media company everything they need to know (even with a VPN) - i'm not sure these people are even that smart to consider their IP address being shared.

IMO the way to go would be more education around this subject - that people who racially abuse over the internet WILL get caught and WILL be prosecuted - i'm 100% for high-profile exemplary prison sentences for perpetrators of abusing players, govt funding into an advertising campaign, even black academy players visiting schools to speak about abuse online... anything to educate or scare the shit out of people who are thinking of doing the same.

This would be a more logical step imo, taking punitive measures against a select of the population who offend and then educate the wider population, rather than punishing everyone by requiring ID to access social media

 

[Hamburg Blade]

re proof of ID - on one hand it'd prevent this kind of situation, on the other it's a huge invasion of privacy for the sake of a small minority of idiots, and would you really trust Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc with scans of your ID? in this day and age of data and Cambridge Analytica? not for me thanks...

There are functions in place which catch perpetrators already - for example an IP address will tell the social media company everything they need to know (even with a VPN) - i'm not sure these people are even that smart to consider their IP address being shared.

It isn't a huge invasion of privacy at all. Why do you think you should be allowed a platform and a voice without having to say who you are? Your privacy is intact if you don't want to speak to others through social media, if you do then you register. Do you consider driving your car an invasion of privacy? Do you consider paying for something with a bank card an invasion of privacy? These things are only possible if you disclose your personal information and that information can be used to track you down if you commit a crime.
In fact you say it yourself, your IP address can reveal who you are, so why not go the full hog and have people register properly, it'll make people think twice and it'll make finding them much easier if the police need to.
As for not trusting these companies with your personal ID, this is the digital world and your information is stored in dozens of places. Laws and regulation are in place to protect you, but at the end of the day if you don't trust them, don't use them.
As a bit of personal background, the privacy laws here are far-reaching and severe, to the point where they protect criminals. There comes a point when privacy laws go too far - arguing for the right of anonymity whilst having a public voice is a step too far.

IMO the way to go would be more education around this subject - that people who racially abuse over the internet WILL get caught and WILL be prosecuted - i'm 100% for high-profile exemplary prison sentences for perpetrators of abusing players, govt funding into an advertising campaign, even black academy players visiting schools to speak about abuse online... anything to educate or scare the shit out of people who are thinking of doing the same.

This would be a more logical step imo, taking punitive measures against a select of the population who offend and then educate the wider population, rather than punishing everyone by requiring ID to access social media

Education is always a good idea, but that doesn't discount the need to hold social media companies to account or to progress measures to limit abuse. But don't forget, too, that the things you propose cost money. Why should tax-payers fund this education whilst the social media companies do nothing and rake the money in?
And it isn't punishing you to ask you to register an account, in the same way you haven't been punished for getting a driving licence and you haven't been punished by your bank because they want to know where you live.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

It isn't a huge invasion of privacy at all. Why do you think you should be allowed a platform and a voice without having to say who you are? Your privacy is intact if you don't want to speak to others through social media, if you do then you register. Do you consider driving your car an invasion of privacy? Do you consider paying for something with a bank card an invasion of privacy? These things are only possible if you disclose your personal information and that information can be used to track you down if you commit a crime.
In fact you say it yourself, your IP address can reveal who you are, so why not go the full hog and have people register properly, it'll make people think twice and it'll make finding them much easier if the police need to.
As for not trusting these companies with your personal ID, this is the digital world and your information is stored in dozens of places. Laws and regulation are in place to protect you, but at the end of the day if you don't trust them, don't use them.
As a bit of personal background, the privacy laws here are far-reaching and severe, to the point where they protect criminals. There comes a point when privacy laws go too far - arguing for the right of anonymity whilst having a public voice is a step too far.


Education is always a good idea, but that doesn't discount the need to hold social media companies to account or to progress measures to limit abuse. But don't forget, too, that the things you propose cost money. Why should tax-payers fund this education whilst the social media companies do nothing and rake the money in?
And it isn't punishing you to ask you to register an account, in the same way you haven't been punished for getting a driving licence and you haven't been punished by your bank because they want to know where you live.

I don’t always agree with you on political matters (that’s not saying I am right, just to be clear), but I am with you on anonymity online. We are going to have to learn to live with the internet, and the current rules and conventions are not working.

 

[TC's Magic Boots]

I agree with Hamburg Blade on this. Being anonymous gives these people the platform to abuse anyone they see fit, it’s time for the big companies to stand up and start taking steps to identify who they are. It’s shameful that it happens in this day and age.

 

[Belvedere Blade]

Paul Heckingbottom reveals his Sheffield United plan to get striker Rhian Brewster firing

Brewster is yet to score in 23 appearances for the Blades following his £23.5million transfer from Liverpool in October, but he's set to be given 'special attention' from the Blades boss

Paul Heckingbottom says he plans to give Rhian Brewster more game time during the remainder of the season.

Brewster has started just nine Premier League games since joining in a club-record £23.5million transfer from Liverpool in October.

The 20-year-old striker is yet to score in 23 appearances for Sheffield United this season, but Heckingbottom has been impressed with him in training since taking over from Chris Wilder

YorkshireLIVE

 

[bypassblade]

This is disgusting plus Brewster is still a babbi, in football terms this could kill his confidence stone dead I hope he rises above it. I don't care what they say all people found to be sending these messages should be rounded up, and put on TV to show everyone what racist scum they are.

I cannot believe that even after all the years black players been in our game, this still goes on they have brought so much joy to the game as well and given us some great players.