CONFIRMED Rhian Brewster

[Kanye]

I could say the same to you on the latter, how do you know? McBurnie has a better record in his last season at Swansea and in poorer team and Brewster has played a total of 20 professional appearances. He’s not shown anything which suggests he’s going to get a number of goals which would put him around the top 10 goalscorers in the entire league, at 20. That’s one less than Aguero last season.

What has impressed me (and likely others) is the manner he scored his goals. Free-kick, shots outside the box, neat finishes with either foot.

When you're looking at a young player, being prolific isn't as important as talent and ability.

I agree that him being a top 10 goalscorer would be a huge ask, but we wouldn't be paying for the instant impact, we'd be paying for the potential to impact in future seasons too.

Odd then that no one seems willing to pay then isn’t it? I’d suggest it’s not such a bargain and every fucker in the game doesn't quite rate him as highly as you do?

How do you know a fee hasn't been agreed?

 

[Aganarama]

We borrow against future income to fund it if we really want him

We’ve done it before...

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[JackSUFC]

Whilst Liverpool could ask for all the fee up front. I very much doubt it. Almost all clubs pay for transfers in increments and I suspect Liverpool's payment plan for bringing in Jota and Thiago is no different.

Fair point. I’m sure I read Thiago’s fee is staggered over a couple of years.

All depends on the selling club’s demands though. If it’s true Liverpool need to sell to cover new signings (I don’t believe that personally btw) then you’d think they’d want a larger % now.

 

[Snowflake]

Brush it off, some on here still can't get used to us being in the EPL and think we should still be dealing in shillings.

“Shillings” ! 15/02/1971 passed you by ?

 

[YES Blade]

Fair point. I’m sure I read Thiago’s fee is staggered over a couple of years.

All depends on the selling club’s demands though. If it’s true Liverpool need to sell to cover new signings (I don’t believe that personally btw) then you’d think they’d want a larger % now.

I thought it was pretty much the norm for transfer fees to be paid in instalments?

Dortmund seem to be demanding the Sancho fee to be paid up front in full, but I think that’s more a case of them not wanting to sell him and a negotiating tactic.

 

[Snowflake]

But we don't play that system!

We will if he signs and plays

 

[brownblade]

You can still amortise over the length of the contract in the accounts. I believe most transfers are accounted like that. However you still need the cash to pay for it upfront which seems to be the issue here.

True, I believe. And possibly the issue, who knows.

 

[brownblade]

Fair point. I’m sure I read Thiago’s fee is staggered over a couple of years.

All depends on the selling club’s demands though. If it’s true Liverpool need to sell to cover new signings (I don’t believe that personally btw) then you’d think they’d want a larger % now.

Liverpool have reportedly only paid £5mill up front for Thiago. Which might help us if we're looking to get Rhian permanently.

 

[Le Cynique]

You can still amortise over the length of the contract in the accounts. I believe most transfers are accounted like that. However you still need the cash to pay for it upfront which seems to be the issue here.

If all transfers are amortised, it doesn’t make a difference to the budget. That’d be like saying because I can get a loan with monthly repayments I can borrow £10,000 a month for the rest of my life.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

What has impressed me (and likely others) is the manner he scored his goals. Free-kick, shots outside the box, neat finishes with either foot.

When you're looking at a young player, being prolific isn't as important as talent and ability.

I agree that him being a top 10 goalscorer would be a huge ask, but we wouldn't be paying for the instant impact, we'd be paying for the potential to impact in future seasons too.



How do you know a fee hasn't been agreed?

His potential is huge, which is why I hope we do buy him but expecting him to score that many goals in his first full season is way beyond what it’s fair to expect.
WRT fees being agreed, they absolutely could have been, however if that was the going rate and every fucker rated him so highly then why aren’t more in for him at that level?
From reports it’s at best a couple who are interested which does suggest there is doubt about the risk/reward else there would be more. I personally don’t think there can be any doubt that at £20M plus it’s a huge risk albeit with a potentially huge reward.

 

[OrderOfStGeorge]

Whilst Liverpool could ask for all the fee up front. I very much doubt it. Almost all clubs pay for transfers in increments and I suspect Liverpool's payment plan for bringing in Jota and Thiago is no different.

Liverpool are paying 4 installments of 5m a season for Thiago.

 

[Kanye]

His potential is huge, which is why I hope we do buy him but expecting him to score that many goals in his first full season is way beyond what it’s fair to expect.

Absolutely, couldn't agree more with you on this. I hope expectations are tempered.

WRT fees being agreed, they absolutely could have been, however if that was the going rate and every fucker rated him so highly then why aren’t more in for him at that level?
From reports it’s at best a couple who are interested which does suggest there is doubt about the risk/reward else there would be more in. I personally don’t think there can be any doubt that at £20M plus it’s a huge risk albeit with a potentially huge reward.

I'm not sure how many clubs are interested, I'm sure there are plenty who'd love to take him, but maybe can't afford him or need to strengthen in other areas. Say a team like Southampton or West Ham: they may really like him, and rate him highly, but just don't have the space in the squad for another striker.

Also, interest (or lack of) isn't necessarily an indication of quality or value. I don't remember fighting off many teams for say Egan or McGoldrick.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

True, I believe. And possibly the issue, who knows.

I'm not following why this is a "financial" issue tbh. Financial issues are not complex. He's either within budget, or outside of it. And if he's within budget then working out how much we pay and when is just financial mechanics - easily sorted.

I'm not ITK, but if there is "an issue" then it's probably about timing. It's only 24 hours since Liverpool got their man, in terms of Jota. You cannot blame them for not wanting to let Brewster out of the door until they'd been guaranteed to have Jota's signature on paper. Now that he's signed the deal should be good to go.

Nothing happens on Sunday's, so this thread could be "rested" today. But tomorrow may be a different matter.

As I see it:

We've got the funds so as long as he's got the desire to join us, rather than somebody else, it will happen. Happy weekend everyone!

 

[RMBlade]

If all transfers are amortised, it doesn’t make a difference to the budget. That’d be like saying because I can get a loan with monthly repayments I can borrow £10,000 a month for the rest of my life.

Sorry what I meant was the amortisation is more of an accounting trick to get around FFP than any help with getting cash.

It benefits the clubs with rich owners because the owner can pay for transfers out of their own pockets.

Man United did it with Di Maria, I forget the exact numbers but they bought and sold Di Maria for a loss of around £30m (including wages) however because the transfer was amortised over his 5 year contract but because Di Maria was sold at the end of year 2 the accounts showed that Man U made a £10m profit on the deal.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Also, interest (or lack of) isn't necessarily an indication of quality or value. I don't remember fighting off many teams for say Egan or McGoldrick.

Indeed, but the arguement was everyone in the game rates him at the highest level, that’s not the case with Egan and Dids.
German clubs aren’t shy to pick off English talent at around the level being asked because of the risk/reward and yet I’ve not seen any interest from that quarter.
I think the deal being quoted is well over his market value, but that doesn’t mean it’s a poor deal, it just means there’s more risk in doing the deal.
My main concern is with our fans believing he’s a £25M signing and is therefore certain to get 15 goals in his first season. Also if the club walk away it’s because we’re unambiguous rather those that know much more than ourselves have acknowledged that the price is just too high for us to bring in a talented but long term development project.

 

[Le Cynique]

Sorry what I meant was the amortisation is more of an accounting trick to get around FFP than any help with getting cash.

It benefits the clubs with rich owners because the owner can pay for transfers out of their own pockets.

Man United did it with Di Maria, I forget the exact numbers but they bought and sold Di Maria for a loss of around £30m (including wages) however because the transfer was amortised over his 5 year contract but because Di Maria was sold at the end of year 2 the accounts showed that Man U made a £10m profit on the deal.

Fair play

 

[chesblade]

Is it possible he has signed and all been kept quiet until tomorrow . Didn't wilder say in an interview he was expecting someone in by Monday. No photos of training sessions which are usually on twitter, none of the players posting anything either. Just a thought

 

[OrderOfStGeorge]

His potential is huge, which is why I hope we do buy him but expecting him to score that many goals in his first full season is way beyond what it’s fair to expect.
WRT fees being agreed, they absolutely could have been, however if that was the going rate and every fucker rated him so highly then why aren’t more in for him at that level?
From reports it’s at best a couple who are interested which does suggest there is doubt about the risk/reward else there would be more. I personally don’t think there can be any doubt that at £20M plus it’s a huge risk albeit with a potentially huge reward.

Not really a huge risk when the benefits of his transfer far outweigh the perceived risk when we gets 100+ million for simply staying in the league.

 

[SilkyBlade]

Is it possible he has signed and all been kept quiet until tomorrow . Didn't wilder say in an interview he was expecting someone in by Monday. No photos of training sessions which are usually on twitter, none of the players posting anything either. Just a thought

I think anything’s possible...that’s why none of us have a clue whether he’s coming or not

 

[bongleblade]

Is it possible he has signed and all been kept quiet until tomorrow . Didn't wilder say in an interview he was expecting someone in by Monday. No photos of training sessions which are usually on twitter, none of the players posting anything either. Just a thought

didnt he say we are NOT expecting anyone in by Monday, ie they wont be playing v Villa? correct me if im wrong

 

[Danetheblade]

Is it possible he has signed and all been kept quiet until tomorrow . Didn't wilder say in an interview he was expecting someone in by Monday. No photos of training sessions which are usually on twitter, none of the players posting anything either. Just a thought

Said he's not expecting anyone in for Monday's game.

 

[chesblade]

Not sure would have to re listen to interviews but sure there was a quote on an interview saying hopefully have someone by Monday

 

[Danetheblade]

Not sure would have to re listen to interviews but sure there was a quote on an interview saying hopefully have someone by Monday

That was before the press conference before villa, was yesterday when he said that nobody would be in by Monday. Though he did mention "wheels can turn fast" and pool have now signed two players one of which is a direct replacement for his position.. but I still can't see movement before Monday.

 

[SilkyBlade]

Don’t even bother looking at what Nixon has written!!!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Not really a huge risk when the benefits of his transfer far outweigh the perceived risk when we gets 100+ million for simply staying in the league.

If we were buying a proven PL goalscorer then I’d agree, an Ings, or even King quality player. You can continue to say he guarantees PL survival but right now there is nothing to suggest he’s at the level right now to deliver on your promise.

 

[Torrix1889]

Originally he said hopefully someone in for Monday then yesterday he said he doubted anything would be done in time for Monday

 

[EddieColquhoun]

 

[Torrix1889]

Don’t even bother looking at what Nixon has written!!!

Not seen it?

Have now..... groundbreaking!

 

[Danetheblade]

"Struggling with fee" lol..

 

[Bladesman]

Still saying nothing more than he has previously said.