Ramsdales Development

[larkymasher]

We have obviously got a fantastic prospect in this young keeper. My worry is lack of game time. One start in the first team and no more than 5 starts at Under 23s. Add maybe 3 international appearances and i start to think where his development is going to come from.
He needs to be out playing league football asap in my opinion.

Long is certainly good enough to bench warm and use in an emergency.

Ramsdale is too good to to sit on the bench week in week out. The lad needs to play regular football.

My number of games maybe a little out but you get my drift....

 

[BushBlade]

So what do you suggest?

 

[larkymasher]

I think he should go out on loan from January Bush.

Long is more than capable of sitting on the bench in case of emergencies. If Moore has a serious injury then we can recall Ramsdale back. As far as i am aware keepers can be brought back from a loan straight away.

I think we all agree that to improve and progress you need to play games.

 

[HoodedClaw]

I think he should go out on loan from January Bush.

Long is more than capable of sitting on the bench in case of emergencies. If Moore has a serious injury then we can recall Ramsdale back. As far as i am aware keepers can be brought back from a loan straight away.

I think we all agree that to improve and progress you need to play games.

Sounds like a plan, however I'm not sure Long will be here by the end of Jan though.

 

[Ricky]

I think both Long and Ramsdale will leave in January and we'll sign an experienced keeper.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I understand your point larky, but what happens during a game if Moore is injured and cover is needed? Presumably you're saying that Ramsdale should be above Long in the pecking order? If so then shouldn't he be on the bench in preparation of Moore being injured?

 

[Rodders]

Saw the thread title, thought Kev is building MORE flats

 

[BushBlade]

I think he should go out on loan from January Bush.

Long is more than capable of sitting on the bench in case of emergencies. If Moore has a serious injury then we can recall Ramsdale back. As far as i am aware keepers can be brought back from a loan straight away.

I think we all agree that to improve and progress you need to play games.

I tend to agree but as IIYB has pointed out, if we lose Moore through injury we're dependent on Long. And I'm not sure who'd then sit on the bench.

My other concern is that I've always thought Long was introduced too early. He wasn't ready for first team football and should never have played the number of games he did under Wilson. I think it's damaged him mentally. I don't want the same to happen to Ramsdale.

And if there was a choice between getting promoted or developing young players, 99% of our support would chose promotion.

 

[larkymasher]

I understand your point larky, but what happens during a game if Moore is injured and cover is needed? Presumably you're saying that Ramsdale should be above Long in the pecking order? If so then shouldn't he be on the bench in preparation of Moore being injured?

Thats the problem pal. He is above Long in the pecking order but he needs to be playing.

I think Long is more than good enough cover through a game if Moore gets injured. Then Ramsdale would be called back and Long back on the bench.

I just think it will be harder for Ramsdale to progress sitting on the bench every week.

 

[BushBlade]

Saw the thread title, thought Kev is building MORE flats

Ah, the Ramsdale Development, to follow on from the Mr Grimsdale Hotel Development.

 

[BushBlade]

Thats the problem pal. He is above Long in the pecking order but he needs to be playing.

I think Long is more than good enough cover through a game if Moore gets injured. Then Ramsdale would be called back and Long back on the bench.

I just think it will be harder for Ramsdale to progress sitting on the bench every week.

We won't be able to call him back though mate, it would be a half season loan. Unless some team needs an emergency loan, which could be something we could take advantage of.

 

[larkymasher]

I tend to agree but as IIYB has pointed out, if we lose Moore through injury we're dependent on Long. And I'm not sure who'd then sit on the bench.

My other concern is that I've always thought Long was introduced too early. He wasn't ready for first team football and should never have played the number of games he did under Wilson. I think it's damaged him mentally. I don't want the same to happen to Ramsdale.

And if there was a choice between getting promoted or developing young players, 99% of our support would chose promotion.

100% promotion is the priority.... would never argue with that pal.

This lad is now doing his stuff with England, which in turn puts him on the Premier League radar... We kind of know where this will end.

Keepers can come back from loans straight away so Long would have to cover 1 match if Moore got injured during the game. Ramsdale would get called back and Long back on to the bench.

It means we are still going for promotion and we are still pushing on Ramsdale......

 

[larkymasher]

We won't be able to call him back though mate, it would be a half season loan. Unless some team needs an emergency loan, which could be something we could take advantage of.

In that case Bush i will polity bow out at this stage of proceedings and say.. " Keep Ramsdale on the bench"

 

[GrayBlade]

I think he should go out on loan from January Bush.

Long is more than capable of sitting on the bench in case of emergencies. If Moore has a serious injury then we can recall Ramsdale back. As far as i am aware keepers can be brought back from a loan straight away.

I think we all agree that to improve and progress you need to play games.

Noooooo, unless you're 100% right about the immediate recall, and I'm not sure that it's the case now.

If anything happens to Moore, we could be facing the unthinkable scenario of Long back in goal for the run in, just when we will need to be at our best. It's what my worst nightmares are made of.

 

[BigBed]

I believe this is where we slipped up with Long to be fair, he should've gone out on loan instead of into the first team straight away, I know he had the odd spell out, but Howard was doing a job at the time and I think it was to much for long, and as we've seen, he's crumbled.
He should be out on loan now instead of second choice bench warmer.

 

[BushBlade]

100% promotion is the priority.... would never argue with that pal.

This lad is now doing his stuff with England, which in turn puts him on the Premier League radar... We kind of know where this will end.

Keepers can come back from loans straight away so Long would have to cover 1 match if Moore got injured during the game. Ramsdale would get called back and Long back on to the bench.

It means we are still going for promotion and we are still pushing on Ramsdale......

If he's playing for England and doing well on loan at a L2 club or even a lower L1 club, he'll be even more tempting to PL clubs. Like DCL was. That's the risk.

 

[larkymasher]

With Moore playing so well and with a 3 year contract it is not realistic for a young keeper to be sitting on the bench week in week out for which could be quite some time.
At some point he will need games.
If all goes well this season ( pray to god ) i can see Ramsdale going on loan to L1,L2 next season to gain experience and we sign a well travelled experienced back up keeper for our stint back in the championship.

I think i may have solved my own thread.

 

[Enigmatic]

I don't profess to know much about developing footballers, but I think we're handling Ramsdale well. He's 18, and arguably not quite ready for regular League One football just yet. However, he's on the bench every week, which gives him the possibility of game time should something (hopefully not) happen to Moore. More importantly, he's involved in the first team experience. He's in the dressing room, he's on the coach to away games, he's training with the first team, he's on the bench. At this stage that involvement is enough. Supplemented of course with some game time as well, which he has been getting. As BushBlade said, it can damage young players by playing too much and too soon.

 

[Karaoke Blade]

I don't profess to know much about developing footballers, but I think we're handling Ramsdale well. He's 18, and arguably not quite ready for regular League One football just yet. However, he's on the bench every week, which gives him the possibility of game time should something (hopefully not) happen to Moore. More importantly, he's involved in the first team experience. He's in the dressing room, he's on the coach to away games, he's training with the first team, he's on the bench. At this stage that involvement is enough. Supplemented of course with some game time as well, which he has been getting. As BushBlade said, it can damage young players by playing too much and too soon.

Agree. The lad is gaining experience simply by being part of the first team set up at such an early age. He always looks enthusiastic and ... well, happy to be involved. Don't see any reason to change this. And who knows, when we are 15 points clear with 4 games to go, he can always get a game.