QPR FFP

[Tom Bott]

Good fun over on Pork talk though as some finally begin to realise that they have no players coming in because they are under a transfer embargo for being £ 50 million in debt over 3 years.
More will be revealed on Tue/Wed after the accounts of all the championship clubs have been scrutinised.

 

[mancunianblade]

FFP is a joke in its current form. But it “could” do great things.

Man City are a good example of creative accounting, the Sheiks brother owns Etihad for example so draw your own conclusions there they also have a bridge sponsored by Nexon connecting the stadium to the training complex.. I mean a sponsored bridge FFS.

But they’re employ a LOT of people And they’re currently developing what was one of the nose deprived areas of the city they pretty much own all the land from the stadium done to the city centre apparently with intentions to build and develop on it..

They have built a college and have plans to build a sports university and they’re generally doing great things for the city and the surrounding area.

So here is my point FFP will never be implemented properly as there are too many loopholes allowing for it to be bypassed. Clubs buying success is by no means a new idea either. So why not allow clubs to start projects locally that are monitored, heavy investment In the local economy by the club buys them FFP room..at least this way the Chinese, Arab, American money actually leaves the four walls of the stadium and into the local communities. Basically transparent bribes.

 

[Liverpool blade]

FFP will never be implemented properly as clubs get their lawyers on the case to find all the loopholes and exploit them!!. Would love to see the piggies get in bother over this but tuna man will just invent another ghost company and the FA will be none the wiser. The whole system is corrupt and will get worse!!. UTB

 

[Agreasychipbutty]

Personally, I think FFP is a load of bollocks. If a rich owner wants to blow a load of money on players then why shouldn’t they be allowed to?

How can some clubs ever hope to compete at higher levels without money? Is it right to deny a club such as Bournemouth the opportunity to play in the Premier League because their rich owners isn’t allowed to invest in the team?

I think the point is to make teams earn their place, what's to stop a bilionaire buying yovil town, and giving them barcas squad, teams have to build up rather than just buy their way into the premium.

 

[YES Blade]

I think the point is to make teams earn their place, what's to stop a bilionaire buying yovil town, and giving them barcas squad, teams have to build up rather than just buy their way into the premium.

I wouldn't have any issue if a billionaire decided to blow loads of money at Yeovil and got them into the Champions League, in mu opinion the only people who have an issue are those who are jealous that it's not their club getting the investment.

Teams can build up, but they're always reach their glass ceiling, without breaking FFP the status quo will never be challenged.

 

[robbiez666]

FFP is a tricky one for me. It basically stops smaller teams from ever realising a dream.Surely that's one of the biggest attractions to football? It basically maintains the status quo unless teams are prepared to gamble and break the rules. It's fairly new so I can understand the fairly low levels of fines so far. The last thing the FA want to do is put a club out of business. FFP is meant to do the opposite. If clubs have rich owners who break FFP and then disappear, they're basically screwed unless they can find other rich owners. It's the fans who suffer, not the owners.

In terms of the punishment. I think a transfer embargo is a very effective first level punishment. Clubs with players on big wages will know that they can't simply get rid of players because they will have no way of replacing them. Therefore they're stuck with what they have funding a huge wage bill or have a weaker team. Fines are also a decent disincentive.They're fairly low at the moment but hopefully they will rise. I do think the next step will be taking 10 points of teams if they breach twice. A third time should end in relegation.

I don;t think FFP currently works. It punishes those who don't break the rules as well as those who do.

 

[grafikhaus]

How can that be fair? You might as well cherry pick the 20 so called biggest clubs and create a franchise system with no relegation.

FFP is a tricky one for me. It basically stops smaller teams from ever realising a dream.

I'm not sure that's entirely down to FFP - more to do with parachute payments. I don't think the PL is happy having dross like Bournemouth, Watford, Burnley, Palace etc. in their private club, after all they're not going to win it. Chances are they'll not win the FA Cup or League Cup either. Their sole aim is 40 points. The PL would far rather have teams like Wolves, Villa, Derby etc. in there. Parachute payments are creating a 'league-within-a-league' in The Championship (and Wednesday ain't invited ). It's purely a 'the rich get richer' vehicle.

Football in this country stinks and will get worse. The second-highest spenders in the PL this year are West Ham (£89.6m this summer alone). How? They never win owt, but it sure helps not having to fund your own stadium.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

I wouldn't have any issue if a billionaire decided to blow loads of money at Yeovil and got them into the Champions League, in mu opinion the only people who have an issue are those who are jealous that it's not their club getting the investment.

Teams can build up, but they're always reach their glass ceiling, without breaking FFP the status quo will never be challenged.

The point is FFP is supposed to level the playing field in order for Bournemouths, Yeovils etc to stand a chance under the right infrastructure. FFP has both cemented the already rich clubs into an untouchable position, and introduced a billionaires members club, without punishment so long as you have the cash. It's not about jealousy, it's about stopping football becoming more of a playground for the super-rich. You shouldn't be able to just buy Bournemouth, buy promotion, jump the queue ahead of clubs that maybe favour youth development, then once you've unfairly advanced the club 20 years into the future, pay 1/10th of the riches you've acquired.
Likewise, the already rich clubs shouldn't have a system that builds a financial barrier around them to strangle any challenge to their dominance, even if the fines are a joke.

 

[Isar]

This is the only way to properly punish rich teams. The fines mean nothing.

Agree.
Every one million overspend equaling a point deduction would soon have clubs looking more closely at their spending strategy.

 

[YES Blade]

The point is FFP is supposed to level the playing field in order for Bournemouths, Yeovils etc to stand a chance under the right infrastructure. FFP has both cemented the already rich clubs into an untouchable position, and introduced a billionaires members club, without punishment so long as you have the cash. It's not about jealousy, it's about stopping football becoming more of a playground for the super-rich. You shouldn't be able to just buy Bournemouth, buy promotion, jump the queue ahead of clubs that maybe favour youth development, then once you've unfairly advanced the club 20 years into the future, pay 1/10th of the riches you've acquired.
Likewise, the already rich clubs shouldn't have a system that builds a financial barrier around them to strangle any challenge to their dominance, even if the fines are a joke.

In Bournemouth’s nearly 100 year history they had a stint in the 80s in the 2nd tier and this current spell is the only time they have ever played in the top tier.

If you think Bournemouth would have ever made it to the Premier League without money, then you are clearly deluded!

 

[A Storm of Blades]

In Bournemouth’s nearly 100 year history they had a stint in the 80s in the 2nd tier and this current spell is the only time they have ever played in the top tier.

If you think Bournemouth would have ever made it to the Premier League without money, then you are clearly deluded!

And? No club has a divine right to reach the top league. There are plenty of clubs the size of Bournemouth in non-league that would give anything to get to L2 nevermind the Premier League. The point is, it shouldn't be as easy as flashing your billionaire's membership card and you can jump the line, especially if your 100 year infrastructure shows you're not ready for it otherwise. And maybe if FFP was implemented properly, we wouldn't have a ridiculously inflated transfer market and wages beyond anything approaching sustainable, and clubs like Bournemouth would have a much better chance of getting to the top, without investment from obscenely rich investors.

 

[YES Blade]

And? No club has a divine right to reach the top league. There are plenty of clubs the size of Bournemouth in non-league that would give anything to get to L2 nevermind the Premier League. The point is, it shouldn't be as easy as flashing your billionaire's membership card and you can jump the line, especially if your 100 year infrastructure shows you're not ready for it otherwise. And maybe if FFP was implemented properly, we wouldn't have a ridiculously inflated transfer market and wages beyond anything approaching sustainable, and clubs like Bournemouth would have a much better chance of getting to the top, without investment from obscenely rich investors.

Agreed no club has a divine right to reach the top, but they should also be given a chance.

It’s not about it being the easy route, the billionaire spending big money is the only route for clubs like Bournemouth, 100 years of history proves this.

 

[robbiez666]

Plus, the only way you can really use FFP properly is to overhaul the academy system to stop the big clubs just punching players for a pittance. How is any club meant to reach the top flight without buying their way there if they can't invest in development without the risk of just losing that talent? Ipswich, for example, have had two of their kids stolen recently by Arsenal and Man City. How are you meant to compete against the bigger clubs without being able to develop your own?