PURE crap

[sheffielder]

Whether this is the league cup or not I expect when putting out a team which is close to being the strongest to get a few shots on goal, have some pride to try..

I am not sure what Mr McCabe will think about losing a revenue stream so easily. The cup runs of teh 2003 season led this club to where we could compete for promotion.

The team was practically at full strength and went out without a wimper.... and although not dampened my feelings to what I think will be a good season however has put Blackwell on the back foot already for Saturday.

 

[Darthblade]

Who else would like to see blades do well in a cup run ? (since warnock), instead of playing a team like Hartlepool, and if im not mistaken most of the team that played tonight was actually our first team? anyone else worried? or is everyone resigned to the fact we are hopeless in the cup since warnock days?

Now I feel an obligation to step in here and offer some support for our under-fire manager, at this early stage of the season.
There is no shame at all in losing and being totally outplayed by a top side, filled with international players, with the cream of the worlds youth policy at their disposal, in front of a massive partisan crowd and managed by a vastly experienced tactical genius!! Oh, my mistake, it was Hartlepool ......................

But ..... it is of course a "blessing in disguise" says the master tactician, who has been described as the Mourinho of the Championship. Well, at least we played flowing, attractive, entertaining football though didn't we? Didn't we .........

Hoofy doesnt change his spots!!
UTB

 

[Kenilworth]

Question is: Which Team Will React On Saturday?

The manner of the defeat and the lack of a goal threat are the two things that concern me most from last night.

Form is not like turning a lightswitch on or off and back on again. Confidence can come to a striker by bagging a couple of goals in a game against weaker opposition and this can spur them on for their league performances. Scoring is a habit for strikers. Habits can be broken or perpetuated.

Perspective
Can anyone honestly expect the likes of Ferguson or Wenger being happy about their sides crashing out of a cup competition to lower league opposition and not mustering a meaningful attempt on goal - whether they play their kids or not? Why should we settle for anythingless even though we are no where near their standard?

Reaction
Both the Blades and QPR got badly dumped this week. The acid test is to see which set of players reacts the best on Saturday. If QPR spank us after being happy slapped by Vale on Tuuesday night and we roll over and let them then that is the time to be concerned. Very concerned.

I know that QPR are one of the fancied teams this year but they put 4 past the dingles on opening day and I expect that Warnock will have them all fired up for the weekend. Blackewell - I am not so sure.

Clean Sheet Paddy?
Paddy looked shocking from the highlights I saw for the goals Vale scored on Tuesday - what's the betting he will keep a clean sheet on Saturday? Well, if we create as little as we have done in the previous two games (speaking about before we went down to 10 men at Cardiff - two attempts) then I think his chances are pretty high.

 

[SoccerCynic]

We were poor on Sunday and we were crap last night...what is the future. Anyone who approaches a game not caring if they lose is a loser. Remember that the captain issued a rallying call before the game...what was the response to that?

 

[alcoblade]

I'm not bothered that we lost
I'm not bothered that we're out of that cup
I'm not bothered that it was to lower league opposition

I'm gutted that it seems we are no more able, or willing, to hold the ball and play with any intelligence. If you were happy with last season then last night means nothing. If you wanted or expected change, be very worried.

UTB

 

[LouTheBlade]

Lou is only bothered about the FA Cup, raul.

Do you have anything constructive to add? Read the post properly and you would see that's not what I'm saying at all.

 

[Grecian2000]

Do you have anything constructive to add? Read the post properly and you would see that's not what I'm saying at all.

The secret really is not taking yourself, and indeed many others on here, too seriously. You'd get far less wound up.

 

[LouTheBlade]

If that's how you feel then fair enough, but what values would you ascribe to, say, Stoke, or Bolton, or Blackburn, or Birmingham?

If football is to retain any values whatsoever, football needs to be competitive. You go to a game because you want to see your side beat the other, to progress to the next round, to climb the table, to pit themselves against other teams with similar aims. To not enter the fray wanting to be the best you can be is somthing I just can't comprehend. Everything about the club save the playing element of it screams Premiership, but what was the point of it all if we go down the inverted snobbery route becase we think "they won't like us"?

I dont know a great deal about those clubs day to day raul and I'm talking about ours. I do however know that those clubs have become a part of the perpetual cycle of mediocrity in the PL which houses 14-15 clubs who never have a hope of winning the competition they are so desperate to stay in. I don't think anyone would expect you to comprehend a lack of ambition and I am not suggesting United shouldn't strive. I dont know how I can put it more plainly really. To be as blunt as I can be..........

I want United to be the best they can be but I have grown to dislike the Premier League. I dislike the adminstration and running of it. I dislike many of the players in it. I dislike the unbalanced level of competition in it and I dislike the kind of publicity it's personalities generate.

I want United to win and be succesful but the prize has lost its edge. It isn't that I don't want it, it is more that I accept our ultimate prize is tainted.

 

[davidpinder]

I dont know a great deal about those clubs day to day raul and I'm talking about ours. I do however know that those clubs have become a part of the perpetual cycle of mediocrity in the PL which houses 14-15 clubs who never have a hope of winning the competition they are so desperate to stay in. I don't think anyone would expect you to comprehend a lack of ambition and I am not suggesting United shouldn't strive. I dont know how I can put it more plainly really. To be as blunt as I can be..........

I want United to be the best they can be but I have grown to dislike the Premier League. I dislike the adminstration and running of it. I dislike many of the players in it. I dislike the unbalanced level of competition in it and I dislike the kind of publicity it's personalities generate.

I want United to win and be succesful but the prize has lost its edge. It isn't that I don't want it, it is more that I accept our ultimate prize is tainted.

I agree with that Lou i have similar feelings towards the premier league. Just ask West Brom fans, What do Blackburn, Fulham, Stoke have to look forward to this season? However ask a lot of fans if united were not to get promotion this season what would they like to see? Most would probably answer Good football and we don't even get that.

 

[LouTheBlade]

The secret really is not taking yourself, and indeed many others on here, too seriously. You'd get far less wound up.

Who's taking things seriously? All of my posts this morning have been attempts to make people look on the bright side and chill out over last night's result. I can promise you I'm not the slightest bit wound up as I'm not the type

I just have a rule about not letting people put words in my mouth (or my posts). If anyone takes football and indeed this forum too seriously, it is you fellas in the Blackwell bashing group. Although it provides me with a good source of amusing entertainment

You're right though that is good advice.........maybe I should offer it to the Blackwell knockers who get wound up every time someone defends the manager? What do you think?

 

[Revolution]

Do you have anything constructive to add?

No, I found the post and the "let's embrace and celebrate mediocraty and underachievement" group hug pathetic, to be frank.

 

[LouTheBlade]

Do you have anything constructive to add?

No, I found the post and the "let's embrace and celebrate mediocraty and underachievement" group hug pathetic, to be frank.

I agree that concept is pathetic. Who suggested it?

As I said, read the post properly. It is an objective look at the Premier League and why (although it is still the prize we should strive for) it has lost its sparkle as an attractive prize - not just to me, but to other fans as proved on the other thread. No one has said that we should pack up and settle for mediocrity.

I once heard a wise person say "you hear, but you don't listen" - how can that be put into the context of an internet forum post?

 

[Micalijo]

I agree with that Lou i have similar feelings towards the premier league. Just ask West Brom fans, What do Blackburn, Fulham, Stoke have to look forward to this season? However ask a lot of fans if united were not to get promotion this season what would they like to see? Most would probably answer Good football and we don't even get that.

Agree about the good football but I am almost certain Stoke fans will be very much looking forward to seeing many of the world's best players come to town. So what if they can't win the league - they never did do in the good old days.

 

[Mad Mick]

I must say I'm not a fan of the League Cup. I'm not surprised we lost, players and manager don't seem bothered. I do think though they are missing a trick. There are times when winning can become a habit as can losing.
Also its the way we lost, no passion, no cohesion. As already said if we win against QPR no one will care about the Hartlepool's of this world. But if we lose then people, players and managers will start to get worried.
I think the players and managers need to wake up and smell the coffee and see these games as an opportunity, not as a waste of time.

 

[Micalijo]

I agree that concept is pathetic. Who suggested it?

As I said, read the post properly. It is an objective look at the Premier League and why (although it is still the prize we should strive for) it has lost its sparkle as an attractive prize - not just to me, but to other fans as proved on the other thread. No one has said that we should pack up and settle for mediocrity.

I once heard a wise person say "you hear, but you don't listen" - how can that be put into the context of an internet forum post?

However you dress it Lou, it is fair to say (even if we are misjudging you) from reading your posts that you don't really want us to achieve a situation where we are mid-table in Premier. I simply cannot understand how the current situation and playing Scunthorpe and Barnsley can be preferable to the Premier League.

I totally agree that Richards and Scudamore are a disgrace but we were in the wrong place at the wrong time re Tevez and there is no persecution as such - although I do feel referees view us a dirty side etc iof that is what you are getting at a bit.

 

[norfolkblade]

The only people I feel sorry for in all this are the fans that turned up to support us last night. 2 shots on target in 90 mins, and a 2-0 defeat to Hartlepool is a bit of a sickener in my eyes, however, this is why I don't waste my time or money going to Carling Cup games.
It's basically a non-event for pretty much the whole Premier League who generally field ressies and youngsters, and also about 75% of Championship teams too.
If this was to happen in the FA Cup however, then I would be a lot more annoyed about it.
But all in all, let's face it, Blackwell is clearly more interested in trying to do well in the league this season, hence the lack of performance last night, truth is, he can't win with some people. He could have gone 110% full strength into last nights game, and perhaps lost a key player or 2 to injuries, then what would be said.

 

[LouTheBlade]

However you dress it Lou, it is fair to say (even if we are misjudging you) from reading your posts that you don't really want us to achieve a situation where we are mid-table in Premier. I simply cannot understand how the current situation and playing Scunthorpe and Barnsley can be preferable to the Premier League.

My point just isn't hitting home is it? I'm not trying to dress anything Mic my post was quite straight forward..........

I want United to go up and stay up because we have to strive to improve - I recognise that and endorse the idea fully.

I am not as excited about the prospect as I used to be because of my views on the Premier League - the reward is tainted for me.

Does that make it understandable? I cant be much clearer mic and I never even mentioned the Tevez affair.

 

[Micalijo]

My point just isn't hitting home is it? I'm not trying to dress anything Mic my post was quite straight forward..........

I want United to go up and stay up because we have to strive to improve - I recognise that and endorse the idea fully.

I am not as excited about the prospect as I used to be because of my views on the Premier League - the reward is tainted for me.

Does that make it understandable? I cant be much clearer mic and I never even mentioned the Tevez affair.

Yes, I'm sure you do want us to go up - totally understand that

No Blade can say he dislikes the 'administration and running of it' without meaning Tevez, or at least having it in mind. If you didn't mean that SUFC are hard done by in Prem then what did you mean - you dislike Scudamore so we shouldn't enjoy Prem football? Surely working class clubs should be striving to stick it up people like Scudamore.

I just think that in trying to sit on the fence so much you have got yer sen a bit confused. If you are saying you would just go home after a promotion win rather than go out and celebrate then what's the point in supporting a football club?

If I am ever again sat in the boozer waiting for us to play Man City at BDTBL I will not be worrying about the administration of the Premier League and I don't think many Blades will.

 

[LouTheBlade]

Yes, I'm sure you do want us to go up - totally understand that

No Blade can say he dislikes the 'administration and running of it' without meaning Tevez, or at least having it in mind. If you didn't mean that SUFC are hard done by in Prem then what did you mean - you dislike Scudamore so we shouldn't enjoy Prem football? Surely working class clubs should be striving to stick it up people like Scudamore.

I just think that in trying to sit on the fence so much you have got yer sen a bit confused. If you are saying you would just go home after a promotion win rather than go out and celebrate then what's the point in supporting a football club?

If I am ever again sat in the boozer waiting for us to play Man City at BDTBL I will not be worrying about the administration of the Premier League and I don't think many Blades will.

Sigh. I'm going to have to walk away from this after this post because whatever language I'm putting it in, you're twisting it to mean something else..........

Agreed, the Tevez affair irked all Blades. I happen to think it wasn't the main factor in our relegation but I'm not opening that can of worms. It was however a scandalous event of rule breaking and one which didnt help us at all. But my views on the PL go far deeper than just West Ham and Scudamore. Why you've brought Scudamore into it I dont know - again never mentioned him! I've highlighted the things I dislike about the top flight and most had little to do with United so I'm not going through them again.

What is it about my opinion on this that you deem to be "sitting on the fence" or "confused?" My point was quite clear and my stance was quite firm. I WANT UNITED TO GO UP but I RESENT THE COMPETITION WE WOULD BE PLAYING IN (for the above reasons). There is nothing grey about those statements mic, they're black and white whilst being very firm opinions so I struggle to see how it appears as sitting on the fence.

When did I say I wouldn't celebrate? You're putting words in my mouth mic. Clearly this isnt a case of my statement having any ambiguity. It is more a case of you not having the slightest clue where I'm coming from, but I suppose if such things dont concern you then you would find the two seperate ideas hard to relate. The bit I'm struggling with is why I HAVE to love the Premier League and view it as utopia, simply because I want my team to get promoted..........do I have to love it by default mic?

As for your last statement:-

"If I am ever again sat in the boozer waiting for us to play Man City at BDTBL I will not be worrying about the administration of the Premier League and I don't think many Blades will."

I can understand that as some people just want to watch the football end of. But that statement is exactly why football is riddled with short sighted administrators, fans and players and exactly why football is going down the shitter.

That's my last word on it as I fear you could go on all night mic.

 

[raul]

Why don't you want us to play in a better league Lou?

 

[LouTheBlade]

Why don't you want us to play in a better league Lou?

:lol: well timed and well played raul, that genuinely made me laugh

 

[davidpinder]

Agree about the good football but I am almost certain Stoke fans will be very much looking forward to seeing many of the world's best players come to town. So what if they can't win the league - they never did do in the good old days.

Don't get me wrong its great to see the top players (thats if they decide to play against the lesser sides), but it can't be fun being a blackburn etc fan each season must get a bit boring and as far a were concern relegation is no fun and seeing your team lose most weeks isn't either. The point of my other post was that were not even playing good football so not only are our fans seeing an average season but also bad football and with a tactically inept manager that won't change anytime soon.

 

[bricktop]

I went to Hartlepool last night, and went and wanted to see the young United side turn in a decent performance full of effort and promise but in reality it was a tame performance and we was rightly beaten.

I don't understand the reasons behind not wanting to do well in the Carling Cup, the last thing we did was the catalyst for an excellent run in the League, and also the FA Cup, and we all know confidence breeds confidence.

As for the Premiership, i can't really understand why people wouldn't like to see us in it. I would like to see us playing Premiership week in, week out and standing up and being counted against the big guns, and fighting hard and putting more celebrated noses out of joint.

 

[Kempy]

Who else would like to see blades do well in a cup run ? (since warnock), instead of playing a team like Hartlepool, and if im not mistaken most of the team that played tonight was actually our first team? anyone else worried? or is everyone resigned to the fact we are hopeless in the cup since warnock days?

Holy crap i didnt anticipate this many posts :O but anyway last night i was pretty pissed of with the bollocks performance by our lads and the shit excuses from hoofy once again . I accept the Carling Cup isn't the most glamorous cup, and out of the FA cup and the league, yes it is the last one i would choose to do well in, although as many have said the fact is the pure crap that was on display last night for a squad which whatever anybody said was not a weak squad.

There is no way in hell a second choice right back, and two youngsters one upfront and one on the wing is to blame for a SHOCKINGLY poor performance with the rest of the team "Suppose to be first team" the speach marks there are for taylor who once again proves himself to be the worst left back i have seen.

What annoys me is people telling us to keep faith and carry on because its just the carling cup , and that we'll do better at the weekend, and that we'll forget it when we start playing well and by xmas it wont be in our thoughts, but are any of you really going to pay money to watch such a poor display of football by what should be a top chapionship squad having 2!!! fucking shots on goal against a crap piggy managed team in a lower division??? cup or no cup we got out played ( practically our first team) by a team a league below us with not one player i would swap for any of ours, EVEN TAYLOR

Did anyone see the interview on sky sports with Morgs??? going on about the preperation and how if we dont keep our heads and expect it to be a walk in the park we will lose, for lack of a better phrase WHAT THE F*** WAS THAT LAST NIGHT THEN??? Morgs is my favourite player, and the shite mistake he and ertl made last night for the first goal and again Taylors shocking decision making cost us. Did anyone see the signed blades shirt by morgan on ebay? went for £40 last night...

i feel like a mug going to a game at the moment cause i generally dont feel that we are going to win or have a hope, the cardiff game for me was a surpirse we were playing reasonbly well, but the change in football hoofy was talking about... nah i think not. I feel sorry for everyone who went to the game last night paying money to see that utter crap performance... I just cant wait for hoofy to go. I just pray everynight it will come soon, cause it seems im going to have to endure a shocking season and waste money to go see the team i love and support bottle it and finish mid table

 

[alcoblade]

I went to Hartlepool last night, and went and wanted to see the young United side turn in a decent performance full of effort and promise but in reality it was a tame performance and we was rightly beaten.

Sadly, other than Lowton, it looks like I feared - the youngsters are breaking through not because they've forced it, but becuase lack of depth of quality in the squad has forced it. Too early to write them off, but absolutely nothing to suggest they're up to it, yet at least.

As I said earlier, it's not the defeat that hurt me, it's the clarification that our style of play is as one dimensional and negative as ever.

UTB

 

[bricktop]

Sadly, other than Lowton, it looks like I feared - the youngsters are breaking through not because they've forced it, but becuase lack of depth of quality in the squad has forced it. Too early to write them off, but absolutely nothing to suggest they're up to it, yet at least.

As I said earlier, it's not the defeat that hurt me, it's the clarification that our style of play is as one dimensional and negative as ever.

UTB

It was the first time i had seen anything of James and Chappell and sadly i didn't think to much to either of them on first viewing.

Not writing them off as it was the evidence of 90 minutes, and i'll need to see a lot more of them to make a considered and mesaured judgement, just on first impressions i haven't really got high hopes just yet about either of them

 

[Kenilworth]

The manner of the defeat and the lack of a goal threat are the two things that concern me most from last night.

Form is not like turning a lightswitch on or off and back on again. Confidence can come to a striker by bagging a couple of goals in a game against weaker opposition and this can spur them on for their league performances. Scoring is a habit for strikers. Habits can be broken or perpetuated.

Perspective
Can anyone honestly expect the likes of Ferguson or Wenger being happy about their sides crashing out of a cup competition to lower league opposition and not mustering a meaningful attempt on goal - whether they play their kids or not? Why should we settle for anythingless even though we are no where near their standard?

Reaction
Both the Blades and QPR got badly dumped this week. The acid test is to see which set of players reacts the best on Saturday. If QPR spank us after being happy slapped by Vale on Tuuesday night and we roll over and let them then that is the time to be concerned. Very concerned.

I know that QPR are one of the fancied teams this year but they put 4 past the dingles on opening day and I expect that Warnock will have them all fired up for the weekend. Blackewell - I am not so sure.

Clean Sheet Paddy?
Paddy looked shocking from the highlights I saw for the goals Vale scored on Tuesday - what's the betting he will keep a clean sheet on Saturday? Well, if we create as little as we have done in the previous two games (speaking about before we went down to 10 men at Cardiff - two attempts) then I think his chances are pretty high.

Oooooh the acid is burning.

IT'S BURNING IT TELL YOU. BURNING!