Professional athletes

[Nick Jansky]

This, he's the classic Wilder plan A - just as Ndiaye. Hope to christ he scores…..

Ndiaye wasn’t any sort of plan for Wilder. He hardly played under him.

 

[GymClassHero]

Amongst all the reasons for our crapness, I just can’t believe that our two goalscoring threats ie Hamer & Campbell do not put in the conditioning work required to last a 90 minute game of football.

In worldwide terms, the championship is in the elite level of football. United pays commensurate salaries. Yet in working week terms these two effectively clock off midway through Wednesday afternoon. Every single game. Imagine doing that in your job….

Why can’t our two best players be professional enough to be at 100% - or close to it - for the full match?

It's absolutely baffling and unacceptable. Their job spec is to play football matches... Which are 90 mins. I just can't wrap my head around how two professional athletes at nearly the highest levels, can't complete 90 mins of football. It's criminal.

 

[Brian Deane]

Yes, but even eating a load of shit shouldn't undo all the fitness work.

The players must get weighed regularly, and athletes must "need" anywhere from 4000 calories a day+

That will depend on what they are eating.
Too much protein, not enough Carbs etc etc but you would think that somewhere within the club there should be a dietitian and a nutritionist to help the players manage intake v output and eating /drinking the right things approaching a game so they have the energy levels at the right time.

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

That will depend on what they are eating.
Too much protein, not enough Carbs etc etc but you would think that somewhere within the club there should be a dietitian and a nutritionist to help the players manage intake v output and eating /drinking the right things approaching a game so they have the energy levels at the right time.

I'd think it must be hard to get unfit as a professional footballer at that level.

Getting told what to eat, when to eat it, all the fitness monitoring. Massages on tap. Naps to aid recovery.

For sure it's bloody hard work, but that's the job isn't it.

 

[The Crab]

Aye I'd agree but the fact most here are writing on a football forum whilst at work doesn't suggest we're best placed to answer this one.

You’re not wrong.

I’ll just add, they’re paid to be fit.

We’re just paid to turn up…

 

[Tickhill Blade]

Yes, but even eating a load of shit shouldn't undo all the fitness work.

The players must get weighed regularly, and athletes must "need" anywhere from 4000 calories a day+

Something tells me Campbell is not burning 4000 calories a day . He may well be consuming them though

 

[Sky Blues]

For all those knocking Hamer just consider one thing. You hardly ever play him in his best position or support him where needed.

He is a rare player that would improve our present team. He would be given a free role in the middle with support on both sides. He wouldn't be wasting energy chasing everything down.

We'd be happy to buy him back and he'd be happy to come back in the present situation. He'd be the final piece of the jigsaw we need. We would just ban him from all the kebab houses

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

For all those knocking Hamer just consider one thing. You hardly ever play him in his best position or support him where needed.

He is a rare player that would improve our present team. He would be given a free role in the middle with support on both sides. He wouldn't be wasting energy chasing everything down.

We'd be happy to buy him back and he'd be happy to come back in the present situation. He'd be the final piece of the jigsaw we need. We would just ban him from all the kebab houses

Coventry could be back in the big time, it'd be like 1987 all over again.

Fat Frank would be tossing his turkey.

 

[The Crab]

For all those knocking Hamer just consider one thing. You hardly ever play him in his best position or support him where needed.

He is a rare player that would improve our present team. He would be given a free role in the middle with support on both sides. He wouldn't be wasting energy chasing everything down.

We'd be happy to buy him back and he'd be happy to come back in the present situation. He'd be the final piece of the jigsaw we need. We would just ban him from all the kebab houses

Good luck with that, he loves a kebab

 

[NAP]

I have seen several league 1 and 2 fixtures this season and seen players at full blast at 90+minutes. We have the ability but not had the stamina to last 90 minutes for some time - would be nice to have both!

 

[AnstonBlade1]

Literally paid thousands of pounds a week to be fit.

 

[Super Furry Blades]

Back in the 1970's players used to play every game of the season and 90 minutes of every game.

Only two substitutes were allowed.

Now we have 5 substitutes allowed, as forward players are expected to exert more, therefore need substituting they tire.

All the players wear sports bra's which provide information in real time regarding heart rate, acceleration time and others allowing sideline staff to see who is tiring and may need substituting.

I think it was only 1 substitute mate ,from memory.

 

[Super Furry Blades]

I think it was only 1 substitute mate ,from memory.

1987 it was increased to 2 ...

 

[Half Bond Jls]

Honestly think Wilder will start cracking down on the shirkers and the wasters very soon.

He cant rip into anybody whilever we're struggling for confidence and fitness etc.

His patience though will only last a limited amount of time.

Some of the newer players are gonna get a very rude awakening.

I wish someone would gee them up.

 

[CornwallBlade]

Ndiaye wasn’t any sort of plan for Wilder. He hardly played under

Ndiaye wasn’t any sort of plan for Wilder. He hardly played under him.

Fair comment and i stand corrected but you have to agree that, bar Gus doing something magical, there is scant evidence of a cohesive tactical plan to score goals?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Fair comment and i stand corrected but you have to agree that, bar Gus doing something magical, there is scant evidence of a cohesive tactical plan to score goals?

Yes, I agree. Tactically, we are shite.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Yes, but even eating a load of shit shouldn't undo all the fitness work.

The players must get weighed regularly, and athletes must "need" anywhere from 4000 calories a day+

It depends on the type of athlete, 4000 is a lot in comparison with Rugby players that "bulk up" with 5000 calories a day. I think some of the squad need to work on their core fitness. Most footballers average 10-12km per match ( 6.2-7.5) across 90 minutes. I am nowhere near a professional athlete but have run a sub 1hour 10km run granted that was continuous and not sprints and stops with walks however the distances expected over 90 minutes aren't that much especially if you are doing this professionally. One of my running mates does 10km in 42 mins and he is 56, he isn't pro either.

 

[toledo]

I hope it changes quickly but look back on this seasons games: players don't move into space, they don't track back and they certainly don't go full speed forward.

They are not coached to run for 90 minutes as the tactical plan last year worked on defensive formations: 4-5-1. 3-4-2-1, etc

The plan, until it imploaded in the week from hell, was to simply stay in games, keep possession of the ball but do not get into a run and gun game because you don't have the fitness to do that.

This type of safety plan took us through to the week we lost 3 games. The lack of fitness happened at Wembley as well.

CW has to see this. If there are gaps in the club's coaching ranks like nutricialists or speed coaching, fix it.

Forget stats, forget AI, go back and do all the work on the training field for more than 2 hours every other day.

I get so angry when I hear that this player can't play more than 45 minutes, or that player needs his minutes planned, or another player has to be yanked after 60 minutes to 'protect' from from playing 2 games in 2 weeks....

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

toledo

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

It depends on the type of athlete, 4000 is a lot in comparison with Rugby players that "bulk up" with 5000 calories a day. I think some of the squad need to work on their core fitness. Most footballers average 10-12km per match ( 6.2-7.5) across 90 minutes. I am nowhere near a professional athlete but have run a sub 1hour 10km run granted that was continuous and not sprints and stops with walks however the distances expected over 90 minutes aren't that much especially if you are doing this professionally. One of my running mates does 10km in 42 mins and he is 56, he isn't pro either.

If we're comparing times, I've done a 36 minute 10k. Was about 20 years ago mind, and on the flattest 10km course in history (Lincoln 10k).

Age and eating put paid to my running career .

The 4000 calories was a bit loose, I guess my point was if they're training "right", and the club should ensure that, it's hard to get out of shape on a few bad meals.

 

[TJ blade]

Literally paid thousands of pounds a week to be fit.

And there know were near ffs! As last season.

 

[LBA_Blade]

If we're comparing times, I've done a 36 minute 10k. Was about 20 years ago mind, and on the flattest 10km course in history (Lincoln 10k).

Age and eating put paid to my running career .

The 4000 calories was a bit loose, I guess my point was if they're training "right", and the club should ensure that, it's hard to get out of shape on a few bad meals.

That's good going to be fair even on a flat course! My best was on the Leeds 10K still fairly flat. It is bizarre that their stamina isn't there. I can understand it a bit for the 35+ year olds that might not be able to give 90 mins due to past injuries but in your mid to late 20s there isn't an excuse.