Premier League team reduction

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SuperSonicBlade89 said:
I can see this "Super league" becoming like the old school WWF and WCW 😆. Or maybe like what rugby league is to rugby union... completely separate.

Maybe Man U and Liverpool should bugger off and become the football equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters. Nomads.

Some ideas I think are good... scrapping the league cup for one. No one really cares about it (unless you are in the final). The cup doesn't make sense anyway as it's a cup organised by the EFL... Yet PL teams play and dominate it. Maybe have it as a true EFL cup for EFL members only? That frees space for the precious big 6 at least
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Just typing the same, you're quicker on the draw than me.
 

Rick parry destroyed his reputation in one zoom call ,50 pieces of silver springs to mind .chancer ,and Gary neville that great socialist has done the same .another chancer
 
The Prem should not look to any other league in Europe or beyond to try and reasonably justify reducing the league to 18 teams. England is so different to any other footballing nation as there are probably another 20 teams at least in the EFL who could realistically get 25k+ crowds and function quite comfortably in the Prem. If you take away 2 places in the top league, you’re basically taking away a potential foothold for any promoted side. When we got to the promised land, we all looked round for 3 other teams who were potentially worst than us. With 18 teams in the league that task will be much much harder.
 
Must just say that this isn't the big 6, or top 6 that are proposing this. It's only Liverpool and Man U that are proposing it.
 
They should expand the Prem not make it smaller. The 40 top teams in the country should be split into 2 leagues Prem 1 and 2. The graduated league position prize money should be thinned out and paid incrementally from the Premier Champs down to position 40 at the bottom of what is now the Championship. The 2 remaining leagues could be regionalised.
 
metalblade said:
Let the top 6 or even top 9 have their own mini league where they play each other 4x a season much like the Scottish Premiership I wonder how long the global interest in that would last, not long me thinks. When you have won the league 51 times like Celtic have it all becomes a bit meaningless and that is with a team that can't compete in Europe and would really struggle in the EPL. Top end Championship is about their level.
The format of the English game is the envy of the world even the Championship attracts more interest than the top leagues in all but a few European countries. If it is not broke don't fix it, that is not to say a few minor tweaks would not be welcome. A fairer share out of TV money for all four divisions is needed but those six richest clubs will do everything they can to make sure it doesn't cost them anything.
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Agree with this, does anyone who isn’t a bigot really care about the Old Firm these days?
 
nopigfansintown said:
This is a naked power grab. Dangle the carrot of a £250 million "moral" intervention and henceforth control the English game for eternity. This could be given purely based on future top flight revenues, over the length of the current TV deals; over an indeterminant period of time, hardly making a ripple to the current teams or this or next year's payout. It is not a great benevolent act, or huge short term sacrifice on behalf of the current clubs in the the Premier League. If enacted changes will all be in favour of the nine teams with special privileges - even more so in favour of the big six. Changes on top of the original plan will probably be done piecemeal in order to quieten down dissenters, but, in the end, we'll be left with a Spanish style game in which the big six become like the Real Madrid and Barcelona of English football. The TV deals will be divided largely between the big six, who will completely dominate the English football pyramid in a way that makes the status quo look like egalitarianism. Anybody outside of the top six will struggle to sustain themselves, and many clubs will go bust post Covid - the landscape of English football will have irrevocably changed. I'm loathe to bring politics into a football discussion, but if you look at the way the UN works, the Americans veto has meant they have effectively run the system even in votes in which they are massively outnumbered. This is no different. It's a battle for the soul of English football, and it's viability in the structure that it has existed in almost since its inception.The structure let's not forget that allowed this incredible wealth to be generated. They want the whole pie, not just most of it anymore...
By the way: If the logic they've extended for Everton, West Ham United and Southampton was extended to the 18 most consistent Premier League teams, United and Wednesday would be part of the elite junta. Funny that, eh? If this comes to pass, that's me done with football after 22 years as a season ticket holder.

Teams with the most top flight seasons: https://www.myfootballfacts.com/england_footy/football-league/seasons-in-top-flight/
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Even if it was extended to 18 I reckon it would only be seasons spent since the PL began in 1992 (you know because football never existed before then!) rather than all time Top Flight.
 
Liverpool and Man U are owned by American businessmen. From my limited experience, this is how Americans do business.
 
I would genuinely love to know how Man Utd and Liverpool fans feel about this, I am talking about actual fans who go to games, I would like to think your average working class supporter would hate this idea.

Spurs away for me made me realise that the “big 6” still do have genuine and down-to-earth supporters. I had a couple of beers with some locals and we agreed on basically everything when discussing what was wrong with “modern football”.

I would like to think if Sheffield United turned into the next Man City (£££ investment) that our supporters would hate ideas like this.
 
Danny_Blade said:
14 out of 20 clubs would have to vote for the new proposals to be approved.

TBH I don't have any idea how likely or unlikely that many would/wouldn't vote in favour for it?
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So called special status will be offered to more clubs , its` called Divide and Rule .
 
They won’t let go of their PL advantages and to go full time in a European Giants League where the likes of Bayern, Real, Barca, Juventus, and the possible resurgence of the two Milanese clubs, Dortmund, PSG, Porto, Benfica, Athletico and Ajax in case mid table beckons, with non English refs for their games. A level playing field? Ooooh no!

Parry can go with Mike Riley and fuck Joel Glazers dog.
 
Looks like a lot of desperate EFL clubs are prepared to go along with this.

I would be done with football if it went through.
 
Harry's Game said:
Looks like a lot of desperate EFL clubs are prepared to go along with this.

I would be done with football if it went through.
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Of course EFL clubs will go along with it all they see is free £££££'s But saying that £250m divided by 72 clubs isn't that much and next to nothing for a Championship level club handy if you are low down in league two mind.
 

None of this is about normal fans/supporters/spectators who go through the turnstiles every week. It's about maths and money. Say your stadium holds 50000, it's full every week, and everyone inside pays £50 a ticket. Over 19 league games this brings in £47,500,000. Seems a lot, but if you have just 3 players on £300,000 a week, that eats up the whole of the gate money (well, you'd have £700,000 left). This isn't a real example, but the reality is probably worse. You then have to find the cash to pay everyone else, from the other players to the poor sods on minimum wage cleaning the stands and bogs, AND the cash required to just run the club. The only way this can be sustained is to find a global audience who will pay, through TV rights and global tacky stuff, for what the fans in the stands can't - nearly everything.
Therefore those of us who go through the turnstiles every week don't really matter very much. We like to be there, and we like a crowd, and we think it's crap that we can have neither now. Those who run "elite " football now, don't care. Sky, BT etc are still filling their coffers and thinking of creative ways to hang onto, or create, a more global market who aren't bothered about a crowd so long as there's plastic noise and expensive "names". They haven't a clue where Manchester or Liverpool are, let alone Wolverhampton or Watford, and they don't care either.
I think what I'm getting at is that millions of people globally attach themselves to a few elite clubs, and their collective soulless billions matter far more to the people running those clubs (who, like Mr Parry, can at the same time also be the people running the game!), than the few who actually populate the grounds.
Most people like us think of football as an emotional experience because it represents (or did originally) our town, people like us, who understand it's not just about winning or being "the best " or, God forbid, "the richest ". We stand, we sing, we laugh, we cry, for us we make football what it is. The "global fans" know nothing of this, but through paying for TV and buying millions of Manure's 4th choice designer kits, they contribute far more financially than us poor saps standing or sitting in the cold and wind on a Tuesday night in February playing Huddersfield Town or Fulham. They therefore matter more.
I really enjoyed the promotion season, and I enjoyed last season till it got derailed. But I can't stand the grubbiness of the PL, where literally the only thing that seems to matter is money and power, and how those who have it just want more. I suppose it reflects society and government, but I like football to escape from that.
Sorry to ramble on (not even been drinking!), and to take such a long time to say that this is a shite idea, solely about making the obscenely rich even richer, and then expecting everyone to applaud when they chuck a few crumbs to the poor.
 
metalblade said:
Of course EFL clubs will go along with it all they see is free £££££'s But saying that £250m divided by 72 clubs isn't that much and next to nothing for a Championship level club handy if you are low down in league two mind.
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It's about £3.5m each. Bugger all. It's a bribe.
 
BushBlade said:
Liverpool and Man U are owned by American businessmen. From my limited experience, this is how Americans do business.
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This should be everyone’s major concern. American owners are using clubs as a cash cow to develop the English game along the lines of US sports business franchises.
This model takes little account of supporters who enjoy watching the game live, provided they all buy 3 burgers each during advertising breaks.
 
Harry's Game said:
Looks like a lot of desperate EFL clubs are prepared to go along with this.

I would be done with football if it went through.
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The EPL elite are dangling a carrot to poverty and debt laden EFL clubs. The price of giving up any chance of enjoying the EPL money tree, is to fall in line now, or go bust. Not much of an alternative for them.
If 250m is available now, why should the American owners of two clubs be allowed to attach strings to it?
Give the money, and 25% of future revenues to the EFL NOW. No strings or bribes involved.
This way, association football might survive and provide the EFL with a stable supporting structure and it will give teams a chance to reach the top.
Without it there will be no Bradford, Brighton, Barnsley, Swansea, Wimbledon stories you fire the imagination of young fans of the game.
If ‘pool and newton heath have their way, the rich get richer .......etc
 
People can complain all they want, but when it gets rammed down their throats on God knows how many TV channels, and when Talks port wanks itself stupid to it, they'll switch on and clap it up like gibbering seals.

I'll cancel every subscription to everything if this happens and go back to the 5 terrestrial channels if need be, and even then my TV licence will be paying Garth Crooks and jug ears.

It's the only way,
20 million people switch off and don't watch, I'm afraid the plastic foreigners won't see it the same way though
 
For me It’s not the number of teams, it’s not the money. It is the governance and giving the power to only 6 teams. In effect, they would be the bosses and the also rans, the employees. This cannot be right. Sheff Utd, you want to bring in an Oil Sheik with loads and loads of money? Hmmmmm, we don’t think they are a proper type owner for our liking so.......fuck off, you can’t have that owner. Man Utd, you want to sell to a crooked billionaire who has blood on his hands? Well, we feel he is a fit and proper person so.....ok! Welcome! I can see this type of scenario. Also, poor Liverpool and Man U have had terrible seasons and look like being relegated. I know, let’s change the rules because we can! No relegation or promotion this season......there may be another pandemic so it wouldn’t be fair! I can see it all. The big 6 pulling the strings as and when and how they like. No checks and balances. No way of avoiding their control!
 
The EPL are against it because, unlike the owners of Liverpool and Man Utd, they are involved in all the negotiations with worldwide broadcasters, and know exactly what the selling point of the Premier League is. And why they can sell it for £4-5 billion.
While the Top 6 clubs do generate interest, it isn’t just that aspect alone which generates interest and cash. If Thailand, Malaysia and all the other TV stations only paid to broadcast the big 6 games, they wouldn’t pay that much. And if you destroy the EPL’s market value - ie the whole league and all the teams, that’s exactly what those Broadcasters would want do.
Think the EPL will have a quiet word with them and show them the PowerPoint presentations for the last negotiation.
 
Food for thought from NKT of all places....


“In fairness, it's not the big 6 power grabbing (currently). Is the top two thinking of ways of making more money and they can only do it with the other 4”
 
raul said:
Interesting to note that this 250 mill is in the proposal as a "gesture of solidarity ". Nothing enshrined, nothing guaranteed. Just obscenely wealthy people preying on the desperation of the desperate.
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Nowt new there then...
 
Basically Man U have seen the impending collapse of the football pyramid to push through changes which would give them sweeping control.

The bailout of the lower leagues could easily be achieved without the need for this 9 team voting system, but I suspect they wouldn’t vote for that and the football pyramid will collapse.

The whole thing is sad really and as others have said it barely makes you want to watch it any more, never mind pay £15 to sit on your own watching football been played in an empty stadium.
 

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