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If he’s said no ins and no outs that’s good enough for me… was always going to take three windows to get it right …

However we are light in several areas but that’s gives the kids a chance

However the one big down is strikers … Moore and Brewster is a big ask especially losing Jebbo, Osula and Oli in that area .. it was one area that was glaringly obvious and hasn’t been sorted
 
Railway Blade said:
I kind of factored that into the fact we got over 100 million in TV money last year and spent about 25 million of it, whereas Burnley spent most of it. Also the 45 million in parachute payments this year and we've spent - £15 million .
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Some of that £100mil will have been budgetted for players contracts for who we signed, many of which appear to be going/gone by the end of today. Some of the parachute payments have also bought the land next to the Kop and the land for the new training ground, as well as covering the remaining wage bill. We might not have spent ours last season, but it's been spent alright. Why else would we need to sell to buy if we had surplus parachute payments remaining?
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
Why else would we need to sell to buy if we had surplus parachute payments remaining?
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I would have accepted a modest spend or even spending what we have earnt through sales but we haven't even done that.

I suppose that is the conundrum, how can the likes of Burnley and Ipswich spend a hell of a lot more than us when they go up and still stay afloat/not fall foul of PSR/FFP ?. Perhaps we are overhead heavy or pay overinflated wages.
 
nopigfansintown said:
Epic clusterfuck. Who is running SUFC and why is there no new money despite all the sales, loan outs and minimal outlay? Are we getting teed up for an Arblaster/Hamer sale. With the status quo do we have a choice if a decent offer comes in? We need 3-5 players.
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The squad looks fine to me unless of course you are dreaming of being top two
 
The only thing I'm not bothered about is no replacement for Trusty

The rest is majorly disappointing

As I've suspected may happen, our high demands for Anel and Souza have cost us

Signing no permanent players at all in the right defensive area is unbelievable. If we wanted to rebuild then that was the place to start. All we've done is loans. When Anel finally leaves (for about 3m) we'll be left with just Robinson and RND at centre back - amazing
 
Hamandcheese said:
The only thing I'm not bothered about is no replacement for Trusty

The rest is majorly disappointing

As I've suspected may happen, our high demands for Anel and Souza have cost us

Signing no permanent players at all in the right defensive area is unbelievable. If we wanted to rebuild then that was the place to start. All we've done is loans. When Anel finally leaves (for about 3m) we'll be left with just Robinson and RND at centre back - amazing
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But it's easy to criticise after the event.

Didn't Leeds offer £12 million for Hamer?
Using your logic we should have accepted because when Hamer does eventually leave we'll get 5 million.

Think it's great that we're no longer accepting below market value for our players.
If Anel and Souza show the right mentality, then they should both impress at this level.
 
Cappy said:
It's like pulling a duvet up, you sometimes want to cover your chin and keep your feet exposed and then your feet get a little bit cold.
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Nicked directly off my haberdashery patron :mad:
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
We've spent all of the money that we've made so far. It's gone on transfer fees, loan fees, wages, signing on fees, agents fees.

You've also got to remember that fees received are paid over the length of the players contract, so that has to be factored into the budget too. You don't get it in a lump sum anymore. If you did then transfer fees would drop and English football would be a lot more responsible financially and easier to regulate. If you haven't got the money then you can't spend it. Like it used to be.

£10mil for Osula over a 5 year contract is £2mil per year. We bought Burrows for £3.5mil on a 4 year deal, so we owe Peterborough £875k per season, leaving us with £1.125mil profit per season. If he's on £10k per week then that's £2mil in wages over the four years. That's another £520k gone from the remaining Osula profit from season one of the contracts to pay for Burrows wages, and that doesn't include signing on fees, agents fees etc. The money dissappears quickly.

So it's not all that simple. A £10mil fee for Osula barely covers the £3.5mil for Burrows when you factor everything else in the grand scheme. Arguably we'll have some residual funds for Burrows in this example from Osula's wages at Sheffield United and we also don't know if Burrows is on £10k per week. This was just used as an example.
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This isint true, yes all transfers arnt lump sums (some are) but what you are describing is player amortisation. This is how the buying club reflect the purchase of a player on there balance sheet/accounts and is not a true reflection on the actual structure of a transfer.
 
Railway Blade said:
I would have accepted a modest spend or even spending what we have earnt through sales but we haven't even done that.

I suppose that is the conundrum, how can the likes of Burnley and Ipswich spend a hell of a lot more than us when they go up and still stay afloat/not fall foul of PSR/FFP ?. Perhaps we are overhead heavy or pay overinflated wages.
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Yes we have. We have spent what we've sold.

We sold Traore, Osula, Bogle and got a fee for Jebbo.

That money has been reinvested in signing Moore, Burrows and Cooper as well as covering the loan fees for Souttar and Gilchrist and their wages.

Some of that money also covers the wages for these players, signing on fees and agents fees etc.

We have spent the money. In fact, we had to sell to bring in the five named players above, as we had no money to spend on fees until we sold players.

No offence, but what the hell are you talking about?

I know I can be irrational on match days during matches, but geez today has brought out some severe lack of truths, lack of understanding of football transfer finances and general ignorance, all because people are pissed off because they set unrealistic expectations for what they wanted to happen, despite a very clear pattern having been set all summer which the club has pretty much followed.

Would I have liked to have seen a left winger come in today? Yes. Did I think we'd sign one? No, other than maybe on loan, as we'd need to sell someone first and we'd unlikely get a decent fee on Trusty back compared to what we paid for him (another costly loss). Did I think the squad would be complete and ready by the end of this transfer window? No. Because we had a lot of deadwood to clear out which would require a lot of replacements coming in, and this would take more than one season. On top of that the so called takeover hasn't helped either, and I'm stunned that we signed 10 players given that rigmarole.
 
Sheffsteel said:
But it's easy to criticise after the event.

Didn't Leeds offer £12 million for Hamer?
Using your logic we should have accepted because when Hamer does eventually leave we'll get 5 million.

Think it's great that we're no longer accepting below market value for our players.
If Anel and Souza show the right mentality, then they should both impress at this level.
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But Hamer is much more important than both isn't he. So no, that is not my logic

And clearly we're asking for above market value for those two. If we weren't they would be gone. They've had all summer being obviously available.
We've done well with other sales but with these two we needed to get real much earlier. We could get good money now. Both want out. Both are replaceable. Both are likely to significantly drop in value if kept beyond this window, to an extent that doesn't apply to anyone else. They're the two special cases and their sale needed prioritising.
We can only hope they play well enough to keep us in contention. Anel I have some confidence in. Souza less so
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
Unfortunately it is the way it works these days and it is what happens. It's why football is a mess and for a while there were teams like Man City buying players on 8 year contracts to lower their outgoings so that they avoided FFP punishments.

Buy a player for £80mil on a 3 three year contract and you owe £26.6mil for the next 3 seasons. Your accounts look bad for each year. Sign him on an 8 year contract and you only owe £10mil for the next 8 seasons. Thankfully this has now been stamped out.

It's over complicated things and allows teams to spend what they haven't got as the accounts won't show the bigger picture.
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Maximum is 5 years now irrespective of length of contract
 

When's the prematch press conference for Norwich Cappy

Depending on how short/prickly or relaxed Wilder seems in the presser could give us the best indication of how the window is going.
 
jono_t2000 said:
When's the prematch press conference for Norwich Cappy

Depending on how short/prickly or relaxed Wilder seems in the presser could give us the best indication of how the window is going.
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Could be feisty after his claim at the last match that we should have 2-3 through the door by Norwich.

This is proving a stark reminder of exactly how horrendous it is to try & do business in the January transfer window.
 
Hamandcheese said:
But Hamer is much more important than both isn't he. So no, that is not my logic

And clearly we're asking for above market value for those two. If we weren't they would be gone. They've had all summer being obviously available.
We've done well with other sales but with these two we needed to get real much earlier. We could get good money now. Both want out. Both are replaceable. Both are likely to significantly drop in value if kept beyond this window, to an extent that doesn't apply to anyone else. They're the two special cases and their sale needed prioritising.
We can only hope they play well enough to keep us in contention. Anel I have some confidence in. Souza less so
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All based on conflicting evidence and assumptions made by you. If that’s an opinion fine, but if it’s evidence based, show links to prove it please.
If it helps, in my opinion, Sousa could be a liability or a success. I’m skeptical, but who really knows?
 
UddersBlade said:
Could be feisty after his claim at the last match that we should have 2-3 through the door by Norwich.

This is proving a stark reminder of exactly how horrendous it is to try & do business in the January transfer window.
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Horrendous for United, other teams don't seem to struggle.
 
Pollingtonblade said:
Horrendous for United, other teams don't seem to struggle.
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Really ? I don’t think any of the top 6 in the Championship have signed 2/3 players who will be in their starting line ups this weekend.
We didn’t struggle too much last summer and we’re better than most.
 

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