Post Brexit

[Norwood's 6 iron]

Apologies if this has been discussed before.
I seem to remember that many a year ago there was a limit as to how many foreign players a team could play in a game. I thought it was two.
When we joined the EU this all changed, under the freedom of movement rules etc etc.
Following Brexit should the FA look to again restrict the number of foreign players that a club can play.
By forcing Clubs to play more homegrown players would it help the development of British players and thus the National teams, help the smaller clubs that are prepared to develop the local youngsters.
Or would it just force the bigger clubs to invest more in their academies and just stop some of the best players in the world coming to the premier league.?

 

[Bath Blade]

Apologies if this has been discussed before.
I seem to remember that many a year ago there was a limit as to how many foreign players a team could play in a game. I thought it was two.
When we joined the EU this all changed, under the freedom of movement rules etc etc.
Following Brexit should the FA look to again restrict the number of foreign players that a club can play.
By forcing Clubs to play more homegrown players would it help the development of British players and thus the National teams, help the smaller clubs that are prepared to develop the local youngsters.
Or would it just force the bigger clubs to invest more in their academies and just stop some of the best players in the world coming to the premier league.?

The premier league is one of the country’s biggest exports, partially because we have many of the world’s best players. There’s no way it’s in anyone’s interests to change that (other than maybe the England team and they don’t have enough money to have any influence).

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Happy 10 years since Brexit, everybody!

Hope you're enjoying your sovereignty celebrations, street parties and the like.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Happy 10 years since Brexit, everybody!

Hope you're enjoying your sovereignty celebrations, street parties and the like.

Thank you I certainly am.
But no street parties for me i am quite magnanimous in Victory.
Although i do get a strange satisfaction that even after 10 years people are still blaming Brexit for all the things wrong with this country.

 

[Gimli]

Thank you I certainly am.
But no street parties for me i am quite magnanimous in Victory.
Although i do get a strange satisfaction that even after 10 years people are still blaming Brexit for all the things wrong with this country.

Ah yes, that sweet sweet sovereignty.

 

[BazWainwright]

Thank you I certainly am.
But no street parties for me i am quite magnanimous in Victory.
Although i do get a strange satisfaction that even after 10 years people are still blaming Brexit for all the things wrong with this country.

Well, on reflection, it's not exactly coated us in honey, has it?

What was it? £350m we'd save per week and shove into the NHS? How's that going?

'Take back control' seemed to be a mantra, yet illegal immigration has gone (source: Migration Observatory)

• 2018: ~300
• 2019: ~1,800
• 2020: ~8,500
• 2021: ~28,500
• 2022: ~45,700 (Peak year)
• 2023: ~29,400
• 2024: ~36,800
• 2025: ~41,500

We don't speak about our non membership Schengen and Dublin Accord agreements though, do we?

Then there's the trade deals. 'Oven ready' was touted. How's that gone?

Have you tried recently to get into the Eurozone on passport control? I have. It's no longer 'straight through', but hours of queueing and nausea.

How about our economy? You do know that our balance of trade has slumped due to massive restrictions in to and out of the Eurozone, don't you? We are a 'third party trader' now, no better or worse than say, India or Brazil. And stuff that we used to buy cheap from the EU now costs more, so we have to substitute them with inferior products from overseas and other poor, unreliable imports. Our agriculture industry (now being battered by Labour taxes) is on it's knees and we are no better off being 'out' than 'in', if anything, considerably worse.

Yeah, we have a surplus in services, but that market is volatile and less robust that goods where we have a serious deficit.

Productivity is down, unemployment up, inflation not optimal for the size of GDP.

Yes, we had massive issues with the EU. But you are far better inside an organisation being influential than you are outside it slowly dying. Conservative estimates put the loss to the economy at between 6-8%, meaning that me and you are about £2700-£3800 worse off, £80bn of lost tax revenue (OBR and Stanford)

Of course, you will tell me the successes (and please leave out 'we don't get told what to do by 'faceless EU bureaucrats' because I will ask you who your last MEP was and if you voted for him or her to represent you in the European Parliament)

 

[ATL Recs]

Thank you I certainly am.
But no street parties for me i am quite magnanimous in Victory.
Although i do get a strange satisfaction that even after 10 years people are still blaming Brexit for all the things wrong with this country.

Well since Brexit our GDP has fallen 6%

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Well, on reflection, it's not exactly coated us in honey, has it?

What was it? £350m we'd save per week and shove into the NHS? How's that going?

'Take back control' seemed to be a mantra, yet illegal immigration has gone (source: Migration Observatory)

• 2018: ~300
• 2019: ~1,800
• 2020: ~8,500
• 2021: ~28,500
• 2022: ~45,700 (Peak year)
• 2023: ~29,400
• 2024: ~36,800
• 2025: ~41,500

We don't speak about our non membership Schengen and Dublin Accord agreements though, do we?

Then there's the trade deals. 'Oven ready' was touted. How's that gone?

Have you tried recently to get into the Eurozone on passport control? I have. It's no longer 'straight through', but hours of queueing and nausea.

How about our economy? You do know that our balance of trade has slumped due to massive restrictions in to and out of the Eurozone, don't you? We are a 'third party trader' now, no better or worse than say, India or Brazil. And stuff that we used to buy cheap from the EU now costs more, so we have to substitute them with inferior products from overseas and other poor, unreliable imports. Our agriculture industry (now being battered by Labour taxes) is on it's knees and we are no better off being 'out' than 'in', if anything, considerably worse.

Yeah, we have a surplus in services, but that market is volatile and less robust that goods where we have a serious deficit.

Productivity is down, unemployment up, inflation not optimal for the size of GDP.

Yes, we had massive issues with the EU. But you are far better inside an organisation being influential than you are outside it slowly dying. Conservative estimates put the loss to the economy at between 6-8%, meaning that me and you are about £2700-£3800 worse off, £80bn of lost tax revenue (OBR and Stanford)

Of course, you will tell me the successes (and please leave out 'we don't get told what to do by 'faceless EU bureaucrats' because I will ask you who your last MEP was and if you voted for him or her to represent you in the European Parliament)

I'm really grateful for the changes to 'funny road signs' that we were able to reclaim.

 

[Shawy24]

Thank you I certainly am.
But no street parties for me i am quite magnanimous in Victory.
Although i do get a strange satisfaction that even after 10 years people are still blaming Brexit for all the things wrong with this country.

Victory? FFS. Well done you.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Thought general chat was bad enough

 

[lepton blade]

Every economic indicator (OBR, OECD, ONS). going will tell you Brexit has been a catastrophic failure. This is fact.

Still a least we have our blue passports (made in Poland).

 

[CamelBlade]

Well since Brexit our GDP has fallen 6%

Oh dear Remainer lies again!!!

 

[Snowflake]

Well, on reflection, it's not exactly coated us in honey, has it?

What was it? £350m we'd save per week and shove into the NHS? How's that going?

'Take back control' seemed to be a mantra, yet illegal immigration has gone (source: Migration Observatory)

• 2018: ~300
• 2019: ~1,800
• 2020: ~8,500
• 2021: ~28,500
• 2022: ~45,700 (Peak year)
• 2023: ~29,400
• 2024: ~36,800
• 2025: ~41,500

We don't speak about our non membership Schengen and Dublin Accord agreements though, do we?

Then there's the trade deals. 'Oven ready' was touted. How's that gone?

Have you tried recently to get into the Eurozone on passport control? I have. It's no longer 'straight through', but hours of queueing and nausea.

How about our economy? You do know that our balance of trade has slumped due to massive restrictions in to and out of the Eurozone, don't you? We are a 'third party trader' now, no better or worse than say, India or Brazil. And stuff that we used to buy cheap from the EU now costs more, so we have to substitute them with inferior products from overseas and other poor, unreliable imports. Our agriculture industry (now being battered by Labour taxes) is on it's knees and we are no better off being 'out' than 'in', if anything, considerably worse.

Yeah, we have a surplus in services, but that market is volatile and less robust that goods where we have a serious deficit.

Productivity is down, unemployment up, inflation not optimal for the size of GDP.

Yes, we had massive issues with the EU. But you are far better inside an organisation being influential than you are outside it slowly dying. Conservative estimates put the loss to the economy at between 6-8%, meaning that me and you are about £2700-£3800 worse off, £80bn of lost tax revenue (OBR and Stanford)

Of course, you will tell me the successes (and please leave out 'we don't get told what to do by 'faceless EU bureaucrats' because I will ask you who your last MEP was and if you voted for him or her to represent you in the European Parliament)

Much of the voting related to the burgeoning bureaucracy in the EU.
Our leaving has triggered a massive change in Germany, Italy and France removing the concerns that many here had.
It was not all about the economy and probably never intended to be.
Far too complex for us mere mortals to discuss on a football forum !!

 

[CamelBlade]

Well, on reflection, it's not exactly coated us in honey, has it?

What was it? £350m we'd save per week and shove into the NHS? How's that going?

'Take back control' seemed to be a mantra, yet illegal immigration has gone (source: Migration Observatory)

• 2018: ~300
• 2019: ~1,800
• 2020: ~8,500
• 2021: ~28,500
• 2022: ~45,700 (Peak year)
• 2023: ~29,400
• 2024: ~36,800
• 2025: ~41,500

We don't speak about our non membership Schengen and Dublin Accord agreements though, do we?

Then there's the trade deals. 'Oven ready' was touted. How's that gone?

Have you tried recently to get into the Eurozone on passport control? I have. It's no longer 'straight through', but hours of queueing and nausea.

How about our economy? You do know that our balance of trade has slumped due to massive restrictions in to and out of the Eurozone, don't you? We are a 'third party trader' now, no better or worse than say, India or Brazil. And stuff that we used to buy cheap from the EU now costs more, so we have to substitute them with inferior products from overseas and other poor, unreliable imports. Our agriculture industry (now being battered by Labour taxes) is on it's knees and we are no better off being 'out' than 'in', if anything, considerably worse.

Yeah, we have a surplus in services, but that market is volatile and less robust that goods where we have a serious deficit.

Productivity is down, unemployment up, inflation not optimal for the size of GDP.

Yes, we had massive issues with the EU. But you are far better inside an organisation being influential than you are outside it slowly dying. Conservative estimates put the loss to the economy at between 6-8%, meaning that me and you are about £2700-£3800 worse off, £80bn of lost tax revenue (OBR and Stanford)

Of course, you will tell me the successes (and please leave out 'we don't get told what to do by 'faceless EU bureaucrats' because I will ask you who your last MEP was and if you voted for him or her to represent you in the European Parliament)

Yawn. Cut and pasted from the Remainer play book.

 

[I should coco]

Well since Brexit our GDP has fallen 6%

I voted remain (mainly for my business), but I wasn't bothered either way. I'd agree that it hasn't been handled well, but our GDP has NOT fallen 6%. I assume you are misquoting the recent Bank of England analysis that estimated a 6% hit to GDP over the 10 years; i.e. our total growth from 2016 to 2026, is 6% less than it might have been.

Growing less, is most certainly not the same as falling.

Anyhow, as you were, and back to the name calling.

 

[BazWainwright]

Yawn. Cut and pasted from the Remainer play book.

Not at all. It's freely available to pull up on the internet and collated by people wiser than you and me.

Tell you what. Why don't YOU tell everyone how Brexit has benefited the UK and how economically, commercially, fiscally and security-wise more better off we are as a result of leaving a well-established economic bloc.

I'll wait here ...

 

[BazWainwright]

Much of the voting related to the burgeoning bureaucracy in the EU.

And you can only deal with that when you are 'in the club' rather than being 'out of the club'

Our leaving has triggered a massive change in Germany, Italy and France removing the concerns that many here had.

So, 'great idea ... let's leave an economic bloc to affect change in other countries whilst worsening our own economy'. Have I got that right?

It was not all about the economy and probably never intended to be.

So what was it about, exactly? Us not 'being told what to do by faceless EU mandarins'? Small boats? What, exactly?

Far too complex for us mere mortals to discuss on a football forum !!

That being the case, why vote, then?

 

[BazWainwright]

Oh dear Remainer lies again!!!

So how much has it risen by, then?

Still waiting ...

 

[SUFC Guy]

There's so many political experts on here

To Brexit - to not Brexit. Immigrants in - Immigrants out. Tax this - don't tax that. Green energy in - no, fossil fuels in. Labour out - Reform in.

It matters not one jot if the goverment is not up to the task.

 

[Upton_Blade]

So how much has it risen by, then?

Still waiting ...

UK GDP has grown by 12.1% since 2016 (ONS)

The 6% figure that's is regularly quoted is due to a reasonable estimate that UK GDP would have grown by circa 18% were it not for Brexit.

So yes GDP has risen but not by as much as it should have.

 

[alcoblade]

We don't speak about our non membership Schengen and Dublin Accord agreements though, do we?

Actually, the Dublin accord is often raised. And then it's pointed out that more people were sent TO the UK than FROM the UK as a result of the Dublin accord, and they don't mention is again..........for a while.

 

[BazWainwright]

UK GDP has grown by 12.1% since 2016 (ONS)

The 6% figure that's is regularly quoted is due to a reasonable estimate that UK GDP would have grown by circa 18% were it not for Brexit.

So yes GDP has risen but not by as much as it should have.

So in real terms, it's a drop in GDP.

If you were meant to make 100% on an investment by a particular date and made 50%, you have lost 50% of that growth.

 

[Dkc]

At least we still have good old British curved bananas in our supermarkets and not the straight versions that the faceless Brussels bureaucrats were trying to force on us.

If victory has a taste it is banana flavoured

 

[Rodley]

I voted remain (mainly for my business), but I wasn't bothered either way. I'd agree that it hasn't been handled well, but our GDP has NOT fallen 6%. I assume you are misquoting the recent Bank of England analysis that estimated a 6% hit to GDP over the 10 years; i.e. our total growth from 2016 to 2026, is 6% less than it might have been.

Growing less, is most certainly not the same as falling.

Anyhow, as you were, and back to the name calling.

But growing 6% less is a bit disastrous really.

I do look around at how the high streets (and the country at large) has deteriorated this last 10 years and wonder whether 6% more growth would have been useful. But you can’t say owt these days, sadly.

 

[I should coco]

So in real terms, it's a drop in GDP.

If you were meant to make 100% on an investment by a particular date and made 50%, you have lost 50% of that growth.

There is nothing 'real" about it. It's a forecast of what we MIGHT have grown by.

 

[The Hobott]

So in real terms, it's a drop in GDP.

If you were meant to make 100% on an investment by a particular date and made 50%, you have lost 50% of that growth.

was any of that a result of covid or net zero?

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Well, on reflection, it's not exactly coated us in honey, has it?

What was it? £350m we'd save per week and shove into the NHS? How's that going?

'Take back control' seemed to be a mantra, yet illegal immigration has gone (source: Migration Observatory)

• 2018: ~300
• 2019: ~1,800
• 2020: ~8,500
• 2021: ~28,500
• 2022: ~45,700 (Peak year)
• 2023: ~29,400
• 2024: ~36,800
• 2025: ~41,500

We don't speak about our non membership Schengen and Dublin Accord agreements though, do we?

Then there's the trade deals. 'Oven ready' was touted. How's that gone?

Have you tried recently to get into the Eurozone on passport control? I have. It's no longer 'straight through', but hours of queueing and nausea.

How about our economy? You do know that our balance of trade has slumped due to massive restrictions in to and out of the Eurozone, don't you? We are a 'third party trader' now, no better or worse than say, India or Brazil. And stuff that we used to buy cheap from the EU now costs more, so we have to substitute them with inferior products from overseas and other poor, unreliable imports. Our agriculture industry (now being battered by Labour taxes) is on it's knees and we are no better off being 'out' than 'in', if anything, considerably worse.

Yeah, we have a surplus in services, but that market is volatile and less robust that goods where we have a serious deficit.

Productivity is down, unemployment up, inflation not optimal for the size of GDP.

Yes, we had massive issues with the EU. But you are far better inside an organisation being influential than you are outside it slowly dying. Conservative estimates put the loss to the economy at between 6-8%, meaning that me and you are about £2700-£3800 worse off, £80bn of lost tax revenue (OBR and Stanford)

Of course, you will tell me the successes (and please leave out 'we don't get told what to do by 'faceless EU bureaucrats' because I will ask you who your last MEP was and if you voted for him or her to represent you in the European Parliament)

So you are saying if we had stayed in the EU I would be £2700-£3800 better off ?

 

[Rodley]

was any of that a result of covid or net zero?

It is the Bank of England attributing the loss of growth from Brexit. Other matters like COVID are already within the growth (or otherwise) figure which is being “adjusted”.

 

[Upton_Blade]

So in real terms, it's a drop in GDP.

If you were meant to make 100% on an investment by a particular date and made 50%, you have lost 50% of that growth.

I wasn't arguing either for or against Brexit as it's pointless on this forum.

I was responding to a post that GDP had "fallen by 6%". It hasn't. It's 6% lower than a forecast, which is never set in stone.

My own personal opinion is if you look back to before the vote and the predictions/forecasts from both sides IMHO we haven't seen anything like the successes anywhere that Vote Leave were claiming but on the other side of the coin it's nowhere near the armageddon that Vote Remain were claiming so my complete honest opinion is that it has been a bit of a waste of time all round and we should have stayed.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Well since Brexit our GDP has fallen 6%

How do you know 100% that it wouldn't have fallen 6% if we had stayed in the EU.