Police "Safety Grounds" rubbish

[Borbokisfreekick]

Sorry if this has already been discussed before, but how come the SY Police seem to be the only police force in England that get their knickers in a twist over safety when it comes to allocating the away fans tickets and segregation.

How is it that we have to have a huge amount of space between the home and away fans, and even restrict the number of tickets for a given stand on so called "safety concerns"???

For instance when the pigs came to the lane in 2011 we only gave them 4,500 tickets for a stand/area that could house 7,500. Are they telling us the stand would crumble if it was filled to capacity?? Now this weekend they've given Forest less than the full amount, prompting them to supposedly buy tickets in the home end.

On top of that they then net off blocks of seats restricting our own fans potential to buy tickets.

Look at the following clubs segregation:

Chelsea - there is literally two rows of seats between home and away fans in the same stand
Arsenal - same again, two rows of seats and a plexy glass wall between home and away fans, even for their derby games with Spurs!
Man United - they let in 10,000+ away fans for Cup games
Man city - again hardly any space between home and away fans
Liverpool - about two rows between fans
Pigs - allow 6,500-7000 in the away end

And what about this the other year between Newcastle and Sunderland!

I can only assume its due to the following:

- The club are still under probation and are being punished for trouble in the 2003 season as well as incidents in 2008 in the Cup vs City.
- The club or Police force aren't willing to spend the money to pay for extra police / stewards to monitor the segregation - however, the extra ticket income would surely offset this.

Whats the point in saying our stadiums capacity is 32,500, when in reality, for big games its more like 29,000 because we're not allowed to sell the bloody tickets!

Rant over

Would love to get an insight or input from anyone involved in the police or who has any knowledge.

 

[madeinsheffield]

Didn't Man Citeh fill it out a couple of seasons ago, including the corner stand, I suspect the Police say what they want to suit their argument, mmm sounds familiar

 

[Jack Jarvis Esquire ⚔]

mate from what I hear forest fans have bought tickets in the south stand G AND H BLOCK let them have their fun for 1 or maybe 2 seconds then bye bye SCABBY CUNTS they will sorted out by either the SYP or the BBC now I don't condone violence but this is my argument to anyone who disagrees with footie hooligans now for most games they are usually trouble free and folks can enjoy the game and go home for big games like this with opposing fans in home sections if you took your nippers and away fans in home areas started acting like nobs and all the normal fans just sit then letting it continue who would you rely on to to put a stop to it SYP (of course)but they don't they just sit and film it or the hooligans I know who I would choose

 

[Jack Jarvis Esquire ⚔]

mate from what I hear forest fans have bought tickets in the south stand G AND H BLOCK let them have their fun for 1 or maybe 2 seconds then bye bye SCABBY CUNTS they will sorted out by either the SYP or the BBC now I don't condone violence but this is my argument to anyone who disagrees with footie hooligans now for most games they are usually trouble free and folks can enjoy the game and go home for big games like this with opposing fans in home sections if you took your nippers and away fans in home areas started acting like nobs and all the normal fans just sit then letting it continue who would you rely on to to put a stop to it SYP (of course)but they don't they just sit and film it or the hooligans I know who I would choose

 

[Northyorksblade]

Sigh

 

[metalblade]

Probably South Yorkshire's finest just want an easy life as usual. As for the incidents after the cup game with Citeh that was entirely down to City fans coming into the south stand to have a pop at the BBC, SYP were conspicuous in their absence that day it was the Programme sellers who copped for the shit and got the bollocking next week for fighting (sorry SUFC it was never in my job description or H&S risk assessment that I would be used as a buffer between opposing fans intent on kicking shit out of each other) bad stewarding and the absence of plod were entirely to blame. A sad fact of life that SYP can't afford any more bad press, got to be the worst police force in the country. And the SUFC stewards are just as bad.

 

[broomhillblade]

mate from what I hear forest fans have bought tickets in the south stand G AND H BLOCK let them have their fun for 1 or maybe 2 seconds then bye bye SCABBY CUNTS they will sorted out by either the SYP or the BBC now I don't condone violence but this is my argument to anyone who disagrees with footie hooligans now for most games they are usually trouble free and folks can enjoy the game and go home for big games like this with opposing fans in home sections if you took your nippers and away fans in home areas started acting like nobs and all the normal fans just sit then letting it continue who would you rely on to to put a stop to it SYP (of course)but they don't they just sit and film it or the hooligans I know who I would choose

You have just proved the correlation between lack of punctuation and stupidity.

 

[Borbokisfreekick]

Just to clarify, I'm not criticizing the club over this, was just wondering why the rules are so different for us when compared to the clubs I listed.

 

[Jack Jarvis Esquire ⚔]

You have just proved the correlation between lack of punctuation and stupidity.

ok then mate I admit im abit thick sorry for not having a PhD in the punctuation area are you going to the game Sunday and if so are you taking the kids, grandkids etc. if so if you are sat in the south stand will you be one of those who cries to the stewards or will you take action yourself.

 

[Sirius]

Just to clarify, I'm not criticizing the club over this, was just wondering why the rules are so different for us when compared to the clubs I listed.

I may be way off the mark here. I have never seen the safety certificate for the Lane,does it not state how many supporters can attend and limit the numbers in specific areas? Is this the reason why there appear to be exclusion zones, or are United being dictated to by SYP?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

mate from what I hear forest fans have bought tickets in the south stand G AND H BLOCK let them have their fun for 1 or maybe 2 seconds then bye bye SCABBY CUNTS they will sorted out by either the SYP or the BBC now I don't condone violence but this is my argument to anyone who disagrees with footie hooligans now for most games they are usually trouble free and folks can enjoy the game and go home for big games like this with opposing fans in home sections if you took your nippers and away fans in home areas started acting like nobs and all the normal fans just sit then letting it continue who would you rely on to to put a stop to it SYP (of course)but they don't they just sit and film it or the hooligans I know who I would choose

The BBC are pathetic cunts, I don't think anyone would want their kids near them either.

 

[The Glasshouse Blade]

I agree with the original post, why are we penalised? I saw a similar thread on BM and its was addressed FAO Rooks but he didn't even answer such is his ignorance.
This needs sorting as the last derby with the pigs was unbelievable, pig fans in the top tier segregated against themselves in little square pockets of seats.
We are not only losing attendance figures we are losing hundreds of thousands in gate revenue.

 

[Woodwaaard]

Rooks: "Such is his ignorance",
because he didn't answer a BM post?
Do me a favour Bob.............

 

[Junior Soduko]

There is more chance of platting piss than any forest fans actually sitting on the south stand or any stand for that matter.

SUFC have already contacted those forest fans who had already bought a ticket in the home end and refunded their money. They will now I assume be cross referencing every single ticket sale against its customer database to highlight new customers/non-sheffield postcodes. They will then perform further due diligence on these new customers/erroneous post codes to establish their allegiances and act accordingly once they have this information.

This is just another sign of how thick some people actually are. Forest could have sold their allocation twice over. Their up in arms about not getting more tickets. I know, we'll buy a ticket in the home end. Good for them, however what I'll then do is advertise this fact over numerous publicly viewable forums. Yeah because it's not as though neither SUFC NFFC or SYP are going to get wind of this is it. THICK is one heck of an understatement.

And don't get me started on all this our mob is better than your mob bollocks. If you want to fight, then go ahead, i'll walk the other way. But use your brains, don't do it in or near the ground. You'll get nicked or get caught on CCTV and then get nicked.

 

[highpeakblade]

I am all for the introduction of an ADSA (all dickhead standing area) in the ground. Rip out a few hundred seats and allow the numpty hooligans their own personal area of segregation to fill their boots away from the proper fans. Put a personal disclosure on each and every ticket shurking any responsibility and let them go in and kick ten layers of crap out of eachother. It could be a sort of last man standing thing with the remaining standing getting nicked and lifetime bans.

A win / win if you ask me! Us proper supporters can get on with our football without them hassling us, and they are got rid of in the long run

On a serious note. It's all heavy handed but blame it on the nobs who ruin it for everyone else. I've been to a good few rugby matches in my time and have sat in a stand mixed with both fans and have had nothing but a great laugh and a good bit of banter without any hassle what so ever. Different kettle of fish.

 

[Hartley Hare]

You have just proved the correlation between lack of punctuation and stupidity.

Yes, there is a correlation - makes you think all those hours studying really did save me from a life of stupidity.

 

[broomhillblade]

And another thing - this 'Scabs' nonsense. Most of the players and many of the Forest fans weren't born when the Miners' Strike was on.

The last time we played Forest there was a 5-year-old kid in front of me with his dad. The child was screaming 'scabs' at the Forest team whilst his dad looked approvingly at his son. The child couldn't possibly know why he was shouting 'scabs' but he had obviously been told to do so by his (not-too-bright) father.

I find it very sad. Time to put it to bed and move on.

 

[bornablade]

And another thing - this 'Scabs' nonsense. Most of the players and many of the Forest fans weren't born when the Miners' Strike was on.

The last time we played Forest there was a 5-year-old kid in front of me with his dad. The child was screaming 'scabs' at the Forest team whilst his dad looked approvingly at his son. The child couldn't possibly know why he was shouting 'scabs' but he had obviously been told to do so by his (not-too-bright) father.

I find it very sad. Time to put it to bed and move on.

How many people who sing about the Boxing Day Massacre were born before December 26th 1979?

For all those Blades who were there that day this game should always be remembered until we inflict a similar or bigger defeat on those from S6.
The Bobby Davison double / the Michael Brown screamer were brilliant nights but still not enough to put to rest the events of that day. I thought when we were 3-0 up at half time the other year the opportunity was there but it eneded up 3-2.

There are some things in history you cannot forget.

 

[Rodders]

I am all for the introduction of an ADSA (all dickhead standing area) in the ground.

Same here, I can get my shopping done at the same time. Parking might be an issue though.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

ok then mate I admit im abit thick sorry for not having a PhD in the punctuation area are you going to the game Sunday and if so are you taking the kids, grandkids etc. if so if you are sat in the south stand will you be one of those who cries to the stewards or will you take action yourself.

Personally, I'd much rather get into a fight in front of my young son. In fact I'd encourage him to join in - as a rite of passage, like.

 

[Grecian2000]

ok then mate I admit im abit thick sorry for not having a PhD in the punctuation area are you going to the game Sunday and if so are you taking the kids, grandkids etc. if so if you are sat in the south stand will you be one of those who cries to the stewards or will you take action yourself.

FAO Bob Havenhand.

You know what you were saying in the Morgs/Garner thread about the most stupid posts . . . . . .

 

[mattbianco1]

mate from what I hear forest fans have bought tickets in the south stand G AND H BLOCK let them have their fun for 1 or maybe 2 seconds then bye bye SCABBY CUNTS they will sorted out by either the SYP or the BBC now I don't condone violence but this is my argument to anyone who disagrees with footie hooligans now for most games they are usually trouble free and folks can enjoy the game and go home for big games like this with opposing fans in home sections if you took your nippers and away fans in home areas started acting like nobs and all the normal fans just sit then letting it continue who would you rely on to to put a stop to it SYP (of course)but they don't they just sit and film it or the hooligans I know who I would choose

I see you are 26 and therefore, 4yrs younger than the miners strike.

 

[mattbianco1]

Sorry if this has already been discussed before, but how come the SY Police seem to be the only police force in England that get their knickers in a twist over safety when it comes to allocating the away fans tickets and segregation.

It's not just the SYP though is it. Wherever you go when you share a stand with the home supporters it's the same. Bristol City for example. Massive red net accross a full column of seats with stewards all the way down either side.

And i'm sure the SYP can be forgiven for getting their "knickers in a twist" about safety. Especially with what happened in the not too distant past involving a game between our opponents on Sunday and a team on the west side of the country.

Man United - they let in 10,000+ away fans for Cup games

You have to give at least 15% of overall capacity to the away team for FA Cup games. MUFC has a ground that holds ~78k. 15% of that is ~12k.

That's not MUFC being more generous than SUFC, they are merely adhering to the rules set out by the FA.

 

[broomhillblade]

How many people who sing about the Boxing Day Massacre were born before December 26th 1979?

For all those Blades who were there that day this game should always be remembered until we inflict a similar or bigger defeat on those from S6.
The Bobby Davison double / the Michael Brown screamer were brilliant nights but still not enough to put to rest the events of that day. I thought when we were 3-0 up at half time the other year the opportunity was there but it eneded up 3-2.

There are some things in history you cannot forget.

For those of us of a 'certain age', we don't have to worry about the Boxing Day Massacre.
We saw the Blades beat the Owls 7 - 3.

To be honest, I knew very little about the BDM at the time. I was living thousands of miles away, enjoying Boxing Day under an African sun. Maybe if I had witnessed it I would be as mentally scarred as some still seem to be.

 

[The Glasshouse Blade]

Rooks: "Such is his ignorance",
because he didn't answer a BM post?
Do me a favour Bob.............

The reason I say that is because normally Rooks posts on there under is own real name and normally answers posts to him, but on this one he didn't which shows theres a silence around this.

 

[Foxy]

The reason I say that is because normally Rooks posts on there under is own real name and normally answers posts to him, but on this one he didn't which shows theres a silence around this.

As he does on here. It's something he does off his own back however and a little harsh to expect him to answer every question, especially when its often a question that has nothing to do with him.

Not answering a question doesn't really equate to "ignorance" in my opinion.

 

[Rodders]

As he does on here. It's something he does off his own back however and a little harsh to expect him to answer every question, especially when its often a question that has nothing to do with him.

Not answering a question doesn't really equate to "ignorance" in my opinion.

He might have also recently bought a PC from Len..

 

[broomhillblade]

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

If you're asking Foxy to introduce a longer period of time to allow you to edit or delete posts, I agree. But it doesn't belong here.

 

[Borbokisfreekick]

It's not just the SYP though is it. Wherever you go when you share a stand with the home supporters it's the same. Bristol City for example. Massive red net accross a full column of seats with stewards all the way down either side.

And i'm sure the SYP can be forgiven for getting their "knickers in a twist" about safety. Especially with what happened in the not too distant past involving a game between our opponents on Sunday and a team on the west side of the country.



You have to give at least 15% of overall capacity to the away team for FA Cup games. MUFC has a ground that holds ~78k. 15% of that is ~12k.

That's not MUFC being more generous than SUFC, they are merely adhering to the rules set out by the FA.

I don't think you can compare what happened in 1989 to now. That was a different situation and a different ground. Bramall lane is nothing like Hillsbrough (and the Leppings Lane) in 1989. All I'm saying is how come it seems to be a lot stricter at our ground than others.

At least at Bristol City the fans are in the same stand, tier etc.

In terms of MUFC, what I meant is that they don't have any problem with a large allocation and a small amount of segregation, and they have 70,000+ in the stadium. We will have less than 30,000 and are having problems in giving forest 6000 tickets, and didn't give Wednesday more than 4,500 in 2011.

Maybe it is the money of having to employ more police and more stewards.